So you wake up and are the last person on earth...

So you wake up and are the last person on earth...

Author
Discussion

Rosscow

8,819 posts

165 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
AstonZagato said:
How would you get the car across the Channel?
Well, perhaps he could just walk through the Chunnel and steal a French one, instead smile

Cotty

39,754 posts

286 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
AstonZagato said:
How would you get the car across the Channel?
You drive though the access tunnel in the Channel Tunnel. Its the one in the middle without any rail tracks.

RobM77

35,349 posts

236 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
PanzerCommander said:
Pommygranite said:
Reckon you could spend 6 months on Microsoft Flight Sim learning how to fly a 737/747 and be able to go anywhere in the world?
I'm in the process of learning to fly now and I can confirm that Flight Sim will teach you a) how to get going (if you download one of the mega detailed add ons) and b) how to reach the scene of the accident and your likely death.

PC based Flight sims are great for keeping fresh on checklists, procedures and instrument scanning techniques but not much else. They are good but they are not that good. If you could find a way of running the proper simulators used by BA etc. then you would be in with a shot though, the main issue if you got to that stage would be the maintenance of the facilities to land such an aircraft at as well as getting fuel for them (they do use quite a bit).
I personally don't fly, but I've heard the opposite from a friend of mine who's a commercial airline pilot, who said MFS was very accurate in terms of the flight model, but things like the radio and comms with traffic control centres were simplified. As far as I know MFS is used as the core for many flight simulators.

phil-sti

2,713 posts

181 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
If I was the last person alive I'd go to hollister and turn the lights on.

soad

32,998 posts

178 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
phil-sti said:
If I was the last person alive I'd go to hollister and turn the lights on.

More likely to notice faded and torn clothes...

Watchman

6,391 posts

247 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
AstonZagato said:
How would you get the car across the Channel?
Page 6 onwards in this very thread.

PanzerCommander

5,026 posts

220 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
RobM77 said:
I personally don't fly, but I've heard the opposite from a friend of mine who's a commercial airline pilot, who said MFS was very accurate in terms of the flight model, but things like the radio and comms with traffic control centres were simplified. As far as I know MFS is used as the core for many flight simulators.
That’s not really what I was getting at. You can practice plenty on MSFS/X-Plane (the latter especially). The flight models (especially payware ones) are good and you can practice general flying (the bits between take-off and landing) fairly well. Lots of commercial pilots do use it to practice instrument flying, radio navigation (VOR & NDB) and ILS landing approaches, as do plenty of private pilots.

Knowing what I know now, I wouldn’t feel confident flying a commercial airliner after just putting in the practice on a PC based flight simulator a full motion simulator and I’d give it a go though. Also as the power is likely to be out the radio navigation aids are going to be offline. Ok you can use GPS as the satellites will likely stay operational for quite a while so navigating to and from is doable, but the ILS landing systems will be offline so that is going to mean if it’s not clear weather when you reach the other side of the Atlantic, you are going to have to make sure you have enough fuel to fly to somewhere that will most likely be clear!

Anyway let’s stop letting facts and figures get in the way of a good story smile

Pommygranite

Original Poster:

14,286 posts

218 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
Interesting stuff on MSFS - maybe leave flying unless it's a gyrocopter laugh

What I don't get so much is why there is run to a fight for survival type scenario where building bases, stocking up on supplies, go look for people, and earn caveman skills.

My reasoning is this - you wake up tomorrow and no ones around. Once you get over the shock you're surrounded by supplies whether it's supermarkets, shops, houses, hotels, restaurants. More than enough for the next 50 years on your own. And you can travel not by fortified Landrover but Lamborghini and just rock up and find food in the next town and don't take a damn thing anywhere.

Want to find people!? I dunno, I reckon the autonomy and lack of stress being on your own would be amazing. There's enough stimulation in TV/video/books that you could probably get by ok without anyone else for a long time. I think scouring the world for someone but not finding them would be soul destroying and exhausting. Set fire to a few big buildings if you want to draw attention let them come to you.

