Taking children to McDonalds, is it child cruelty?
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Actually, it's a popular topic on MFP:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1069299-ca...
Or to summarise every thread on the subject over the last 12 months on MFP, there are a hell of a lot of people achieving their weight loss goals by believing that a calorie is a calorie. And enjoying their beers and ciders.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1069299-ca...
Or to summarise every thread on the subject over the last 12 months on MFP, there are a hell of a lot of people achieving their weight loss goals by believing that a calorie is a calorie. And enjoying their beers and ciders.
Edited by Hoofy on Thursday 8th August 23:04
Hoofy said:
I find it easy to overdose on nuts (and I mean ones I've prepared myself so no salt or sugar). I could eat them all day if I didn't ration myself via MFP's diary.
As to your meal, I'm somewhat surprised you have that much carbs. I thought carbs weren't paleo.
Fruit and Veg are carbs, nutritionally speaking. Both are paleo, especially veg (with some exceptions).As to your meal, I'm somewhat surprised you have that much carbs. I thought carbs weren't paleo.
Hoofy said:
Halb said:
Hoofy said:
If I say so? So you agree that I can overeat if I eat lots of healthy fat?
I'm asking you about bread rolls. I'm trying to define a meal in your terms. Is clean eating and paleo the same thing?
PS Back later.
You can overeat anything, if you force yourself. But it's difficult with certain foods, chocolate bars have lots of carbs and fat, and it's easy to overdose.I'm asking you about bread rolls. I'm trying to define a meal in your terms. