Prison?

[AndStilliRise]

What was release day like from prison? The week leading up to it, the night before and your expectations?

Were you greeted by a familiar face, what was the weather like and did you go straight home?

[Ayahuasca]

AndStilliRise said:

What was release day like from prison? The week leading up to it, the night before and your expectations?

Were you greeted by a familiar face, what was the weather like and did you go straight home?

Met by a beautiful girl in a stolen diplomatic car, goes to collect vintage Aston Martin and is taken to a party in a flat filled by scores of scantily-clad beautiful models?

[Algarve]

If you'd not seen a woman in years and this lady was put on your block... would you have a go?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...

[Ayahuasca]

Algarve said:

If you'd not seen a woman in years and this lady was put on your block... would you have a go?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...

Did she have man bits or lady bits?

[johnwilliams77]

Badda said:

Appreciate that.

Telling me to 'fk off' isn't going to stop me voicing my opinions in a civilised manner I'm afraid Chebble. Life doesn't tend to work like that, it makes you just look a bit belligerent and aggressive rather than able to discuss things .

So you call people brown nosers and then tell people to stop saying troll! Pot kettle black....

What does that make you? A hypocrite.

[anonymous-user]

TVR - I have another I would like to put across.

Do you consider yourself a gambling addict?

The reason I ask is that I'm curious if you think this type of analogy that people have made applies to shifting weight, in your opinion?

If so, do you have to actively do any sort of group therapy to mitigate the chances of you indulging in your compulsions to take risks? (Whatever those risks may be)

[vikingaero]

Ayahuasca said:

Algarve said:

If you'd not seen a woman in years and this lady was put on your block... would you have a go?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...

Did she have man bits or lady bits?

In every prison all the female officers, female healthcare, female drug addiction workers, female mental health workers etc will be chatted up rotten. And that's just by the slutty male prison officers! The Prison Service is incredibly incestuous, probably slightly less so than The Police Force.

The prisoners will slowly target the female workers. Each person will share snippets of information to build up a bigger picture: She likes the colour blue, She drives a blue Fiesta, She went shopping at the weekend. She bought some blue lingerie. She split up with her boyfriend. The prisoners have nothing to lose, plenty of time to think about how to snare them and all the time in the world to try it on. Every female will be wk banked by the prisoners.

And there are guys inside who will sell blowjobs and sex for tobacco. 1/2 an ounce for a blowjob. An ounce for sex etc. Where prisons have gone smoke-free the currency will be other items. Whilst it sounds disgusting to us, I heard one one prisoner made a fortune when he sold sex because his moobs gave the illusion of breasts when he gave blowjobs.

[Captain Smerc]

Algarve said:

If you'd not seen a woman in years and this lady was put on your block... would you have a go?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...

No

[Ayahuasca]

vikingaero said:

And there are guys inside who will sell blowjobs and sex for tobacco. 1/2 an ounce for a blowjob. An ounce for sex etc.

How many ounces of tobacco did you manage to accumulate?

[Taita]

Ayahuasca said:

How many ounces of tobacco did you manage to accumulate?

Did you go from 10 a day to 30?

[Badda]

I see

[38911]

FFS Chebble / Badda, Turn it in, both of you - STFU or ps off elsewhere with your bickering.

[Chebble]

38911 said:

FFS Chebble / Badda, Turn it in, both of you - STFU or ps off elsewhere with your bickering.

Chebble said:

Anyway, I’m going to stop derailing what is an otherwise interesting thread, because I don’t want to be responsible for it’s closure.

[E24man]

TVR Moneypit said:

E24man said:

Without involving the completely pointless comparison of the two crimes, what was it that made you decide to become involved in your venture presumably knowing full well that the penalties should you be caught would be so high to both yourself and your family?

Of course I don't mind you, or anyone else asking questions, any questions, although there are some that I can not or will not answer. I hope that you can understand that?

I left school at 14, practically uneducated, totally unqualified, and virtually illiterate.

The venture allegedly started off by a bunch of like minded, small independents, fed up of poor service, poor quality and high prices from their suppliers, pooling their resources to form a cooperative in order to increase purchasing power and influence over suppliers.

From there, things just snowballed, mainly through a lot of hard work and constant reinvestment into the business so that the business always had sufficient purchasing power.

A lot of guys in the drugs game are pretty short sighted with awful customer service skills, (and its your customers who pay your wages). When customers find suppliers that make the purchasing of stock easy for them, the stock is of good quality, and of the correct weight, (we'd never compete on price alone), then they tend to remain loyal.

