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123DWA said:
I think you need to cut back on your Daily Mail intake. County Lines dealers are dealing in the real nasty stuff like crack & heroin. Cannabis is not profitable enough nor addictive enough for the dealers you describe. I'm not saying they don't sell it, but it would be as a sideline to Class A's. Nobody is smoking a joint and then going to shoplift meat from the co-op to get another hit.
As a side note, why is County Lines so prevalent in the news recently when its been going on for 20+years?
What experience do you have of drugs out of interest? Mine is from real world experience as you can see. Modern dope is high in THC, which is what makes it so dangerous, and addictive...As a side note, why is County Lines so prevalent in the news recently when its been going on for 20+years?
Dr Tom Freeman said:
.... Director of the Addiction and Mental Health Group at the University of Bath “As the strength of cannabis has increased, so too has the number of people entering treatment for cannabis use problems. More Europeans are now entering drug treatment because of cannabis than heroin or cocaine.”
And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it. carlo996 said:
And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it.
Aye - one kid I know who took a THC cried all of the water out of his body. Just imagine how his mother felt. It's a f
king disgrace. carlo996 said:
What experience do you have of drugs out of interest? Mine is from real world experience as you can see. Modern dope is high in THC, which is what makes it so dangerous, and addictive...
And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it.
My experience is real world also. The high THC you mention, most stuff kicking around in the 90's was anywhere around 11-14% THC. Today, your local street dealer will have weed that is around 17-20% THC level so not a huge uplift. There is weed out there that is up to 27% THC but its not easy to find if you want it & is usually imported from USA or Spain so sells for a premium and unlikely to bought by a 'man in the street'. Its also pretty rare to find a dealer that sells everything, generally speaking they either deal in weed & pills (i.e weekend drugs for occasional recreational users) or they deal in Class A's. The latter is the county lines dealer you mention.And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it.
The gateway thing isn't strictly accurate as it is incredibly rare to be physically addicted to cannabis like you can be with Class A's, you can become psychologically addicted to cannabis & suffer some nasty withdrawal symptoms when you stop but that's not going to lead you to shoplifting or pawning your nans jewellery for your next fix.
As I said in my last post, I'm sure they do sell it from county lines trap houses but its not what they're earning money from. Imagine you're opening a sandwich shop, you might sell some 'cakes' alongside your 'sandwiches' in case anyone fancies a cake after their sandwich but you're earning your money from sandwiches and most of your customers only want a Sandwich. I hope that analogy makes sense.
I hope this doesn't come off as argumentative as its really not, just the way you portrayed it was like the Hollywood dramatized version of what goes on in my experience.
Cotty said:
That was my view and my doctor agreed. I did a lot of investigating and the main ingredients are propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine. Propylene glycol is used as a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable, and topical formulations. Vegetable glycerine is used in food, cosmetics, and pharmaceuticals. Both are deemed safe for use by humans. The other parts are nicotine and flavouring, nicotine is found in plants in the Nicotiana species of the Solanaceae family like tomatos.
In the UK any juice being made has to pass strict tests to confirm it is safe for use. an example https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0887/2952/files/...
Of course that all goes to st if you buy cheap crap from China and you don't know what crap they are putting in the juice.
Interestingly, the main ‘smoke’ producing ingredients (the propylene glycol or vegetable glycerine) are the same as used in theatrical smoke machines used in theatres/ concerts/ TV etc. That’s deemed safe for us to inhale - though obviously you’re not sucking directly on the output! But those of us who work in the industry end up inhaling a fair amount of it. There’s no flavourings in it, which may increase the risk level of vapes, or obviously nicotine.In the UK any juice being made has to pass strict tests to confirm it is safe for use. an example https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0887/2952/files/...
Of course that all goes to s
t if you buy cheap crap from China and you don't know what crap they are putting in the juice.Edited by Cotty on Monday 19th February 09:04
More pertinent to the topic I’m an ex smoker who now vapes, though not the massive cloud producing variety - even as a vaper I think that’s pretty antisocial. Smoked for about 10 years before shifting to vapes.
Vapes were introduced to get people off smoking from memory, now they’re being taken up by kids/people who’ve never smoked. Strange.
