Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?

[Seventy]

I love how CT’s always think they’ve had the last word.

[Monkeylegend]

No they don't.

[anonymous-user]

off_again said:

I am no psychologist or anything, but from what I have read, its because some humans want to bring knowledge, predictability and certainty to a random and uncertain world. Holding that piece of knowledge, that limited other people know, is sufficient to bring them meaning, relevance and control. Understanding that the world isnt random and that it is somehow controlled by a secret organization that is against everyone, well thats the icing on the cake - removes the randomness and helps people understand why they have been kept down in society / money / prosperity / life etc.

For others, its the human connection side of it. In an increasingly isolated world, people can find it hard to make that human connection and find a 'community' of like minded individuals. In this case, it tends to be focused on conspiracies, but when you look at the data and research around say Qanon, you find that people feel a sense of belonging, friendship and family in being in the group, even though the theories are increasingly outlandish.

Looking outside in on these conspiracies, its easy to point fingers and laugh. But anyone, in a low point in their lives as they search for meaning, connection or explanations, can end up as a CT. And trying to get someone out of that world is not about logic, explanation or even pointing and laughing - this only makes it worse. You are trying to, indirectly, tell them that the 'family' they have within the groups, isnt for them and to break it. Thats not an easy thing to ask and for many, its much easier to just brush aside logic and reason and stick to their beliefs.

Personally I find the whole subject fascinating. The recent delve into the whole 9/11 theories reminds us that people try to find meaning in the random. It wasnt just random that those flights were selected or that the towers fell, or that a field in PA was littered with debris or even that the Pentagon was attacked - it was all a plan, hatched by the elites to keep us in our place. For some, this is easier to believe than this was an orchestrated plan of a limited number of lunatics that, by a sequence of unknown and undetermined events, resulted in the deaths of nearly 3000 people on one day.

The human brain is a tricky thing - and fascinating too. Most CT's arent stupid, just fell into something at a point in their life and cant find a way out.

I've never thought of it like that but youre probably right. They were the ones at school who wore kaftans and spouted mystic stuff while lighting joss sticks, on the edge of society in a little clique prone to smoking weed. I suppose that where it all started.

[anonymous-user]

OddCat said:

Hold on. Surely a flounce is when someone simply disappears for a few days ?

I actually stated that I was done !

Surely, Paul, you must have had girlfriends (I know that's hard to believe) who said to you "I don't want to see you again you snide, woke, gullible idiot" ? NEWS FLASH : they were not flouncing.

I also have a life and haven't logged in since 9pm yesterday (or whenever it was).

It is human nature to want to understand why things happen. It is highly unlikely that everyone will believe the same thing. It is highly likely that a lot of things people believe are not true. This is not some people, this is all people. It is entirely possible that the authorities would rather we didn't know about quite a lot of stuff.

The distinct and sudden absence of proper investigative journalism and the MSM and Social Media being tightly controlled / owned by a few individuals will make, and has made, this worse. Liberties will be taken by those with ill intent. Anything that doesn't follow the narrative, or questions it in any way, will be labelled "mis-information". Do you not see how dangerous that all is ? And how such blatant manipulation will inevitably lead to suspicion ?

Bill Gates will fly in a private jet this weekend to Davos and lecture everyone about climate change. In years gone by someone doing that would have been slaughtered for the sheer hypocrisy of it. I'm betting the MSM won't say a dicky bird. The good news about that prediction is that we'll know in 3 days time if I am right.

It isn't just about Conspiracy Theories. It is about the very real risk of a general downhill slide into a dangerous new controlled world. Dangerous for the 99% of course. The 1% will be fine.

Anyway, I'm going now. I won't make any further contributions. There is no point. We will all see how this pans out and we will all be able to come back here and re-visit this thread in years to come. Assuming it hasn't been deleted by the thought police of course in the meantime

Rather a long deflounce/reflounce?

