When will we be able to go to the pub again?

[Einion Yrth]

bad company said:

dmahon said:

I’m with you in the lockdown skeptics camp, but I agree the pubs don’t seem to be enforcing this at all. I haven’t signed in anywhere, no apps, QR codes etc.

Suspect it’s worse in city centre chain pubs.

I was asked to scan the QR code in a pub yesterday afternoon. That was the first time though and I’ve been in several.

Was at the pub with the missus at the weekend, they gave us a track and trace form to fill in, but didn't bother to collect it. We eventually folded it up and used it to wedge a wonky leg on the table we were sitting at.

[Bacon Is Proof]

Surprised to hear how lax so many pubs are, it's a big fine and they are doing checks.

[ecsrobin]

Tony427 said:

Just back from our fortnightly foray into the public house arena. Every fortnight a mate and myself go searching for real ale and convivial atmosphere within 50 mile radius of North Birmingham.

The weather was foul tonight but being stalwarts we simply put on our parkas and programmed the satnav.

First pub was shut, although the marquee was erected and full of tables and chairs.

We continued the hunt and found a country hostelry that had wind swept tables and chairs outside in addition to a few people huddled together having a smoke.

We sat down as directed by the laminated card on the table and awaited the Q code and instructions re ordering drinks.

The landlady came across to us.

" Do you want to sit inside" she asked. So we did.

"If anyone asks, you ( pointing to me) are my uncle, and you ( pointing to my mate) are my stepbrother. We are having a family gathering."

There were quite a few relatives there I didn't know I had.

What an absolutely lovely, "normal" night. People sat in a pub having a chat.

I have missed this so much.



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Ignoring the obvious but the landlady is aware that family gatherings aren’t allowed inside? Whilst as a customer it’s good to get back to normality if she were ever to be caught she could potentially loose her licence from the council and then no one benefits as it becomes another pub we can’t go to?

[droopsnoot]

dmahon said:

I haven’t signed in anywhere, no apps, QR codes etc.

I've signed in to one out of the two pubs I've visited, and not been asked to scan a QR code. The latter is fortunate as I still have my old phone, and never take it to the pub anyway. One of them had "Venuetrace" (or something like that) signs up during the opening last year, but told me only four people had used it over the months they were open. Both are glad to not to have to do any food this time round, especially as one of them normally doesn't do any food even in normal times.

[vaud]

I thought for most pubs the profit was in food and soft drinks rather than beer?

[TheJimi]

Bacon Is Proof said:

Surprised to hear how lax so many pubs are, it's a big fine and they are doing checks.

I've yet to go to a a pub yet, so I can't comment on any experience, but I can totally see how businesses could end up taking a lax approach. Many places bent over backwards and spent thousands complying only to be forced to close anyway.

Hence, I can see how some may take a cynical view.

[ro250]

ecsrobin said:

Tony427 said:

Just back from our fortnightly foray into the public house arena. Every fortnight a mate and myself go searching for real ale and convivial atmosphere within 50 mile radius of North Birmingham.

The weather was foul tonight but being stalwarts we simply put on our parkas and programmed the satnav.

First pub was shut, although the marquee was erected and full of tables and chairs.

We continued the hunt and found a country hostelry that had wind swept tables and chairs outside in addition to a few people huddled together having a smoke.

We sat down as directed by the laminated card on the table and awaited the Q code and instructions re ordering drinks.

The landlady came across to us.

" Do you want to sit inside" she asked. So we did.

"If anyone asks, you ( pointing to me) are my uncle, and you ( pointing to my mate) are my stepbrother. We are having a family gathering."

There were quite a few relatives there I didn't know I had.

What an absolutely lovely, "normal" night. People sat in a pub having a chat.

I have missed this so much.



.

Ignoring the obvious but the landlady is aware that family gatherings aren’t allowed inside? Whilst as a customer it’s good to get back to normality if she were ever to be caught she could potentially loose her licence from the council and then no one benefits as it becomes another pub we can’t go to?

Indeed. What a daft landlady. From that description she seems to think that is allowed and is putting herself at risk of fines for a few quids worth of takings. People might disagree with the rules, but it's pretty well known no inside gatherings of multiple households are permitted at all.

[okgo]

Indoors is what you need though isn't it.

I found a place in south London that was open last year in the full lockdown, had to knock on the door and they ushered you in. It was operating as usual, full restaurant with food being served by waiters etc, football on the TV, lovely stuff.

[Bacon Is Proof]

TheJimi said:

Bacon Is Proof said:

Surprised to hear how lax so many pubs are, it's a big fine and they are doing checks.

I've yet to go to a a pub yet, so I can't comment on any experience, but I can totally see how businesses could end up taking a lax approach. Many places bent over backwards and spent thousands complying only to be forced to close anyway.