Also imagine having an idyllic world with total freedom and finding people who just wind you up and mess with your world and create a new society with all the problems of the current one.

Find a hotel, stay in a fresh bed every night and a clean toilet every day by room hopping.

I can't see everything in the world just degrading in the next 10/15 years. Hell my childhood home from the 70's still stands and it's not like someone is maintaining the exterior brickwork.

I live in Perth Australia so I'm lucky 300 days of the year are sunny, don't need heating or cooling and plenty of solar powered buildings to live in and power everything. Need clean water? Raid camping stores and get filtration tablets/systems. The only bugger is if I want to go and look for people I have to find a safe way off this big bloody island or trek 3/4 days east to Sydney/Melbourne.

Think I'd just stay put.

Me,I'd just chill my beans and enjoy a simple yet bountiful life and just hang out each day reading, watching films, learning fun skills, exercising, fishing and dreaming up a bunch of fun stuff to amuse myself involving fire, machinery, cars, exploring and collecting interesting stuff from interesting places.



Watchman

6,391 posts

247 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
Pommygranite said:
Interesting stuff on MSFS - maybe leave flying unless it's a gyrocopter laugh

What I don't get so much is why there is run to a fight for survival type scenario where building bases, stocking up on supplies, go look for people, and earn caveman skills.

My reasoning is this - you wake up tomorrow and no ones around. Once you get over the shock you're surrounded by supplies whether it's supermarkets, shops, houses, hotels, restaurants. More than enough for the next 50 years on your own. And you can travel not by fortified Landrover but Lamborghini and just rock up and find food in the next town and don't take a damn thing anywhere.

Want to find people!? I dunno, I reckon the autonomy and lack of stress being on your own would be amazing. There's enough stimulation in TV/video/books that you could probably get by ok without anyone else for a long time. I think scouring the world for someone but not finding them would be soul destroying and exhausting. Set fire to a few big buildings if you want to draw attention let them come to you.

Also imagine having an idyllic world with total freedom and finding people who just wind you up and mess with your world and create a new society with all the problems of the current one.

Find a hotel, stay in a fresh bed every night and a clean toilet every day by room hopping.

I can't see everything in the world just degrading in the next 10/15 years. Hell my childhood home from the 70's still stands and it's not like someone is maintaining the exterior brickwork.

I live in Perth Australia so I'm lucky 300 days of the year are sunny, don't need heating or cooling and plenty of solar powered buildings to live in and power everything. Need clean water? Raid camping stores and get filtration tablets/systems. The only bugger is if I want to go and look for people I have to find a safe way off this big bloody island or trek 3/4 days east to Sydney/Melbourne.

Think I'd just stay put.

Me,I'd just chill my beans and enjoy a simple yet bountiful life and just hang out each day reading, watching films, learning fun skills, exercising, fishing and dreaming up a bunch of fun stuff to amuse myself involving fire, machinery, cars, exploring and collecting interesting stuff from interesting places.
Because nuclear power stations.
[/facetious]

seriously... Watch the "Life After People" episode that dealt with nuclear power stations. In the scenario they proposed where people vanished suddenly, they say:

Life After People wiki said:
1 day after people Without any people around to use the electricity they produce, nuclear power plants shut down into a safe mode to avert a possible meltdown of the reactor.

10 days after people Every 18 months the uranium fuel rods in the reactor core stop producing enough energy to sustain a nuclear reaction and must be replaced. When the fuel rods are removed they are dangerously hot, up to 2000 degrees, and must be placed in cooling pools. The fuel rods were kept in these pools for ten years before they could be safely removed. There is actually more radiation contained in the cooling pools than there is in the reactor. It takes 40 feet of water maintained at below 120 degrees to keep the fuel rods from overheating. Now the heat of the fuel rods has boiled all the water away and the fuel rods catch fire and burn. The equivalent of 20 cores worth of radiation is released into the environment and nothing is safe for miles.

