Why Shouldnt Prostitution Be State Sanctioned?

[bazking69]

The majority of prostitutes don't do it as a rational career move, they do it to fund habits. Addictive habits to illegal substances that in turn move them into whole new circles.

Frankly most of them care more about earning so they can score for their next hit than their health. If they don't care about their wellbeing and health then they sure as hell aren't going to care about random punters...

The ideal concept of a wehouse full of tidy clean birds who regularly get checked and are always safe without fail and can provide a service in a clean and safe environment for both parties is little more than a fantasy.

[Munter]

bazking69 said:

The ideal concept of a wehouse full of tidy clean birds who regularly get checked and are always safe without fail and can provide a service in a clean and safe environment for both parties is little more than a fantasy.

Well it certainly is in this country because it's outside the law....

Is perfection something to aim for or something we should outlaw?

[gjc10212]

I can't see the appeal of a kipper house. What can a loose bag of beef curatins possibly do that a w#nk can't?....

[st_files]

bazking69 said:

utter utter utter rubbish

Have a look at the Dutch/American/Australian examples - they are all able to maintain brothels with non scaghead working girls. Quite frankly its misinformed rubbish like you'd jusy sh@t out that is the reason that prostitution is so demonized. Also, if it were true and all prostitutes were junkies then surely the argument for state intervention would be even stronger!

[tank slapper]

bazking69 said:

The ideal concept of a wehouse full of tidy clean birds who regularly get checked and are always safe without fail and can provide a service in a clean and safe environment for both parties is little more than a fantasy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Australia have a system like that?

[Gargamel]

Surely the biggest benefit of licensed premises would be that the girls themselves have a safer option if they choose to work. They can organise collectives and pay themselves, not to mention being able to contribute to TAX and NI possible even a pension fund. Obviously truck drivers will be upset if lone street walkers are no longer available, but I am sure they can carry on with just hitchhikers.


As a minimum benefit I think they should get Henry Winkler, maybe in an hearse to ferry them across town to meet clients.

[st_files]

tank slapper said:

bazking69 said:

The ideal concept of a wehouse full of tidy clean birds who regularly get checked and are always safe without fail and can provide a service in a clean and safe environment for both parties is little more than a fantasy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Australia have a system like that?

Yes...as do Holland and certain states in the USA....

[Don]

tank slapper said:

bazking69 said:

The ideal concept of a wehouse full of tidy clean birds who regularly get checked and are always safe without fail and can provide a service in a clean and safe environment for both parties is little more than a fantasy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Australia have a system like that?

Allegedly, yes. Never visited but I did know about them when I lived there.

[Defcon5]

rhinochopig said:

Defcon5 said:

elster said:

Defcon5 said:

From my experience of working with multiple support agencies in Leeds, at least 90% of the prostitutes I have encountered has tested positive for class A. Obviously I wouldn't come into contact with 'escort' types, just street walkers.

So you think the majority of Prostitutes are street walkers?

I think you will find that is a huge minority.

I can only speak from my own experience, obviously as outreach workers we wouldnt come across anyone other than street workers.

I am suprised that it isnt the case though, given how many street workers there are, there must be an awful lot of 'indoor' prostitutes

Bukkake fan eh?

Its a highly efficient way of getting your daily protien intake

[tank slapper]

st_files said:

But why not have it controlled and policed by the state? If nothing else, think of the additional revenue the govt can waste on Speed cameras, quangos or duck houses.....

Sorry, the argument should be the other way round when it comes to the state controlling things. They should have to make a case for doing so.

Income is already taxed in this country, and the revenue aren't fussy about what you do to earn your money, as long as they get their slice they are happy.

Forcing people to do things against their will, slavery, rape, assault, theft, extortion and whatever other unpleasant things pimps are want to do are already illegal. We do not need further laws to make them illegal twice.

[Munter]

tank slapper said:

bazking69 said:

The ideal concept of a wehouse full of tidy clean birds who regularly get checked and are always safe without fail and can provide a service in a clean and safe environment for both parties is little more than a fantasy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Australia have a system like that?

And Nevarda. The WI even went and had a look. And despite thinking of a few improvements thought it was a pretty good setup. You know. IF you're going to do that sort of thing.

[rhinochopig]

Defcon5 said:

rhinochopig said:

Defcon5 said:

elster said:

Defcon5 said:

From my experience of working with multiple support agencies in Leeds, at least 90% of the prostitutes I have encountered has tested positive for class A. Obviously I wouldn't come into contact with 'escort' types, just street walkers.

So you think the majority of Prostitutes are street walkers?

I think you will find that is a huge minority.

I can only speak from my own experience, obviously as outreach workers we wouldnt come across anyone other than street workers.

I am suprised that it isnt the case though, given how many street workers there are, there must be an awful lot of 'indoor' prostitutes

Bukkake fan eh?

Its a highly efficient way of getting your daily protien intake

If only there was an emoticon for laughing whilst puking.

