How much do you earn?

[SystemParanoia]

If i had a solution, i wouldn't be moaning...

I'd be on £100k+ working from home and life would be perfect.

[limpsfield]

SystemParanoia said:

If i had a solution, i wouldn't be moaning...

I'd be on £100k+ working from home and life would be perfect.

I bet you would still whinge on here that the world has got it in for you.

[SystemParanoia]

limpsfield said:

I bet you would still whinge on here that the world has got it in for you.

Of course it doesnt.. it doesnt care about me in the slightest.

If i want a door to open, my only choice is to break it down with my bare bloody fists.
Hence me actively attempting to do that with online learning portals.. but its not quick.

In the mean time, i cant get vocal at work as ill just be labelled an 'angry aggressive black guy' and be managed out
but anyone else voices the same thing and its "go you! you're fiesty!"

so i'll bh and moan here instead, and keep up the persona of being a very positive approachable person whilst at work.

[Monkeylegend]

limpsfield said:

SystemParanoia said:

If i had a solution, i wouldn't be moaning...

I'd be on £100k+ working from home and life would be perfect.

I bet you would still whinge on here that the world has got it in for you.

To be fair to SP, I would probably feel like moaning if I was expected to do all that for £16k gross pa.

Mind you I would also have found myself another job.

There is an old Management cliché we used to operate at my last paid employment, "Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions"

It made people think before running to me with issues they were paid to deal with but expected me to solve for them.

[SystemParanoia]

Monkeylegend said:

limpsfield said:

SystemParanoia said:

If i had a solution, i wouldn't be moaning...

I'd be on £100k+ working from home and life would be perfect.

I bet you would still whinge on here that the world has got it in for you.

To be fair to SP, I would probably feel like moaning if I was expected to do all that for £16k gross pa.

Mind you I would also have found myself another job.

There is an old Management cliché we used to operate at my last paid employment, "Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions"

It made people think before running to me with issues they were paid to deal with but expected me to solve for them.

Im only there as prior to starting here is was out of work for 4months... so the savings have run dry and this place has been a lifeline ( any port in a storm )

But now im not a risk of losing my home, i can see that i'm being taken for a ride especially as im seeing others in the office do far less for circa £10k more.

I'll be leaving as soon as a better offer comes along, but at the same time i'm trying to build bridges to allow me to come back relatively easily should i be down on my luck again.

[B'stard Child]

g3org3y said:

J4CKO said:

mcg_ said:

Enough to pay half of the £48 a month it costs to insure our dog.

Keep reminding the misses to ring up and ask why it's so high.

Is that fully comp, perhaps drop it to Furred Party ?

Deserves recognition.

+1 Agreed but just in case a PH'r had already quoted it I waited till I'd caught up with the thread

[Caddyshack]

I don't think any of us will want to say on an open forum, the high earners are sticking their necks out and the low earners may feel belittled by it, how about (OP) you ask for everyone to pm you and then you do an anonymous result table to show how many in what bracket, maybe have a sanity check where they say what they do as some school kids / dreamers are going to give silly numbers I expect.

[B'stard Child]

Caddyshack said:

I don't think any of us will want to say on an open forum, the high earners are sticking their necks out and the low earners may feel belittled by it, how about (OP) you ask for everyone to pm you and then you do an anonymous result table to show how many in what bracket, maybe have a sanity check where they say what they do as some school kids / dreamers are going to give silly numbers I expect.

He could have easily just created a poll with some salary ranges - responses would be anonymous

[djc206]

SystemParanoia said:

Im only there as prior to starting here is was out of work for 4months... so the savings have run dry and this place has been a lifeline ( any port in a storm )

But now im not a risk of losing my home, i can see that i'm being taken for a ride especially as im seeing others in the office do far less for circa £10k more.

I'll be leaving as soon as a better offer comes along, but at the same time i'm trying to build bridges to allow me to come back relatively easily should i be down on my luck again.