So to perhaps answer your question simply, where else would I, unqualified as I was, have had the opportunity to do the role, (Operations Manager so to speak, allegedly), that I did?

Edited by TVR Moneypit on Monday 30th October 11:54

First of all, thank you again for your answer and honesty, but as with your previous answer to my question regarding the wider implications and damage to society of the drug distribution you were undertaking you seem to be once again missing the morality of the law-breaking nature of your actions.

It is easily proven that a poor educational level in itself does not necessarily lead to a life of crime but in your answer above you don't address any notion of your awareness of the penalties of the actions you decided to undertake, in advance of your pursuing them.

In short, did you ever think, 'this is wrong' and then also think of what would be the effects upon those who love, care and depend upon you, should you be caught and fully prosecuted?

As another small aside, your description of the 'why' you got into this business, by your own admission as a person who was fed up with 'poor sevice, poor quality and high prices', leads me to ask how long in the making was your transformation from fed up user to succesful distributor? When did you start taking the drugs you came to distribute and how long was it before your group was then distributing them yourselves?

Edit to add; Did you get both your cars fixed succesfully?

[Ted2]

I've just consumed several and read this entire and entertaining thread from your first posting since being released.

TVR Moneypit said:

Well, I said I answer your questions after I've finished bleeding the bleedin' brakes. The bad news is that the cars fought me all day long, (1 job turns into 5 more). The goods news is the reply to your question. Make yourself a brew, it's going to be a long one.

Here's some of the things I noticed in the few months leading up to my arrest;

I'd met someone down south in a Toby Carvery type place for a chat. We were sat in a quiet corner of the boozer and not long after we got there a couple in their late 40's came in and sat a couple of tables away from us. After a couple of minutes I'd clocked that they just didn't 'belong'. Something wasn't right. They just didn't go together, but not in the way that they would have done if they'd had a row. We changed the topic of conversation from work to last nights football, ate our food and left to go somewhere else to talk. A few days later I was in a Tesco in the Midlands getting s few things for tea before driving home, and who should I clock following me around the supermarket but the same couple who'd sat a couple of tables away from me a few days ago in a boozer 100 miles away. They hadn't even bothered to change their clothes

I was followed to Manchester and back by a black Leon Cupra outgoing and a dark grey one on the way back. On my way back my driving was definitely enough to get me pulled. I was varying my speed between Driving Miss Daisy and a last grasp Quali Lap, driving around in circles and doubling back on myself, but the dark grey Leon was always a dozen car I lengths behind me.

The old couple next door to me sadly passed away within a couple of days of each other, which meant that there house was empty for a while whilst their children argued over their estate. This is relevant as I used to make my calls whilst walking around my back garden. Imagine my surprise when one afternoon whilst out in my back garden I heard s huge crash coming from the (empty) next door neighbours. I popped round to have a look, none of their kids cars on the road or the driveway, no sign of life inside the house. Looking through the un-used evidence, I found photos of me walking around my back garden that could only have been taken from the attic side window of next door.

I'd taken my baby daughter for a walk in her pram around some local woods with my mother, and left my car parked down on the lane. At the end of the walk I jogged ahead of my mother and daughter to go and unlock the car and move it so that both rear doors could be opened. Just as I got to my car, a biggish bloke with a beard screeched to a halt next to me in a white Mitsubishi Shogun, demanding abruptly to know where I'd been. After I'd replied "what the fk has it got to do with you copper", he took one look at my mother walking around the corner pushing my daughter in her pram and sped off.

Another time I was at a meeting in a liitle place in Southern Holland, sat outside a bar in the main village having a drink, a meal and a chat, I couldn't help noticing that the two fellas on the table opposite were far more interested in us than they were in their soft drinks.

One of the other guys had one of his safe houses broken into, but nothing, not a thing was stolen. Needless to say, the sweeper picked up several signals, but no bugs were found.

One days whilst cleaning one of the cars some random guy in Lycra on a pushbike pulled up faining interest in the empty house next door, and wanted to come through to my back garden to have a look at next doors back garden. He got a fk off tablet.

On our way back into the UK through Dover on our way back from holiday there was a guy waving the wife and I into the shed to be searched. Some other guy came running over to him, said something to him, and HMRC guy one stepped back and waved us through instead of into the searching shed

Right, erm, what was your question?

Yes, that's it. Why didn't I walk away? Why didn't I abort the mission?

When you've (allegedly) worked with a bunch if guys for a considerable as amount of years, you feel a sense of duty and loyalty towards them. To have walked away, to have cashed my chips in, that would have been letting my comrades down.

As for aborting the mission, I believe I answered that in depth on my post where I describe the moment when I got arrested.

