Andrew Tate - The Real World
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What is Abdul trying to convince everyone of? That Romania might not have the most easy going "moral" justice system going? Well colour me surprised. Add it to the list of other parts of the world I wouldn't visit especially if I was a character of dubious moral standing that is likely to cause problems wherever I go.
There are plenty of iffy places in the world you don't want to get arrested in. That he didn't have the sense to realise this was one of them speaks volumes about his intelligence.
Add him to the list of people you just have to wonder, how did they earn so much money when they are that stupid.
There are plenty of iffy places in the world you don't want to get arrested in. That he didn't have the sense to realise this was one of them speaks volumes about his intelligence.
Add him to the list of people you just have to wonder, how did they earn so much money when they are that stupid.
wildoliver said:
What is Abdul trying to convince everyone of? That Romania might not have the most easy going "moral" justice system going? Well colour me surprised. Add it to the list of other parts of the world I wouldn't visit especially if I was a character of dubious moral standing that is likely to cause problems wherever I go.
There are plenty of iffy places in the world you don't want to get arrested in. That he didn't have the sense to realise this was one of them speaks volumes about his intelligence.
Add him to the list of people you just have to wonder, how did they earn so much money when they are that stupid.
I don't disagee with that, except that I'm not trying convince anyone, I just stated my opinion.There are plenty of iffy places in the world you don't want to get arrested in. That he didn't have the sense to realise this was one of them speaks volumes about his intelligence.
Add him to the list of people you just have to wonder, how did they earn so much money when they are that stupid.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
The latter....as stated numerous times.
This is the grand total of everything you have added to the discussion over the course of 5 pages, is that how long it's going to take to make your next point as well?It's probably a good thing that this thread wasn't in NPE otherwise you would have been all over it like a rash from page 1, must be very frustrating to be so late to the party.
Why not watch the BBC documentary in its entirety and tell us how far the needle lifts on your injustice meter regarding the first hand accounts of treatment that several UK women received at your buddy's hands, and what the Hertfordshire police did (or didn't) do about it.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
GT9 said:
This is the grand total of everything you have added to the discussion over the course of 5 pages, is that how long it's going to take to make your next point as well?
In fairness it wasn't me missing the point.
President Merkin said:
The important thing to remember here is everyone in this discussion is stupid & understands nothing, except Abdul.
I'm no expert in Romanian law but a bit of research comes up with 'pre-trial detention' - explained below:
'In Romania, pre-trial detention can be ordered if there are reasonable grounds to believe that a person has committed a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term of at least 5 years, and if there are reasons to believe that the suspect might evade justice, continue to commit crimes, interfere with the investigation, or destroy evidence.
Pre-trial detention can only be ordered by a judge, and it must be reviewed periodically to ensure that it is still necessary. The maximum period of pre-trial detention is usually 24 months, but in some cases, it can be extended to up to 30 months or even 36 months in exceptional circumstances.
It's important to note that pre-trial detention is a measure of last resort, and the authorities must consider other options such as bail, house arrest, or travel restrictions before resorting to detention. The suspect also has the right to challenge the decision to order pre-trial detention and to request its release at any time during the investigation.'
And this is why he is where he is.
'In Romania, pre-trial detention can be ordered if there are reasonable grounds to believe that a person has committed a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term of at least 5 years, and if there are reasons to believe that the suspect might evade justice, continue to commit crimes, interfere with the investigation, or destroy evidence.
Pre-trial detention can only be ordered by a judge, and it must be reviewed periodically to ensure that it is still necessary. The maximum period of pre-trial detention is usually 24 months, but in some cases, it can be extended to up to 30 months or even 36 months in exceptional circumstances.
It's important to note that pre-trial detention is a measure of last resort, and the authorities must consider other options such as bail, house arrest, or travel restrictions before resorting to detention. The suspect also has the right to challenge the decision to order pre-trial detention and to request its release at any time during the investigation.'