I don’t know anyone who buys ‘straights’ now - they all roll their own, which no-one I knew ever did back in the 80s/90s/00s when I smoked, only old men and students did cos they couldn’t afford 20 B&H or on a night out, Camel!
I don’t know anyone who buys ‘straights’ now - they all roll their own, which no-one I knew ever did back in the 80s/90s/00s when I smoked, only old men and students did cos they couldn’t afford 20 B&H or on a night out, Camel!
bodhi said:
carlo996 said:
And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it.
Aye - one kid I know who took a THC cried all of the water out of his body. Just imagine how his mother felt. It's a f
king disgrace. 
TheJimi said:
bodhi said:
carlo996 said:
And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it.
Aye - one kid I know who took a THC cried all of the water out of his body. Just imagine how his mother felt. It's a f
king disgrace. The discussion at the moment is whether use causes it, or triggers a n already present condition.
I've worked with people suffering from this condition. It's a very, very difficult task.
Blib said:
TheJimi said:
bodhi said:
carlo996 said:
And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it.
Aye - one kid I know who took a THC cried all of the water out of his body. Just imagine how his mother felt. It's a f
king disgrace. The discussion at the moment is whether use causes it, or triggers a n already present condition.
I've worked with people suffering from this condition. It's a very, very difficult task.
uk66fastback said:
Vapes were introduced to get people off smoking from memory, now they’re being taken up by kids/people who’ve never smoked. Strange
It was developed from an idea originally on how to administer medicinal cannabis to patients in the early 00s. A Chinese pharmacist took the idea to develop the e-cigarette as an additional means of nicotine delivery rather than a replacement to traditional means. Flimsy patents and a lack of regulatory control allowed it to become this vastly popular thing to such a point that 'vaping' is now a collective noun to describe any number of products and methods and types yet is still seen by many as a singular activity and one associated with anti-social and nefarious behaviour. Tarring it all with the same brush is neither fair, helpful accurate. It is by far the safest means of enjoying the effect of nicotine and if done properly, the least invasive to society. Obviously the safest option is no nicotine at all. But then that also applies to caffeine and alcohol. As kids turn into teenagers and then into adults, these pleasures are tried as they always have been so vaping sits along side other things on the 'rite-of-passage' list.
As for people taking it up who never smoked, I would think this is a ridiculously small number of people.
I stopped 10 years ago, smoked 20 a day prior to that. I still miss it and if I am lucky enough to find one I like to follow a smoker down the street to pick up some second hand smoke!
I would smoke again tomorrow if I could afford it and if I didn't have a child. If I have a diagnosis of something bad, I will be straight back on them to help me on my way.
I stopped instantly using Champix. I have heard that has now been withdrawn from prescription, is that true? It was a nasty drug but it worked for me!
I would smoke again tomorrow if I could afford it and if I didn't have a child. If I have a diagnosis of something bad, I will be straight back on them to help me on my way.
I stopped instantly using Champix. I have heard that has now been withdrawn from prescription, is that true? It was a nasty drug but it worked for me!
TheJimi said:
I was laughing at Bodhi's response - which I assume to be facetious, not at the issues you describe.
It was indeed 
A riff on Brass Eye in response to particularly hysterical poster. Cannabis Psychosis is indeed a growing problem, however having been around smokers and enjoyed it myself since the uni days, I'd lean more towards it triggering existing conditions. Some people (including Mrs Bodhi) shouldn't smoke the stuff I'll happily admit - but a proper support network will help stop that. It's those without that smoking alone who are the concern imo.
blingybongy said:
Firstly I stopped 4 years ago after 40 years of loving every tab I had. I used Champix and to be honest never craved a smoke from the day I stopped. I miss it every day but don't want/crave a smoke as I know I'd be hooked again immediately.
Anyway, are there any smokers left because I very rarely see one. There is a cigarette bin outside where I work and it used to need emptying regularly it now hasn't been emptied for many months. I live within 100 yards of 3 pubs and never see the huddled masses outside.
I do see many vapers particularly the school kids on their way to and from school so it's obviously the new smoking.
So, do you still smoke?