Hence, I can see how some may take a cynical view.

I take a massively cynical view also, especially as most customers couldn't give a monkey's but with a fine upto £10,000 I make sure we are very compliant!
I've only been in one pub as a customer which is a quiet out of the way village local but the landlord was still getting people's details.

vaud said:

I thought for most pubs the profit was in food and soft drinks rather than beer?

Far too many variables to generalize. Chefs cost a lot more than bar staff, typically, freehouses can make much more on beers than tied houses. You might make a good few quid from my burger and chips but then I'm only eating one whereas I'll be sinking quite a few pints. Spirits are a big mark-up.

[Tony427]

ro250 said:

but it's pretty well known no inside gatherings of multiple households are permitted at all.

Which everyone I know, family, friends, business colleagues, neighbours have been completely ignoring since Xmas. Once Whittie lied about the 4000 per day deaths in October ( a figure that India still hasnt reached yet), I've been ignoring the rules, as has all my family. We have had two Covid deaths in the extended family and neither would have been prevented by any govt rules, regulations or guidelines whatsoever, apart from the vaccine which obvously came too late for my relatives.

I've still had the vaccine because I'm old and fat, and will welcome the Vaccine Passport to travel overseas so I can buy something somewhere nice, and have a bolt hole to escape to, away from this disgraceful, unethical government that thinks it acceptable to use mass psychological methods to terrify their population into subjugation.

[noopets]

okgo said:

Indoors is what you need though isn't it.

I found a place in south London that was open last year in the full lockdown, had to knock on the door and they ushered you in. It was operating as usual, full restaurant with food being served by waiters etc, football on the TV, lovely stuff.

That sounds like heaven!

[okgo]

noopets said:

That sounds like heaven!

It was very surreal, it was when nothing was open and people were taking it seriously. The portuguese however, which this area is known for having a large community of, were not so worried. They even allowed smoking indoors. Myself and my mate were the only english natives in there, quite amusing. Friendly bunch.

[Uggers]

ro250 said:

Indeed. What a daft landlady. From that description she seems to think that is allowed and is putting herself at risk of fines for a few quids worth of takings. People might disagree with the rules, but it's pretty well known no inside gatherings of multiple households are permitted at all.

She may well be having the last throw of the dice?

Anymore custom lost results in closure, get caught and its closure and an unpaid fine. Rock and a hard place for some.

[ro250]

Tony427 said:

ro250 said:

but it's pretty well known no inside gatherings of multiple households are permitted at all.

Which everyone I know, family, friends, business colleagues, neighbours have been completely ignoring since Xmas. Once Whittie lied about the 4000 per day deaths in October ( a figure that India still hasnt reached yet), I've been ignoring the rules, as has all my family. We have had two Covid deaths in the extended family and neither would have been prevented by any govt rules, regulations or guidelines whatsoever, apart from the vaccine which obvously came too late for my relatives.

I've still had the vaccine because I'm old and fat, and will welcome the Vaccine Passport to travel overseas so I can buy something somewhere nice, and have a bolt hole to escape to, away from this disgraceful, unethical government that thinks it acceptable to use mass psychological methods to terrify their population into subjugation.

So your first paragraph describes how you've broken the rules because they are unnecessary as they obviously affected what you wanted to do.

Your second paragraph then says you've had the vaccination because if you don't it might affect what you want to do.

Surely, if you don't see a risk in social distancing etc. then you should see no need for a vaccination? So maybe principled enough to ignore the rules but not principled enough not to get vaccinated as it'll stop you going abroad?

Not a personal dig, but I hear this so much with people picking and choosing what they want to follow to suit their own lifestyles.

[Man-At-Arms]

okgo said:

Indoors is what you need though isn't it.

I found a place in south London that was open last year in the full lockdown, had to knock on the door and they ushered you in. It was operating as usual, full restaurant with food being served by waiters etc, football on the TV, lovely stuff.

Houses of Parliament ?

[okgo]

Man-At-Arms said:

Houses of Parliament ?

That's north of the river

[Tony427]

ro250 said:

Tony427 said:

ro250 said:

but it's pretty well known no inside gatherings of multiple households are permitted at all.

Which everyone I know, family, friends, business colleagues, neighbours have been completely ignoring since Xmas. Once Whittie lied about the 4000 per day deaths in October ( a figure that India still hasnt reached yet), I've been ignoring the rules, as has all my family. We have had two Covid deaths in the extended family and neither would have been prevented by any govt rules, regulations or guidelines whatsoever, apart from the vaccine which obvously came too late for my relatives.

I've still had the vaccine because I'm old and fat, and will welcome the Vaccine Passport to travel overseas so I can buy something somewhere nice, and have a bolt hole to escape to, away from this disgraceful, unethical government that thinks it acceptable to use mass psychological methods to terrify their population into subjugation.