[Munter]

Gargamel said:

Surely the biggest benefit of licensed premises would be that the girls themselves have a safer option if they choose to work. They can organise collectives and pay themselves, not to mention being able to contribute to TAX and NI possible even a pension fund. Obviously truck drivers will be upset if lone street walkers are no longer available, but I am sure they can carry on with just hitchhikers.


As a minimum benefit I think they should get Henry Winkler, maybe in an hearse to ferry them across town to meet clients.

Most of them already pay income tax etc. Ok they don't do it the PAYE route but the route every self employed person does.

[st_files]

tank slapper said:

st_files said:

But why not have it controlled and policed by the state? If nothing else, think of the additional revenue the govt can waste on Speed cameras, quangos or duck houses.....

Sorry, the argument should be the other way round when it comes to the state controlling things. They should have to make a case for doing so.

Income is already taxed in this country, and the revenue aren't fussy about what you do to earn your money, as long as they get their slice they are happy.

Forcing people to do things against their will, slavery, rape, assault, theft, extortion and whatever other unpleasant things pimps are want to do are already illegal. We do not need further laws to make them illegal twice.

The laws as they stand are fairly useless - the Police tend to turn a blind eye to the majority of adult prostitution. By having the state run it (in theory) they can then enforce the rules on non sanctioned prostitution and focus Police attention on the scum that force women/men/kids into prostitution rather than wasting time chasing and arresting working girls and their punters.

[tank slapper]

st_files said:

The laws as they stand are fairly useless - the Police tend to turn a blind eye to the majority of adult prostitution. By having the state run it (in theory) they can then enforce the rules on non sanctioned prostitution and focus Police attention on the scum that force women/men/kids into prostitution rather than wasting time chasing and arresting working girls and their punters.

So what is stopping them doing so now? The law already forbids enslaving people, so in what way would having the state involved in the consensual side of things improve that situation in any way? Seems to me like letting people get on with their lives, so a blind-eye doesn't have to be turned is much more advantageous than creating yet another state bureaucracy.

[st_files]

tank slapper said:

st_files said:

The laws as they stand are fairly useless - the Police tend to turn a blind eye to the majority of adult prostitution. By having the state run it (in theory) they can then enforce the rules on non sanctioned prostitution and focus Police attention on the scum that force women/men/kids into prostitution rather than wasting time chasing and arresting working girls and their punters.

So what is stopping them doing so now? The law already forbids enslaving people, so in what way would having the state involved in the consensual side of things improve that situation in any way? Seems to me like letting people get on with their lives, so a blind-eye doesn't have to be turned is much more advantageous than creating yet another state bureaucracy.

Because by having it state sanctioned you would have set standards, routine testing, inspections - all this would weed out the real criminals being involved. It also de stigmatises it which is important. I just think that by having some form of regulation on the industry would improve the lives of the sex workers and punters alike.

[Munter]

tank slapper said:

st_files said:

The laws as they stand are fairly useless - the Police tend to turn a blind eye to the majority of adult prostitution. By having the state run it (in theory) they can then enforce the rules on non sanctioned prostitution and focus Police attention on the scum that force women/men/kids into prostitution rather than wasting time chasing and arresting working girls and their punters.

So what is stopping them doing so now? The law already forbids enslaving people, so in what way would having the state involved in the consensual side of things improve that situation in any way? Seems to me like letting people get on with their lives, so a blind-eye doesn't have to be turned is much more advantageous than creating yet another state bureaucracy.

Ok say you have a list of 200 addresses on your patch which you believe are involved in prostitution. Which ones contain slaves and are therefore worth visiting?

Now if you could compare that list with a licensed addresses list and 190 addresses match up. Now which addresses are worth visiting?

[Bing o]

Munter said:

tank slapper said:

bazking69 said:

The ideal concept of a wehouse full of tidy clean birds who regularly get checked and are always safe without fail and can provide a service in a clean and safe environment for both parties is little more than a fantasy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Australia have a system like that?

And Nevarda.

And Germany.

[Technonotice]

The girls who work the streets are bound to be on the gear but the ones in the flats/houses are there to make money. Drugs and alcohol are not permitted in quite a few places, especially the ones in the richer areas.

A lot of the hookers I've met are illegals. They make 20k and then go back to Romania or wherever and buy property or help their families.

[tank slapper]

Munter said:

Ok say you have a list of 200 addresses on your patch which you believe are involved in prostitution. Which ones contain slaves and are therefore worth visiting?

Now if you could compare that list with a licensed addresses list and 190 addresses match up. Now which addresses are worth visiting?

I would be most surprised if the police did not already know of the premises on their patch already. I doubt one would operate for very long before they became aware of it. Convenience for the state is also a poor excuse for intrusion into peoples' private lives. It is along the same lines as the argument for the storage of DNA profiles - it would be extremely convenient for the state to have everybody on it, yet most people would object to that.

I found it quite interesting after hearing Harperson called for it to be closed, to have a read of Punternet, which has a discussion forum - the attitudes there of both women and men seems pretty far removed from the exploitation claimed. I got the impression that most of those women just want to be left to get on with it away from do-gooders trying to save them and people with an agenda.