Offers don’t just come along. But anyway why are you allowing yourself to be take for a ride? If others are doing far less for far more you need to take your complaint to your management and ask for pay commensurate with the tasks they’re expecting you to complete. I don’t think even the worst paid member of office staff in the company I work for pays that badly and you clearly have IT skills that another employer possibly elsewhere in the country would pay good money for. It’s up to you to find that employer if yours doesn’t want to play ball and pay fairly though.

[Monkeylegend]

SystemParanoia said:

Monkeylegend said:

limpsfield said:

SystemParanoia said:

If i had a solution, i wouldn't be moaning...

I'd be on £100k+ working from home and life would be perfect.

I bet you would still whinge on here that the world has got it in for you.

To be fair to SP, I would probably feel like moaning if I was expected to do all that for £16k gross pa.

Mind you I would also have found myself another job.

There is an old Management cliché we used to operate at my last paid employment, "Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions"

It made people think before running to me with issues they were paid to deal with but expected me to solve for them.

Im only there as prior to starting here is was out of work for 4months... so the savings have run dry and this place has been a lifeline ( any port in a storm )

But now im not a risk of losing my home, i can see that i'm being taken for a ride especially as im seeing others in the office do far less for circa £10k more.

I'll be leaving as soon as a better offer comes along, but at the same time i'm trying to build bridges to allow me to come back relatively easily should i be down on my luck again.

I wasn't criticising if that's what you thought, I admire anyone who does what is necessary to keep a roof over their heads. Good luck with the job search

[CoolHands]

I think if he was out of work prior to this then fair enough, otherwise most of us would be thinking what’s the point for 16k. Get your head down, do it, and while you’re working look for a better role.

[SystemParanoia]

djc206 said:

Offers don’t just come along.

Of course not, im not just sitting on my hands this job WAS the offer that i managed to obtain!

djc206 said:

But anyway why are you allowing yourself to be take for a ride? If others are doing far less for far more you need to take your complaint to your management and ask for pay commensurate with the tasks they’re expecting you to complete. I don’t think even the worst paid member of office staff in the company I work for pays that badly

Im in month 3 of a 6 month probation, I do not have a position of any-sort of power to negotiate from.
I do feel im being held to a higher standard than the old guard, but thats ok, i meet or exceed all and leave them with nothing to criticise me about.

Also key processes to my role have completely changed at least twice since i've started meaning my automation attempts have been broken before i could deploy them.

If i'm still there in three months and i pass my probation to be offerd a permanent contract, i will negotiate at that point as i have documented everything i have done over and above what is required of me, and many of my little programs/scripts and spreadsheets are still in use that i can demo.

djc206 said:

and you clearly have IT skills that another employer possibly elsewhere in the country would pay good money for. It’s up to you to find that employer if yours doesn’t want to play ball and pay fairly though.

thats the plan!

[mcg_]

MC Bodge said:

mcg_ said:

I think more people have more money than you think

I don't think they do.

I'm a middle earner, as is my wife.

We are both fairly careful with money, but have more than enough, don't scrimp and don't go short. We have a nice house.

The most important thing is that we are not trying to impress anybody (we don't care what other people think about our car, holidays etc), which means that we can save money, can buy things we need and don't need to worry about finding the money for things that crop up eg. Broken domestic appliance.

That's true, I just went on holiday to impress my IG followers. Not to sit on a beach, read a book and eat/drink.

People do earn more than you think.

[Butter Face]

I ask people's incomes as part of credit checking and I'm sometmes suprised how much some people earn for some jobs that you'd not expect and how little some earn for others you'd expect them to earn a lot. If that makes sense

I always just try to earn as much as possible by doing as little as possible. It's served me pretty well.

I could probably go an earn more by doing more but I enjoy what I do and the money it brings.

[djc206]

SystemParanoia said:

djc206 said:

Offers don’t just come along.