1 year after people The areas around nuclear power plants have been devastated. There are now large irradiated dead zones for up to a mile radius around nuclear power plants.

175 years after people The cooling pool fires at nuclear power plants went out long ago and life has returned to the dead zones. The power plants themselves are now structurally unstable. The most iconic structures in a nuclear power plant were the cooling towers. A steel lattice ring at the base supports the 50 foot tall concrete cooling tower but after nearly two centuries of corrosion the steel lattice ring doesn’t have any strength left. The cooling towers now fail at the base and tip over and humanity’s mighty power plants of the future are reduced to rubble.
Although they mention a 1-mile radius around the power plants at 1-year, I would be concerned that a number of them failing all within a similar timescale could lead to more widespread radius.

And I'd stay away from the US for similar reasons. Canada would be OK, and lots of South America would too.

I'd raid a hospital to find their Geiger counter - they must have some way of monitoring X-ray machines and some have departments or labs called "nuclear science". I'd like to have a GC on hand at all times but ultimately I would probably seek to "get out of Dodge" and leave the UK and EU altogether. Central Africa looks like the safest zone (in this regard) although there are vast swathes of Russia and countries immediately south where there aren't any nuclear power stations either.

Pommygranite

Original Poster:

14,286 posts

218 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
Watchman said:
Pommygranite said:
Interesting stuff on MSFS - maybe leave flying unless it's a gyrocopter laugh

What I don't get so much is why there is run to a fight for survival type scenario where building bases, stocking up on supplies, go look for people, and earn caveman skills.

My reasoning is this - you wake up tomorrow and no ones around. Once you get over the shock you're surrounded by supplies whether it's supermarkets, shops, houses, hotels, restaurants. More than enough for the next 50 years on your own. And you can travel not by fortified Landrover but Lamborghini and just rock up and find food in the next town and don't take a damn thing anywhere.

Want to find people!? I dunno, I reckon the autonomy and lack of stress being on your own would be amazing. There's enough stimulation in TV/video/books that you could probably get by ok without anyone else for a long time. I think scouring the world for someone but not finding them would be soul destroying and exhausting. Set fire to a few big buildings if you want to draw attention let them come to you.

Also imagine having an idyllic world with total freedom and finding people who just wind you up and mess with your world and create a new society with all the problems of the current one.

Find a hotel, stay in a fresh bed every night and a clean toilet every day by room hopping.

I can't see everything in the world just degrading in the next 10/15 years. Hell my childhood home from the 70's still stands and it's not like someone is maintaining the exterior brickwork.

I live in Perth Australia so I'm lucky 300 days of the year are sunny, don't need heating or cooling and plenty of solar powered buildings to live in and power everything. Need clean water? Raid camping stores and get filtration tablets/systems. The only bugger is if I want to go and look for people I have to find a safe way off this big bloody island or trek 3/4 days east to Sydney/Melbourne.

Think I'd just stay put.

Me,I'd just chill my beans and enjoy a simple yet bountiful life and just hang out each day reading, watching films, learning fun skills, exercising, fishing and dreaming up a bunch of fun stuff to amuse myself involving fire, machinery, cars, exploring and collecting interesting stuff from interesting places.
Because nuclear power stations.
[/facetious]

seriously... Watch the "Life After People" episode that dealt with nuclear power stations. In the scenario they proposed where people vanished suddenly, they say:

Life After People wiki said:
1 day after people Without any people around to use the electricity they produce, nuclear power plants shut down into a safe mode to avert a possible meltdown of the reactor.