Forgive me for being rather blunt here but in one of your earlier posts you claimed to have excellent OPSEC and could easily spot suspicious stuff that no 'normal' person would notice ("always hyper vigilant, noticing or at least looking out for things that a lot of people won't see"), yet despite several MONTHS of evidence that you were being tailed you decided to ignore it all and carry on with business as usual!

And if that alone were not bad enough, you KNEW 100% that you were being tailed enroute to your RV but despite being completely clean yourself at that point (ie. nothing on you or your vehicle, so you could've simply turned around and driven back home) you decided to lead the LE right to the fking RV and not only get yourself banged up but also the other guy who wasn't even in the picture up until that point!

Yeah, I'm sure he appreciated the "sense of duty and loyalty" from you there, right?

I'm not going to judge you on your activities as I may or may not have been involved in one or two capers myself in the distant past but I can fairly confidently say the only reason you got away with it for so long was because LE are absolutely useless at covert surveillance and/or they knew exactly what was going on but needed one of you to make the connection to the cartel so were deliberately holding off making any arrests. It was certainly nothing to do with your vigilance (or lack thereof) !

What I don't understand is that you said once you'd clocked them you said you drove evasively, driving in "convulted" directions in an attempt to lose them but you couldn't shake them. Unless the LE are even more retarded than I'm giving them credit for this simply doesn't make sense because by doing that it would alert the LE that you're onto them and I would expect they'd call off the pursuit so as to not jeopardise the operation.

I don't believe there was any tracking device on your car and turning off cell masts is pure fantasy. I think that's just your imagination running a bit wild. From what you said they didn't even know where the RV was until you physically stopped and got out and I highly doubt that they'd have the carrier on speed dial to shut the masts down in that vicinity in the short time frame that followed! It's just pie in the sky nonsense. Given that your OPSEC was basically non-existent (by your own admission in ignoring obvious signs you were being tailed) and also it sounds like you believed you had a sizeable network of "trusted" friends, in my opinion it's much more likely that one of them couldn't keep their mouth shut and got picked up early on in the operation. The LE would have given him the option of Big Time or be a rat. He chose the rat option (obviously) and they've been following you around ever since whilst you were blissfully unaware. (This could have been the accountant guy that you mentioned)

You deserved the 6 years you did, but not for doing coke, but for being so monumentally stupid in ignoring your instincts when stuff didn't feel right. Always trust your instincts! You did not and you may as well have been waving a big flag at LE with "come and get me" written on it. As for your comments about loyalty and friendships - no no no no! There is no loyalty or friends in crime. You involve other people and you increase your chances of doing time ten-fold. Everyone will tell you that you can trust them and they'd never rat on you but for 99.9% of them that goes straight out of the nearest window when LE says "tell us who your supplier is or you're doing life inside and will never see your woman or kids again outside these walls". Such things tend to have a nasty habit of focusing one's mind a little...

Do keep up your prison diary as it's been a good read thus far. Maybe make a Blogspot for it like 2p did so it's all in one place? It's rather tiresome trying to keep up with it here amidst the endless frothing and self-righteous finger-wagging from Badda and a select few others.

[WindyCommon]

“LE”...?

[hondafanatic]

WindyCommon said:

“LE”...?

Best I could come up with was Law Enforcement, but I'm just guessing.

[AndStilliRise]

Ted2, bit harsh. He did say that they thought they were smarter than the plod and SOCA. Compliancy does bring in errors into all process.

[FiF]

AndStilliRise said:

Ted2, bit harsh. He did say that they thought they were smarter than the plod and SOCA. Compliancy does bring in errors into all process.

Presumably you meant complacency.

To be fair to all parties, something that was drummed into me in an earlier life, "If situational awareness leads you to feel something is wrong, then chances are something is wrong, just that you may not have spotted it yet. When you've clocked it, then whatever *it* is determines further actions pretty much above all else."

Either the watchers had contempt thinking the targets were a bit stupid and were therefore themselves cocky and complacent, or deliberately trying to rattle cages, or of course they were just a bit (lot) st at their job. Proper watchmen wouldn't have been clocked so easily.

[hyphen]

Ted2 said:

As for your comments about loyalty and friendships - no no no no! There is no loyalty or friends in crime. You involve other people and you increase your chances of doing time ten-fold. Everyone will tell you that you can trust them and they'd never rat on you but for 99.9% of them that goes straight out of the nearest window when LE says "tell us who your supplier is or you're doing life inside and will never see your woman or kids again outside these walls". Such things tend to have a nasty habit of focusing one's mind a little...

So what is your story then?