Of course not, im not just sitting on my hands this job WAS the offer that i managed to obtain!

djc206 said:

But anyway why are you allowing yourself to be take for a ride? If others are doing far less for far more you need to take your complaint to your management and ask for pay commensurate with the tasks they’re expecting you to complete. I don’t think even the worst paid member of office staff in the company I work for pays that badly

Im in month 3 of a 6 month probation, I do not have a position of any-sort of power to negotiate from.
I do feel im being held to a higher standard than the old guard, but thats ok, i meet or exceed all and leave them with nothing to criticise me about.

Also key processes to my role have completely changed at least twice since i've started meaning my automation attempts have been broken before i could deploy them.

If i'm still there in three months and i pass my probation to be offerd a permanent contract, i will negotiate at that point as i have documented everything i have done over and above what is required of me, and many of my little programs/scripts and spreadsheets are still in use that i can demo.

djc206 said:

and you clearly have IT skills that another employer possibly elsewhere in the country would pay good money for. It’s up to you to find that employer if yours doesn’t want to play ball and pay fairly though.

thats the plan!

I don’t think being on a probationary period should mean you have to accept being shat on from a great height. From your posts it’s clear you are an asset to the company and it would cost them dearly to lose you. An extra few grand is not going to sting to save the hassle of trying to replace you. That in itself is a position of strength from which to negotiate.

Good luck to you and if it’s at all possible look farther afield, there are some great employers paying great wages in this country that are likely waiting for someone with your expertise to apply for one of their vacancies.

I don’t really know exactly what is you do because IT stuff all goes over my head but looking on our recruitment page they’re looking for a software engineer starting salary at least £38.5k + decent pension and 28 days leave.

[p4cks]

I earn just under £40K (who would have thought that poxy job in a call centre when I was 23 and just packed in uni would be the foundation for a pretty easy career in customer services?).

Having said that when I was young I'd chase the money and salary was everything. I used to think that the world owed me a living, then I listened to a motivational speaker talk to all of the managers in a company I was working at and what he said resonated with me and has done ever since. He gave us all a copy of his book which for those interested is about taking yourself out of your comfort zone and resulting in achieving so much more. I recommended the book to my mate who I recognised needed a bit of a nudge to progress his career and he asked me 'but how do I know it'll work' and I told him that although I don't use salary as a measure of success, each year since I read the book and applied the lessons I've been paid more money than the previous year; whether it was a performance related pay increase or a better role elsewhere it resulted in more money and 10 years on I can still say the same thing.

The money is a result of a lot of other things happening which for me is making sure that you deliver the results that your employer wants, and then some. The experience you gain along the way goes a long way to shape what you do in future. Fewer mistakes, better lessons and quicker results.

Going back to the aforementioned book briefly, one sentence stood out for me and that's '... only you decide what goes in the next page of your autobiography'.

[Caddyshack]

The trouble is that £40k is not a lot of money at all when you work out the net pay, whatever we earn we can always earn 10 times more as many people do.

[p4cks]

Caddyshack said:

The trouble is that £40k is not a lot of money at all when you work out the net pay, whatever we earn we can always earn 10 times more as many people do.

Like people have said, it's all relative. For example my mortgage is £160 a month and that allows me to live quite well and own two OK cars, neither of which are financed. Being single helps massively too as I have no one to 'help' me spend my money.


ETA - it might also be worth pointing out that I live in the NE

[anonymous-user]

B'stard Child said:

He could have easily just created a poll with some salary ranges - responses would be anonymous

They come up ever so often.

Oddly people still comment that it’s nobody’s business, even though it’s an anonymous poll.

Loads of people in IT then make comments about how much the claim to earn for tax purposes and how much they really earn.

People also ask for extra earning bands or ask why the top reply is green (their vote) etc

[sparks_E39]

dtmpower said:

That's very admirable. For clarity does the £1000 put away pay for the holidays ?

Not all of it. We have a few day trips here and there and buy a few niceties, otherwise we just keep it in savings. May be slightly exaggerated to say all our money goes on holidays.