And this is why he is where he is.
sinbaddio said:
I'm no expert in Romanian law but a bit of research comes up with 'pre-trial detention' - explained below:
'In Romania, pre-trial detention can be ordered if there are reasonable grounds to believe that a person has committed a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term of at least 5 years, and if there are reasons to believe that the suspect might evade justice, continue to commit crimes, interfere with the investigation, or destroy evidence.
Pre-trial detention can only be ordered by a judge, and it must be reviewed periodically to ensure that it is still necessary. The maximum period of pre-trial detention is usually 24 months, but in some cases, it can be extended to up to 30 months or even 36 months in exceptional circumstances.
It's important to note that pre-trial detention is a measure of last resort, and the authorities must consider other options such as bail, house arrest, or travel restrictions before resorting to detention. The suspect also has the right to challenge the decision to order pre-trial detention and to request its release at any time during the investigation.'
And this is why he is where he is.
This is pre-trial not pre-charge.'In Romania, pre-trial detention can be ordered if there are reasonable grounds to believe that a person has committed a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term of at least 5 years, and if there are reasons to believe that the suspect might evade justice, continue to commit crimes, interfere with the investigation, or destroy evidence.
Pre-trial detention can only be ordered by a judge, and it must be reviewed periodically to ensure that it is still necessary. The maximum period of pre-trial detention is usually 24 months, but in some cases, it can be extended to up to 30 months or even 36 months in exceptional circumstances.
It's important to note that pre-trial detention is a measure of last resort, and the authorities must consider other options such as bail, house arrest, or travel restrictions before resorting to detention. The suspect also has the right to challenge the decision to order pre-trial detention and to request its release at any time during the investigation.'
And this is why he is where he is.
Three years on remand doesn't sound fair...but let's not go down that rabbit hole.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
GT9 said:
This is the grand total of everything you have added to the discussion over the course of 5 pages, is that how long it's going to take to make your next point as well?
In fairness it wasn't me missing the point.Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
A fair post, thanks.
But how long should that process last and should the preparation of the case by the prosecution by completed in the period pre-charge or pre-trial?
My view is that three months is sufficiently long enough for them to gather enough evidence for them to charge him. I also have said that the period pre-charge shouldn't be the used by the prosecution to build their case...this should be done post-charge and pre-trial.
You think it’s OK to charge someone before fully investigating the allegations. Then only after charging them should the police bother to investigate it fully, but still hold the totally innocent person in jail? Sounds morally dubious to me. But how long should that process last and should the preparation of the case by the prosecution by completed in the period pre-charge or pre-trial?
My view is that three months is sufficiently long enough for them to gather enough evidence for them to charge him. I also have said that the period pre-charge shouldn't be the used by the prosecution to build their case...this should be done post-charge and pre-trial.
Edited by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Friday 3rd March 10:45
Sorry, my mistake that’s the British justice system and is therefore perfect and every other country in the world that doesn’t subscribe to this model is doing it wrong.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
This is pre-trial not pre-charge.
Three years on remand doesn't sound fair...but let's not go down that rabbit hole.
Apologies, missed out the first paragraph:Three years on remand doesn't sound fair...but let's not go down that rabbit hole.
'According to the Romanian Criminal Procedure Code, a person can be held in pre-trial detention (in Romanian: arest preventiv) before being charged with a crime, but only under certain conditions.'
Does seem harsh, but he chose to live there I guess.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
JQ said:
What's the difference between :
1. Someone being charged
2. A Judge reviewing all the evidence to date, receiving representations from the defendants lawyers, and then making a decision as to whether they should be detained?
Good question, hopefully we're getting somewhere.1. Someone being charged
2. A Judge reviewing all the evidence to date, receiving representations from the defendants lawyers, and then making a decision as to whether they should be detained?
The main difference is that he is formally accused of a crime.
1. We formally accuse you of such and such crime.
2. We think he committed a crime but we need a bit more time to decide if we are going to accuse him.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
sinbaddio said:
I'm no expert in Romanian law but a bit of research comes up with 'pre-trial detention' - explained below:
'In Romania, pre-trial detention can be ordered if there are reasonable grounds to believe that a person has committed a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term of at least 5 years, and if there are reasons to believe that the suspect might evade justice, continue to commit crimes, interfere with the investigation, or destroy evidence.
