Why does a kettle make noise?

Why does a kettle make noise?

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erdnase

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1,963 posts

203 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Zad - clapteacher

GTIR

24,741 posts

268 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Awesome.

R1 Loon

26,988 posts

179 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Thank goodness someone else's kettle makes noise. Mine told me to go out and kill some prostitutes.

Glad to know I'm not alone

davy9449

1,271 posts

221 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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I am suitable amused!!!!

Thanks for the pointless information, it won't help me sleep tongiht but at least I won't rush out and buy a new kettle. Mine is falling to bits. But I love it, it's kind of a friend to me, it keeps me warm at night and settles my tummy. loser
Did I just say that out loud? I'm off...

dgb00

147 posts

272 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Zad said:
Absolute rubbish, no electrolysis happens at all. The bubbles are steam (water vapour). Incidentally, the "steam" you see coming out of the spout is condensed vapour, steam itself is relatively invisible. I can see from your faces that this is news to you all!

The noise is caused because small bubbles of vapour are generated next to the hotplate/element. They then detach and attempt to rise. But, because the rest of the water is <100C the steam condenses and the bubble rapidly implodes, taking a tiny fraction of the gaseous volume. This sends a negative shock wave through the water, and it eventually hits the wall of the kettle causing a n audible 'pop'. Older lower power (and quieter) kettles generated more convection currents which moved the heating water out of the way before vapour could be generated.

As the water heats up, more and more vapour bubbles make it to the surface and escape. This is much more gradual and doesn't generate and sharp shock waves. Hence, a boiling kettle is quieter than a 'hissing' one that is just heating up.

ETA: Why do I know this crap....
Not quite. The bubbles are air dissolved in the water. As the temperature of the water increases, the air is less soluble in the water and comes out of solution. It reflects Henry's Law, which applies if the temperature is constant. It also explains why a warm beer is less fizzy than a cold beer.

I have to know this kind of crap to be an anaesthetist. The effect causes problems with air bubbles in IV lines coming out of solution when we use a fluid warmer.

Silent1

19,761 posts

237 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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dgb00 said:
Zad said:
Absolute rubbish, no electrolysis happens at all. The bubbles are steam (water vapour). Incidentally, the "steam" you see coming out of the spout is condensed vapour, steam itself is relatively invisible. I can see from your faces that this is news to you all!

The noise is caused because small bubbles of vapour are generated next to the hotplate/element. They then detach and attempt to rise. But, because the rest of the water is <100C the steam condenses and the bubble rapidly implodes, taking a tiny fraction of the gaseous volume. This sends a negative shock wave through the water, and it eventually hits the wall of the kettle causing a n audible 'pop'. Older lower power (and quieter) kettles generated more convection currents which moved the heating water out of the way before vapour could be generated.

As the water heats up, more and more vapour bubbles make it to the surface and escape. This is much more gradual and doesn't generate and sharp shock waves. Hence, a boiling kettle is quieter than a 'hissing' one that is just heating up.

ETA: Why do I know this crap....
Not quite. The bubbles are air dissolved in the water. As the temperature of the water increases, the air is less soluble in the water and comes out of solution. It reflects Henry's Law, which applies if the temperature is constant. It also explains why a warm beer is less fizzy than a cold beer.

I have to know this kind of crap to be an anaesthetist. The effect causes problems with air bubbles in IV lines coming out of solution when we use a fluid warmer.
Is there any better feeling than having warmed saline pumped into your body. It's like the worlds best duvet!

Ayahuasca

27,428 posts

281 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Silent1 said:
Is there any better feeling than having warmed saline pumped into your body.
eek

You are George Michael AICMFP.

Silent1

19,761 posts

237 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Ayahuasca said:
Silent1 said:
Is there any better feeling than having warmed saline pumped into your body.
eek

You are George Michael AICMFP.
Saline /=/ semen you troglodyte hehe

erdnase

Original Poster:

1,963 posts

203 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Ayahuasca said:
Silent1 said:
Is there any better feeling than having warmed saline pumped into your body.
eek

You are George Michael AICMFP.
I don't like overusing "lol", but in this case it's deserved and genuine.. have another.. lol smile

SlipStream77

2,153 posts

193 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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dgb00 said:
The bubbles are air dissolved in the water. As the temperature of the water increases, the air is less soluble in the water and comes out of solution. It reflects Henry's Law, which applies if the temperature is constant. It also explains why a warm beer is less fizzy than a cold beer.