10 days after people Every 18 months the uranium fuel rods in the reactor core stop producing enough energy to sustain a nuclear reaction and must be replaced. When the fuel rods are removed they are dangerously hot, up to 2000 degrees, and must be placed in cooling pools. The fuel rods were kept in these pools for ten years before they could be safely removed. There is actually more radiation contained in the cooling pools than there is in the reactor. It takes 40 feet of water maintained at below 120 degrees to keep the fuel rods from overheating. Now the heat of the fuel rods has boiled all the water away and the fuel rods catch fire and burn. The equivalent of 20 cores worth of radiation is released into the environment and nothing is safe for miles.

1 year after people The areas around nuclear power plants have been devastated. There are now large irradiated dead zones for up to a mile radius around nuclear power plants.

175 years after people The cooling pool fires at nuclear power plants went out long ago and life has returned to the dead zones. The power plants themselves are now structurally unstable. The most iconic structures in a nuclear power plant were the cooling towers. A steel lattice ring at the base supports the 50 foot tall concrete cooling tower but after nearly two centuries of corrosion the steel lattice ring doesn’t have any strength left. The cooling towers now fail at the base and tip over and humanity’s mighty power plants of the future are reduced to rubble.
Although they mention a 1-mile radius around the power plants at 1-year, I would be concerned that a number of them failing all within a similar timescale could lead to more widespread radius.

And I'd stay away from the US for similar reasons. Canada would be OK, and lots of South America would too.

I'd raid a hospital to find their Geiger counter - they must have some way of monitoring X-ray machines and some have departments or labs called "nuclear science". I'd like to have a GC on hand at all times but ultimately I would probably seek to "get out of Dodge" and leave the UK and EU altogether. Central Africa looks like the safest zone (in this regard) although there are vast swathes of Russia and countries immediately south where there aren't any nuclear power stations either.
Interesting. 3 points:

1. Wouldn't there be enough residual 'stuff' using electricity that they wouldn't go into shut down mode? You know traffic lights, building lights, stuff on standby, fridges etc?

2. I couldn't quite work out that it's the replacement of rods that creates the issues and burn up - but if no ones around to remove them wouldn't they happily and safely just stay as they are?

3. I'm in Australia - no nuclear plants - bonza! I'm all good.

Watchman

6,391 posts

247 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
Pommygranite said:
Interesting. 3 points:

1. Wouldn't there be enough residual 'stuff' using electricity that they wouldn't go into shut down mode? You know traffic lights, building lights, stuff on standby, fridges etc?

2. I couldn't quite work out that it's the replacement of rods that creates the issues and burn up - but if no ones around to remove them wouldn't they happily and safely just stay as they are?

3. I'm in Australia - no nuclear plants - bonza! I'm all good.
1. Possibly but there is likely to be secondary safety measures that involve a regular sign-in from real people I'd have thought. At least, I can't imagine a nuclear power station being allowed to continue without human oversight anyway. Stranger things have happened...

2. It's the "spent" rods that are put into cooling pools. The fact that the "live" ones may continue to remain in service (point 1) doesn't obviate the fact that there are already many pools of spent rods currently in a cooling state.

3. No, actually it looks as though you're totally in the clear. Max Max dystopian future for you then. smile

PositronicRay

27,168 posts

185 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
TartanPaint said:
Find a van. Drive to Currys.
Load it up with a cooker, a couple of fridges and many freezers.
Drive to a data center, because they have backup generators.
Unplug all the servers and plug in the appliances.
Fill the freezers with ice cream.
Remove all the ice cream and refill freezers with sensible food.
Keep generators topped up with diesel.
Sit and drink some ice cream while I think what to do next.
Stock up on very old single malts. Borrow F-Type and tour my favourite distilleries, break into the warehouses and help myself.
Back to Camp Freezer for some oven chips and a Zoom lolly.
Stock up on entertainment. Watch every DVD ever, pausing only to make popcorn and top up the generators.
Maybe next week I'll try to form a meaningful relationship with a nice ewe. Ha, you can't judge me, you're all gone!
Freezer thing sounds like a lot of effort to go to. Just nick a freezer lorry.

spitfire-ian

3,854 posts

230 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
Wouldn't going for a drive be a bit difficult with all the abandoned cars everywhere or did the whole of humanity park their cars up before vanishing? Take a look at the next road you see and imagine how difficult it would be to drive along if all the cars just stopped where they were smile

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

230 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
You'd have to get to the female bodies quickly before they got too cold.

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

230 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
spitfire-ian said:
Wouldn't going for a drive be a bit difficult with all the abandoned cars everywhere or did the whole of humanity park their cars up before vanishing? Take a look at the next road you see and imagine how difficult it would be to drive along if all the cars just stopped where they were smile
Some of the new estates near where I live already look like that.

PositronicRay

27,168 posts

185 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
I don't think I'd do the sports car thing, I like to have my stuff around me.

I would want to be warm, comfortable and rural to keep my sprits up.

So I'd borrow a big motorhome (with a big fridge, spare fridge and generator) from the local caravan place, some tools (need to be able to drill diesel tanks, break into places etc) torch's spare batteries, gas bottles load up my dogs and head for the med.

On the other side of the channel (I prefer to drive but can sail and navigate) I'd find another motorhome and re-stock with tools and stuff.

Dried, tinned and long life food stuffs would suffice until I found my nirvana, Southern France, Italy or Spain. I think I'd adjust and be able to cope. I would need to find insulin and keep it chilled, it has a shelf life, which I'd hope I could exceed, no idea how much by however. Eventually my insulin wouldn't work and I'd die. So a few years I'd expect.

Alternatively, I could use my free time to finish the decorating.

Johnspex

4,360 posts

186 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
I haven't read the whole thread but if everyone else just disappeared surely electricity would shut down so how would you fuel a car? Petrol pumps wouldn't work. Fridges would shut down so you'd be left with only tinned and dried food. Also if drivers just disappeared surely the roads, at least in a city, would be crowded with abandoned cars so you'd spend all your time wriggling past those.

I guess you'd just drive a car until it wouldn't go any further through lack of fuel or gridlock and find another.

You couldn't leave the country unless you happened to be an airline pilot who could fly a plane solo and happened to find one on a clear runway and full of fuel.

Rosscow

8,819 posts

165 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
Johnspex said:
I haven't read the whole thread but if everyone else just disappeared surely electricity would shut down so how would you fuel a car? Petrol pumps wouldn't work. Fridges would shut down so you'd be left with only tinned and dried food. Also if drivers just disappeared surely the roads, at least in a city, would be crowded with abandoned cars so you'd spend all your time wriggling past those.

I guess you'd just drive a car until it wouldn't go any further through lack of fuel or gridlock and find another.

You couldn't leave the country unless you happened to be an airline pilot who could fly a plane solo and happened to find one on a clear runway and full of fuel.
Pah! Just suck some fuel out of an abandoned car!

And you could either walk the Channel Tunnel to get to the continent, or my preferred option would be to get to Dover or Ramsgate and find a nice big rib or speed boat and blast over the Channel. Easy!

PositronicRay

27,168 posts

185 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
quotequote all
Johnspex said:
I haven't read the whole thread but if everyone else just disappeared surely electricity would shut down so how would you fuel a car? Petrol pumps wouldn't work. Fridges would shut down so you'd be left with only tinned and dried food. Also if drivers just disappeared surely the roads, at least in a city, would be crowded with abandoned cars so you'd spend all your time wriggling past those.

I guess you'd just drive a car until it wouldn't go any further through lack of fuel or gridlock and find another.

You couldn't leave the country unless you happened to be an airline pilot who could fly a plane solo and happened to find one on a clear runway and full of fuel.
Drill the tanks on cars, lorries for diesel. The channels only narrow, boat or tunnel.

0000

13,812 posts

193 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
quotequote all
I guess there would be a lot of flat batteries given not too much time.