It's strange, because despite not knowing anyone in my friends, family, or personal circle who smoke, I work with loads of people who still smoke, and I still see loads of people who smoke after work outside the pubs and bars (London, legal and property professionals).Anyway, are there any smokers left because I very rarely see one. There is a cigarette bin outside where I work and it used to need emptying regularly it now hasn't been emptied for many months. I live within 100 yards of 3 pubs and never see the huddled masses outside.
I do see many vapers particularly the school kids on their way to and from school so it's obviously the new smoking.
So, do you still smoke?
I have never smoked myself, ever, but weirdly I like the smell of cigarette smoke. I love the smell of Cigars.
TheJimi said:
Blib said:
TheJimi said:
bodhi said:
carlo996 said:
And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it.
Aye - one kid I know who took a THC cried all of the water out of his body. Just imagine how his mother felt. It's a f
king disgrace. The discussion at the moment is whether use causes it, or triggers a n already present condition.
I've worked with people suffering from this condition. It's a very, very difficult task.
My mistake.
StevieBee said:
uk66fastback said:
Vapes were introduced to get people off smoking from memory, now they’re being taken up by kids/people who’ve never smoked. Strange
It was developed from an idea originally on how to administer medicinal cannabis to patients in the early 00s. A Chinese pharmacist took the idea to develop the e-cigarette as an additional means of nicotine delivery rather than a replacement to traditional means. Flimsy patents and a lack of regulatory control allowed it to become this vastly popular thing to such a point that 'vaping' is now a collective noun to describe any number of products and methods and types yet is still seen by many as a singular activity and one associated with anti-social and nefarious behaviour. Tarring it all with the same brush is neither fair, helpful accurate. It is by far the safest means of enjoying the effect of nicotine and if done properly, the least invasive to society. Obviously the safest option is no nicotine at all. But then that also applies to caffeine and alcohol. As kids turn into teenagers and then into adults, these pleasures are tried as they always have been so vaping sits along side other things on the 'rite-of-passage' list.
As for people taking it up who never smoked, I would think this is a ridiculously small number of people.
uk66fastback said:
Well, kids are going straight onto vaping so we're told, without them even lighting up a red Embassy, and they make up a fair percent of the population ... so hardly ridiculously small.
Its thought around 4 percent of teens vape:https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...
Compared to teen smoking rates not so long ago, and the comparative harm between smoking and vaping, I'd say that's a massive improvement.
Edit// Teen smoking rates are down at about 3%, from 30 back in 1996 .
https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/public...
Edited by bodhi on Tuesday 12th March 14:33
uk66fastback said:
StevieBee said:
uk66fastback said:
Vapes were introduced to get people off smoking from memory, now they’re being taken up by kids/people who’ve never smoked. Strange
It was developed from an idea originally on how to administer medicinal cannabis to patients in the early 00s. A Chinese pharmacist took the idea to develop the e-cigarette as an additional means of nicotine delivery rather than a replacement to traditional means. Flimsy patents and a lack of regulatory control allowed it to become this vastly popular thing to such a point that 'vaping' is now a collective noun to describe any number of products and methods and types yet is still seen by many as a singular activity and one associated with anti-social and nefarious behaviour. Tarring it all with the same brush is neither fair, helpful accurate. It is by far the safest means of enjoying the effect of nicotine and if done properly, the least invasive to society. Obviously the safest option is no nicotine at all. But then that also applies to caffeine and alcohol. As kids turn into teenagers and then into adults, these pleasures are tried as they always have been so vaping sits along side other things on the 'rite-of-passage' list.
As for people taking it up who never smoked, I would think this is a ridiculously small number of people.
But yes, that's an issue. Although, me and my mates were buying singles under the counter from a mate's brother who worked at the corner shop when we were 14 so I guess it's the same but with the word 'e' in front of it
TheJimi said:
bodhi said:
carlo996 said:
And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it.
Aye - one kid I know who took a THC cried all of the water out of his body. Just imagine how his mother felt. It's a f
king disgrace. 
carlo996 said:
TheJimi said:
bodhi said:
carlo996 said:
And as you would know, why would these scumbags be dealing high content THC dope...as a gateway to their other crap. There is no defending any of it really. You're deluded if you think a casual joint doesn't have a high cost to others lives behind it.
Aye - one kid I know who took a THC cried all of the water out of his body. Just imagine how his mother felt. It's a f
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