Leaving a restaurant without paying

[mrmr96]

10 Pence Short said:

Blackpig2 said:

10 Pence Short said:

Steve748 said:

Report it to the police, if there is CCTV they may be able to see the car

"Sorry sir, It's a civil matter..."

Its actually classed as Bilking, same as if you did a drive off at the pumps.

No, the punter just tells the Police they didn't enjoy the meal and refused to pay for the service.

People stealing fuel don't tend to sample it first...

Sweet. What else can I consume and then refuse to pay for? Can I get my money back at the cinema if I thought the film was bad?

[10 Pence Short]

When do you pay for a film?

[mrmr96]

10 Pence Short said:

When do you pay for a film?

What has the order of events have to do with the principle?

[10 Pence Short]

mrmr96 said:

10 Pence Short said:

When do you pay for a film?

What has the order of events have to do with the principle?

You can't go to a cinema and do a runner without paying. Whether the film is good or not is entirely subjective.

[mrmr96]

10 Pence Short said:

mrmr96 said:

10 Pence Short said:

When do you pay for a film?

What has the order of events have to do with the principle?

You can't go to a cinema and do a runner without paying. Whether the film is good or not is entirely subjective.

Talk about missing the point.

[10 Pence Short]

mrmr96 said:

10 Pence Short said:

mrmr96 said:

10 Pence Short said:

When do you pay for a film?

What has the order of events have to do with the principle?

You can't go to a cinema and do a runner without paying. Whether the film is good or not is entirely subjective.

Talk about missing the point.

I didn't miss the point, you just made a crass one.

[Ow]

mrmr96 said:

10 Pence Short said:

mrmr96 said:

10 Pence Short said:

When do you pay for a film?

What has the order of events have to do with the principle?

You can't go to a cinema and do a runner without paying. Whether the film is good or not is entirely subjective.

Talk about missing the point.

Not talking about getting money back though?
Talking about not paying after you've got the item/food/petrol

Maybe if you paid for the cinema on the way out!

[Jasandjules]

Can't say it is something I would ever even consider. It's simple theft to me.

I don't see "we didn't like the food" as a defence, because for that to stand in my opinion they'd have to have complained about the food and stated that they refused to pay and were leaving. In any event, if you have food and drink, you will be obligated to pay for the drinks even if the food was not acceptable - especially when you've drunk it..... So again, it falls to theft as I see it. Get plod involved, and I hope you took a note of the plate or CCTV caught it.

[mrmr96]

Ow said:

mrmr96 said:

10 Pence Short said:

mrmr96 said:

10 Pence Short said:

When do you pay for a film?

What has the order of events have to do with the principle?

You can't go to a cinema and do a runner without paying. Whether the film is good or not is entirely subjective.

Talk about missing the point.

Not talking about getting money back though?
Talking about not paying after you've got the item/food/petrol

Maybe if you paid for the cinema on the way out!

You are missing the point. My point was about not paying for things if I didn't enjoy them, despite having consumed them. The order of paying/consuming doesn't come into it, apart from the logistics of "doing a runner" vs "taking to court for refund".

[10 Pence Short]

mrmr96 said:

You are missing the point. My point was about not paying for things if I didn't enjoy them, despite having consumed them. The order of paying/consuming doesn't come into it, apart from the logistics of "doing a runner" vs "taking to court for refund".

It's not about 'enjoyment', it's about getting what you paid for.

[mrmr96]

10 Pence Short said:

mrmr96 said:

You are missing the point. My point was about not paying for things if I didn't enjoy them, despite having consumed them. The order of paying/consuming doesn't come into it, apart from the logistics of "doing a runner" vs "taking to court for refund".

It's not about 'enjoyment', it's about getting what you paid for.

Ok, so if I order steak and get steak why do I not have to pay?

[10 Pence Short]

mrmr96 said:

10 Pence Short said:

mrmr96 said:

You are missing the point. My point was about not paying for things if I didn't enjoy them, despite having consumed them. The order of paying/consuming doesn't come into it, apart from the logistics of "doing a runner" vs "taking to court for refund".

It's not about 'enjoyment', it's about getting what you paid for.