Sorry, but "in years to come" I think your Old Flounconians club may have a membership of one.

[captain_cynic]

eldar said:

As Churchill nearly said, anyone can flounce, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to deflounce.

Nice try, though.

I beleive the original quote was "to rat" and "to re-rat" so shouldn't it be "re-flounce"?

I mean he's already flounced once when faced with facts he didn't like, I'm certain he'll do it again.

[eldar]

captain_cynic said:

eldar said:

As Churchill nearly said, anyone can flounce, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to deflounce.

Nice try, though.

I beleive the original quote was "to rat" and "to re-rat" so shouldn't it be "re-flounce"?

I mean he's already flounced once when faced with facts he didn't like, I'm certain he'll do it again.

I'll agree, a more elegant construct. Also concur with the serial reflouncing.

[QJumper]

OddCat said:

The distinct and sudden absence of proper investigative journalism and the MSM and Social Media being tightly controlled / owned by a few individuals will make, and has made, this worse. Liberties will be taken by those with ill intent. Anything that doesn't follow the narrative, or questions it in any way, will be labelled "mis-information". Do you not see how dangerous that all is ? And how such blatant manipulation will inevitably lead to suspicion ?

And do you not see how dangerous it is when people do spread misinformation, such as conspiracy theories about an election being stolen, which led to violent protests and the loss of life?

That too was blatant manipulation of people who desired a different result, and were fed a fake narrative to give them false hope, in order to incite trouble and con them out of money to "fight the steal".

[stitched]

Origin of 'the great reset'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset
CT or fact?
Global elite paedophiles, Epstein?
9/11 No idea.
Overreaction to a minor flu like illness, check the last twenty years death rates published by the ONS then tell me it was warranted.
Chemtrails, JFK and aliens, sorry can't help.

[stitched]

One more thing.
Regarding the North Wales care homes catering to paedophiles from the government, I recall my grandfather, mayor of Wrexham at the time, using locals to block access to these sick individuals, however apparently this never happened.
Thoroughly whitewashed, as were the the depraved actions of Cyril Smith prior to his demise.
Looks like I am a CT nutcase, grandad would not have said so.

[QJumper]

stitched said:

Origin of 'the great reset'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset
CT or fact?
Global elite paedophiles, Epstein?
9/11 No idea.
Overreaction to a minor flu like illness, check the last twenty years death rates published by the ONS then tell me it was warranted.
Chemtrails, JFK and aliens, sorry can't help.

I don't think people are claiming that the great reset is a CT, only the claims that it represents some kind of evil hidden agenda. For all we know it might be a good thing.

There are paedophiles from all walks of life. Most try to do it in secret, so I guess there's a conspiracy element to all of them.

As for whether covid measures were warranted, one would need to know what the death toll would have been if steps weren't taken. Perhaps there was an overreaction, but it was just as likely to have been excess caution in the face of an unknown virus rather than anything malicious. To suggest the latter is to try and paint a picture with the benefit of hindsight.

[Caddyshack]

QJumper said:

stitched said:

Origin of 'the great reset'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset
CT or fact?
Global elite paedophiles, Epstein?
9/11 No idea.
Overreaction to a minor flu like illness, check the last twenty years death rates published by the ONS then tell me it was warranted.
Chemtrails, JFK and aliens, sorry can't help.

As for whether covid measures were warranted, one would need to know what the death toll would have been if steps weren't taken. Perhaps there was an overreaction, but it was just as likely to have been excess caution in the face of an unknown virus rather than anything malicious. To suggest the latter is to try and paint a picture with the benefit of hindsight.

Exactly this, if the death rates have not been much higher then the reaction was warranted as we did not lose millions like we did with Spanish flu.

Most economies and currencies fail or reset at some point. Look at the constant need for growth year on year and what inflation does….it will reset in parts at some point but if anyone thinks that a government can link together with other countries and plan something like that then just look at something like cross rail and see how cohesive things are (not)

[CarCrazyDad]

V6 Pushfit said:

Seriously, how old are you?