So your first paragraph describes how you've broken the rules because they are unnecessary as they obviously affected what you wanted to do.

Your second paragraph then says you've had the vaccination because if you don't it might affect what you want to do.

Surely, if you don't see a risk in social distancing etc. then you should see no need for a vaccination? So maybe principled enough to ignore the rules but not principled enough not to get vaccinated as it'll stop you going abroad?

Not a personal dig, but I hear this so much with people picking and choosing what they want to follow to suit their own lifestyles.

It is a personal dig, so please don't be disingenuous, and it appears that you only comprehend what you want to comprehend so that it supports your position.

I ignored the rules because they were unnecessary and do not work.

ie the old adage. If Lockdowns work, why do we need lockdowns? If lockdowns don't work why do we need lockdowns? How long was Leicester in lockdown? Did it work?

I then say I had the vaccine because I am old and fat, which you ignored, two of the most important causes of poor outcomes with Covid 19. I then go on to say that I welcome the ability to be able to go abroad which hopefully is a by product of getting the vaccine. Now this you jumped on as the sole reason for me getting the vaccination. Bit of a false assumption there.

It is possible to not agree with, and rail against, the useless and dangerous govt's rules and regulations and yet see both the personal and societal benefits of getting a vaccine.

It called taking personal responsibility and making your own decisions. Some people prefer decisions being made for them.

[ro250]

Tony427 said:

ro250 said:

Tony427 said:

ro250 said:

but it's pretty well known no inside gatherings of multiple households are permitted at all.

Which everyone I know, family, friends, business colleagues, neighbours have been completely ignoring since Xmas. Once Whittie lied about the 4000 per day deaths in October ( a figure that India still hasnt reached yet), I've been ignoring the rules, as has all my family. We have had two Covid deaths in the extended family and neither would have been prevented by any govt rules, regulations or guidelines whatsoever, apart from the vaccine which obvously came too late for my relatives.

I've still had the vaccine because I'm old and fat, and will welcome the Vaccine Passport to travel overseas so I can buy something somewhere nice, and have a bolt hole to escape to, away from this disgraceful, unethical government that thinks it acceptable to use mass psychological methods to terrify their population into subjugation.

So your first paragraph describes how you've broken the rules because they are unnecessary as they obviously affected what you wanted to do.

Your second paragraph then says you've had the vaccination because if you don't it might affect what you want to do.

Surely, if you don't see a risk in social distancing etc. then you should see no need for a vaccination? So maybe principled enough to ignore the rules but not principled enough not to get vaccinated as it'll stop you going abroad?

Not a personal dig, but I hear this so much with people picking and choosing what they want to follow to suit their own lifestyles.

It is a personal dig, so please don't be disingenuous, and it appears that you only comprehend what you want to comprehend so that it supports your position.

I ignored the rules because they were unnecessary and do not work.

ie the old adage. If Lockdowns work, why do we need lockdowns? If lockdowns don't work why do we need lockdowns? How long was Leicester in lockdown? Did it work?

I then say I had the vaccine because I am old and fat, which you ignored, two of the most important causes of poor outcomes with Covid 19. I then go on to say that I welcome the ability to be able to go abroad which hopefully is a by product of getting the vaccine. Now this you jumped on as the sole reason for me getting the vaccination. Bit of a false assumption there.

It is possible to not agree with, and rail against, the useless and dangerous govt's rules and regulations and yet see both the personal and societal benefits of getting a vaccine.

It called taking personal responsibility and making your own decisions. Some people prefer decisions being made for them.

I think it's called picking and choosing.

So you disagree with lockdowns because you don't like being told what to do.

I am curious as to how you think the pandemic should have been managed during 2020 before vaccines were available. You agree vaccines are needed so therefore must concede there is a risk.

[Maximus_Meridius101]

I saw the council fun sponges patrolling about town today. I believe they can ( and do ) check that licensed premises are toeing the line. I’ve not seen any of them when I’ve been out in the sticks though. The town pubs have been fairly good with ensuring that folk have been doing as asked, some of the smaller free houses, further afield haven’t been quite so insistent IME. I’ve been busily booking tables, for the bank holiday weekend, it’s a bit odd, but it is what it is.

[Tony427]

ro250 said:

I think it's called picking and choosing.

So you disagree with lockdowns because you don't like being told what to do.

I am curious as to how you think the pandemic should have been managed during 2020 before vaccines were available. You agree vaccines are needed so therefore must concede there is a risk.

I really cannot be bothered wasting my time engaging with someone who doesn't even read and comprehend what I write. May I suggest if you want answers to the points you raise, trot along to the "cure worse than disease" thread where this sort of discussion has its natural home.