I have to know this kind of crap to be an anaesthetist. The effect causes problems with air bubbles in IV lines coming out of solution when we use a fluid warmer.
That's interesting. So in the case of a patient where caisson disease is suspected, would it be recommended to keep their core temperature at a low level until they can be treated?

speedyman

1,526 posts

236 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Ayahuasca said:
Most modern electric kettles are fitted with an alarm that emits a sound in the presence of urine - this could be what you are hearing.
That's called a piss boiler, there are plenty of them on PH

Edited by speedyman on Thursday 30th September 12:26

Neil H

15,323 posts

253 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Zad said:
Absolute rubbish, no electrolysis happens at all. The bubbles are steam (water vapour). Incidentally, the "steam" you see coming out of the spout is condensed vapour, steam itself is relatively invisible. I can see from your faces that this is news to you all!

The noise is caused because small bubbles of vapour are generated next to the hotplate/element. They then detach and attempt to rise. But, because the rest of the water is <100C the steam condenses and the bubble rapidly implodes, taking a tiny fraction of the gaseous volume. This sends a negative shock wave through the water, and it eventually hits the wall of the kettle causing a n audible 'pop'. Older lower power (and quieter) kettles generated more convection currents which moved the heating water out of the way before vapour could be generated.

As the water heats up, more and more vapour bubbles make it to the surface and escape. This is much more gradual and doesn't generate and sharp shock waves. Hence, a boiling kettle is quieter than a 'hissing' one that is just heating up.

ETA: Why do I know this crap....

ndtman

745 posts

183 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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NeMiSiS said:
We have accoustic engineers in work, they basically look for knocks/rattles/road noises and elliminate them using sealer strips/orbseal/foam/lagging etc. They are very technical white coat wearers and will set up masses of equipment to monitor a squeek, that me and you would find/elliminate in 2 mins.
We have just had one of these boffins in the office attempting to use the Vending machine, which is clearly empty and broken, so I called him over to explain the Vending machine was broken, as it says on the front ' Out Of Order.' But while you are here can you tell me why a kettle makes so much noise when boiling water. He looked at me oddly and said, " It will take me far too long to explain to YOU." This coming from a guy who tried to use a broken and empty vending machine made me smirk. But as he turned away he said, " If you put a cupfull of plain fishtank gravel in your kettle enough to cover the elliment, it wont interfere with heating the water and it wont be noisey at all."
Now then these aloof types like to take the pi55, and he was slightly injured from the vending machine 'out of order' quip, but is he right ?
Seem to remember in school putting pieces of pot in beakers whilst doing experiments. I think this was to reduce the shock of the boiling liquid so the above seems plausable. Bet it makes a rancid cup of tea though!

911motorsport

7,251 posts

235 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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NeMiSiS said:
" If you put a cupfull of plain fishtank gravel in your kettle enough to cover the elliment, it wont interfere with heating the water and it wont be noisey at all."
Well I wouldn't accept a cup of tea from him if he offered yuck

Zad

12,716 posts

238 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Strangely, this question got asked on the R5 science phone in last night. Wasn't one of you lot was it? The dissolved gasses are a valid point, but they don't implode like the steam bubbles, so don't make much noise.

Jaykaybi

3,494 posts

223 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Silent1 said:
Ayahuasca said:
Silent1 said:
Is there any better feeling than having warmed saline pumped into your body.
eek

You are George Michael AICMFP.
Saline /=/ semen you troglodytehehe
clap

qube_TA

8,402 posts

247 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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remedy said:
I know this, I know this... I learned it on PH last time...

The oxygen molecules separate from the hydrogen as the temperature increases.
How fantastic would it be if this was true, could run all our cars from tap water then!



cqueen

2,620 posts

222 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Here's another question....



Why is it when you turn the hot tap on, as the temperature of the running water gets hotter, the tone of sound emmitting from the tap changes? (ok it only changes slightly, but enough to notice and puzzle me!).

Edited by cqueen on Thursday 30th September 19:35

qube_TA

8,402 posts

247 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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cqueen said:
Here's another question....



Why is it when you turn the hot tap on, as the temperature of the running water gets hotter, the tone of sound emmitting from the tap changes? (ok it only changes slightly, but enough to notice and puzzle me!).

Edited by cqueen on Thursday 30th September 19:35
For the same reason as the kettle changes sound as the water inside heats up.


erdnase

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203 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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qube_TA said:
For the same reason as the kettle changes sound as the water inside heats up.
The kettle makes noise as it heats up due to water in the vicinity of the element boiling, the bubbles rising and condensing/popping through the cooler water (if I understand what I've read here). I don't get how that can apply to water coming out a tap?