Pre-trial detention can only be ordered by a judge, and it must be reviewed periodically to ensure that it is still necessary. The maximum period of pre-trial detention is usually 24 months, but in some cases, it can be extended to up to 30 months or even 36 months in exceptional circumstances.
It's important to note that pre-trial detention is a measure of last resort, and the authorities must consider other options such as bail, house arrest, or travel restrictions before resorting to detention. The suspect also has the right to challenge the decision to order pre-trial detention and to request its release at any time during the investigation.'
And this is why he is where he is.
This is pre-trial not pre-charge.'In Romania, pre-trial detention can be ordered if there are reasonable grounds to believe that a person has committed a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term of at least 5 years, and if there are reasons to believe that the suspect might evade justice, continue to commit crimes, interfere with the investigation, or destroy evidence.
Pre-trial detention can only be ordered by a judge, and it must be reviewed periodically to ensure that it is still necessary. The maximum period of pre-trial detention is usually 24 months, but in some cases, it can be extended to up to 30 months or even 36 months in exceptional circumstances.
It's important to note that pre-trial detention is a measure of last resort, and the authorities must consider other options such as bail, house arrest, or travel restrictions before resorting to detention. The suspect also has the right to challenge the decision to order pre-trial detention and to request its release at any time during the investigation.'
And this is why he is where he is.
Three years on remand doesn't sound fair...but let's not go down that rabbit hole.
He has been determined to be a flight risk by a judge and he is detained on that basis. It is an exceptional situation with high media interest and an individual who has gone some way to do the work of the justice system for them. If you convince a judge you are a risk by telling them you are a risk, I see no issue with the judge then agreeing and detaining you.
You may not like it, but then some of the more simple minded folk also think that whistleblowing is "grassing" etc. The Romanian justice system appears to be working fine.
We would all like to avoid delay and see a definitive conclusion, however, in the meantime he as a risk must be managed. I'm sure they will charge or release him in due course.
Monkeylegend said:
I wouldn’t bet on it.‘A judicial source told The Sun Online: "[Tate] has tried with several medical documents to convince the judges from Bucharest Appeal Court to free him in order to be able to fly to Dubai for further medical investigations regarding his illness discovered on a previous investigation in 2022.
"But the judges established that Mr Tate can be professionally investigated and treated in hospitals from Bucharest.
"In fact, Mr Tate will be medically investigated in one of the best private hospitals from Bucharest."’
I’m glad he will get any and all medical treatment he requires!
The Rotrex Kid said:
Monkeylegend said:
I wouldn’t bet on it.‘A judicial source told The Sun Online: "[Tate] has tried with several medical documents to convince the judges from Bucharest Appeal Court to free him in order to be able to fly to Dubai for further medical investigations regarding his illness discovered on a previous investigation in 2022.
"But the judges established that Mr Tate can be professionally investigated and treated in hospitals from Bucharest.
"In fact, Mr Tate will be medically investigated in one of the best private hospitals from Bucharest."’
I’m glad he will get any and all medical treatment he requires!
To whomever is complaining that the Tates arrest and detention (there are two of them, but they only seem to care about one hence they speak of Tate in the singular) is cruel and unjust.
Do you know what is really cruel and unjust... Human trafficking. Especially human trafficking for the purposes of being forced into sex work.
I'd just thought I'd remind you he wasn't arrested for being the massive, balding, chinless, spineless, gormless, cock-gobbling f
kwit he is, but rather for participation in organised crime, human trafficking and rape.
Do you know what is really cruel and unjust... Human trafficking. Especially human trafficking for the purposes of being forced into sex work.
I'd just thought I'd remind you he wasn't arrested for being the massive, balding, chinless, spineless, gormless, cock-gobbling f
kwit he is, but rather for participation in organised crime, human trafficking and rape. Edited by captain_cynic on Friday 3rd March 17:28
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