Ok, so if I order steak and get steak why do I not have to pay?

If the menu says "Sirloin Steakm cooked to your liking", you ask for it rare and it arrives well done, why should you pay for it?

[barmonkey]

We've no CCTV unfortunately, and I couldn't see the numberplate of the car. It was tempting to phone the Police, but we didn't think they'd be able to do much with a vague description and no reg plate.

I've had people do it by accident before - I went after them but they'd already realised and were on their way back in. I'm convinced this one was deliberate though, as they moved from the dining room into the bar after their meal and sat right by the door. Conveniently positioned for a quick exit I think.

The annoying thing was that a Police traffic car had been sat outside a couple of hours earlier, as the main road outside the pub is a bit of an accident/brainless driving blackspot. If they'd still been there we could've just sent them after the Impreza. Just the way it goes I guess.

[M-J-B]

Years ago when I was out in Spain, rather than paying a bill of £100, I gave the waiter a round £1000 and walked out (very pissed and simply exchange rate confusion!).

As I walked down the street some minutes later I was chased by the waiter who gave me £900 back....

[NiceCupOfTea]

10PS - you're being obtuse! You're deliberately picking a special case. If the menu says "beef lasagne" but it's not very nice, surely that's the same as going to see a film that's rubbish. You've got what you asked for - why are you due a refund?

[10 Pence Short]

NiceCupOfTea said:

10PS - you're being obtuse! You're deliberately picking a special case. If the menu says "beef lasagne" but it's not very nice, surely that's the same as going to see a film that's rubbish. You've got what you asked for - why are you due a refund?

I'm not picking on a special case. If the food is not what you order, you shouldn't have to pay.

If you sit down in a cinema and the film ends half way through, you should get your money back.

Edited by 10 Pence Short on Sunday 6th September 11:49

[Evangelion]

Once when I was having a bad day and my mind was elsewhere I drove out of a petrol station without paying, but having the name of a national driving school plastered all over the car made it easy to trace.

Half an hour later I get a call from my branch manager.

Him: "Hi Evangelion, did you fill up this morning?"

Me: "Ummm ... oh bugger!"

And I went straight back and paid!

[jamoor]

10 Pence Short said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

10PS - you're being obtuse! You're deliberately picking a special case. If the menu says "beef lasagne" but it's not very nice, surely that's the same as going to see a film that's rubbish. You've got what you asked for - why are you due a refund?

I'm not picking on a special case. If the food is not what you order, you shouldn't have to pay.

If you sit down in a cinema and the film ends half way through, you should get your money back.

Edited by 10 Pence Short on Sunday 6th September 11:49

U tit, in the case of a cinema, you are paying to watch the movie, if the movie sound/picture is crap then you haven't gotten what you paid for and are due a refund, you aren't paying for a good movie.

In the case of food, you are paying for food of a reasonable standard and as described, if your food arrives uncooked or is burnt to a crisp, you obviously haven't gotten what you paid for.

[jshell]

10 Pence Short said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

10PS - you're being obtuse! You're deliberately picking a special case. If the menu says "beef lasagne" but it's not very nice, surely that's the same as going to see a film that's rubbish. You've got what you asked for - why are you due a refund?

I'm not picking on a special case. If the food is not what you order, you shouldn't have to pay.

If you eat it all and don't pay then that's theft. If you taste it and return as it's not suitable then that's not theft.

[10 Pence Short]

jshell said:

10 Pence Short said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

10PS - you're being obtuse! You're deliberately picking a special case. If the menu says "beef lasagne" but it's not very nice, surely that's the same as going to see a film that's rubbish. You've got what you asked for - why are you due a refund?

I'm not picking on a special case. If the food is not what you order, you shouldn't have to pay.

If you eat it all and don't pay then that's theft. If you taste it and return as it's not suitable then that's not theft.

I agree. If you eat it all you don't have much of a case for saying you shouldn't pay. If you 'can't' and don't eat it because it isn't what was advertised or is of such poor quality, you should complain at the earliest opportunity and seek redress, either by a replacement or discount.

I've eaten in plenty of restaurants where the food has been awful, the service so bad that there is no chance to complain until the end of the meal and as such haven't paid for it.