The wet and windy, with occasional snow, 2019/2020 thread
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king what ? High of -8 and snow until 3 pm here .
Without anything to back it up, scientific or otherwise;
Temps have been below average and it has been kin wet. BBC news animations showing pockets of snow inside the wide bands of rain quite far down South and it isn't even mid November.
I might soon have to revise my warm'ish, wet and windy prediction.
Any more news on the models and what long range stuff is showing Pug?
Temps have been below average and it has been kin wet. BBC news animations showing pockets of snow inside the wide bands of rain quite far down South and it isn't even mid November.
I might soon have to revise my warm'ish, wet and windy prediction.
Any more news on the models and what long range stuff is showing Pug?
It was sleeting on my way home last night, or certainly "thick rain". Absolutely bounced it down this morning as well. (Halifax, West Yorkshire). Really feel for the people in South Yorkshire who are flooded out and more rain on the way. Must be a terrible situation. 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50372839
If ever a village had a more unfortunately apt name I haven't seen it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50372839
If ever a village had a more unfortunately apt name I haven't seen it.
Bill said:
RicksAlfas said:
If ever a village had a more unfortunately apt name I haven't seen it.
I was trying to guess what it might be. Sopping or Moistbeyondbelief maybe. But they win. Rainfall map. Figure is % vs normal.
River flow rates, every major Midlands river had exceptionally high flows in October, some approaching 500% of normal.
Puggit said:
colin_p said:
Any more news on the models and what long range stuff is showing Pug?
Things are shaping up, but no absolute clear direction. There is an inching towards northern blocking. A repeat of 2010 era is possible, but not certain. RicksAlfas said:
Really feel for the people in South Yorkshire who are flooded out and more rain on the way. Must be a terrible situation.
Especially for those who are not covered for flood on their insurance.FiF said:
Thing is we could be in more problems in the Midlands too. A lot will depend on exact location of forecast heavy rain. The area has had so much rain that catchment area is saturated, rivers are running very high, and reacting very rapidly to quite small falls of rain.
Rainfall map. Figure is % vs normal.
River flow rates, every major Midlands river had exceptionally high flows in October, some approaching 500% of normal.
A huge worry.Rainfall map. Figure is % vs normal.
River flow rates, every major Midlands river had exceptionally high flows in October, some approaching 500% of normal.
Things appear to be ok here in the Thames Valley for now. We are ok in Maidenhead, which historically used to flood, but due to the Jubilee flood relief river no longer does. But what they've done is shifted the problem up and down stream on the Thames. If they hold the flow back Marlow floods, if they let it run, Datchet, Staines and Wraysbury flood.
I've heard of similar problems up North where flood relief works have shifted the issue up and down stream to areas which historically didn't flood.
colin_p said:
Things appear to be ok here in the Thames Valley for now. We are ok in Maidenhead, which historically used to flood, but due to the Jubilee flood relief river no longer does. But what they've done is shifted the problem up and down stream on the Thames. If they hold the flow back Marlow floods, if they let it run, Datchet, Staines and Wraysbury flood.
I've heard of similar problems up North where flood relief works have shifted the issue up and down stream to areas which historically didn't flood.
You're quite right - my office is right next to the Upper River Don near Penistone, so we've been keeping a close eye on it in the past week. The theory is that one of two factors have caused the flooding near Doncaster:I've heard of similar problems up North where flood relief works have shifted the issue up and down stream to areas which historically didn't flood.
1. The grouse moors in the Peak District being burnt, which reduces their capacity to retain water, meaning it runs off into the rivers more quickly. This is more noticeable at the upper end of the Don where I work - it was angrier than I've ever seen it last week. Yorkshire Water are supposedly reviewing the tenancies for grouse shooting so there may be changes coming to prevent the heather being burnt.
2. The flood defences built in Sheffield and Rotherham since the 2007 floods. By and large the defences did work - there was some overtopping in places but the large scale flooding in Sheffield was prevented this time, despite the fact we had more rain in a single day than 2007. But that water has to go somewhere - it's no coincidence that Fishlake had not flooded in 100 years before now.
Edited by chriscoates on Wednesday 13th November 14:40
Blib said:
I read a couple of days ago that farmers local to the Don complained that the environment agency refused their requests to dredge the river. This was confirmed by an EA spokesman. Subsequently, their land flooded.
Shades of Somerset Levels?
Someone I was talking to said the Don used to be 40 feet deep when it was used for freight barges. Now it's down to 8 feet in places. Shades of Somerset Levels?
MG CHRIS said:
Currently snowing in blackwood south wales don't think it will come to much as its been raining since 5pm but the cars have a good covering over them. Look on the bbc forecast and its currently predicting its raining atm and no snow forecast.
Ged in there ! 
Netweather radar is showing snow in the valleys..
https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar
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