Look around you - whagt would happen in this Great Reset your'e getting so over excited about? Can you see it happening? I would have thought what is happening in Ukraine shows that the world is far from united in some fantastic voyage of intent to reset - but no, in your mind because its some fringe hobby horse of the bewildered 'ooh loo those letters are arranged that way on a website' youve bought into it.

Youe only half a loon demostration from being completely gaga. Save yourself.

I don't care if it happens, because I'm so busy being a loon (retired at 58, am 61 now) I'll be dead by the time anything happens

Of course when you have 4 or 5 posters all piling on the insults you sort of don't want to get

We have different beliefs, that's fine, I don't need to insult yours to put across mine, I'm too busy at the moment to be dealing with multi-quoting ego waving arguments

I'm "flouncing" - Cya

[wisbech]

V6 Pushfit said:

Seriously, how old are you?

Look around you - whagt would happen in this Great Reset your'e getting so over excited about? Can you see it happening? I would have thought what is happening in Ukraine shows that the world is far from united in some fantastic voyage of intent to reset - but no, in your mind because its some fringe hobby horse of the bewildered 'ooh loo those letters are arranged that way on a website' youve bought into it.

Youe only half a loon demostration from being completely gaga. Save yourself.

Duh. The Russian invasion is of course part of the great reset to force food and energy prices high…. (I’ve seen this argued, with a lot of nasty anti-Semitic reasoning behind it)

[Hoofy]

I wonder if anyone's gone from conspiracy theorists to realising they got it wrong? I know plenty of people who started normal then are suddenly complaining about chemtrails and 5G vaccine masts.

[anonymous-user]

CarCrazyDad said:

I don't care if it happens, because I'm so busy being a loon (retired at 58, am 61 now) I'll be dead by the time anything happens

Don’t know what you age has to do with it apart from showing you should know better.

[DanL]

V6 Pushfit said:

CarCrazyDad said:

I don't care if it happens, because I'm so busy being a loon (retired at 58, am 61 now) I'll be dead by the time anything happens

Don’t know what you age has to do with it apart from showing you should know better.

In his defence (!), you literally asked how old he was…

[Seventy]

Covid thread is all in a tizzy about monkeypox.

Apparently it may have been planned…

[vixen1700]

Seventy said:

Covid thread is all in a tizzy about monkeypox.

Hardly a tizzy.

[deckster]

vixen1700 said:

Seventy said:

Covid thread is all in a tizzy about monkeypox.

Hardly a tizzy.

Well it seems a kinder description than "full-on fking batst mental".

grumbledoak in the other thread said:

That's a bit convenient, isn't it. Everyone has just been stabbed with a previously untested vaccine technology right at the same time as a novel monkeypox virus emerges causing everyone's immune systems to shut down. What are the odds?

If I'm reading that right, the inference is that Covid was engineered so that we would all get vaccinated, so that we are now more susceptible to a new (presumably also engineered) monkeypox strain which is going to rip through our populations and kill lots more people. It's honestly hard to know where to start.

[Rollin]

deckster said:

vixen1700 said:

Seventy said:

Covid thread is all in a tizzy about monkeypox.

Hardly a tizzy.

Well it seems a kinder description than "full-on fking batst mental".

grumbledoak in the other thread said:

That's a bit convenient, isn't it. Everyone has just been stabbed with a previously untested vaccine technology right at the same time as a novel monkeypox virus emerges causing everyone's immune systems to shut down. What are the odds?

If I'm reading that right, the inference is that Covid was engineered so that we would all get vaccinated, so that we are now more susceptible to a new (presumably also engineered) monkeypox strain which is going to rip through our populations and kill lots more people. It's honestly hard to know where to start.

...and that's not a tizzy
They'll be experts by Sunday.

Edited by Rollin on Friday 20th May 16:49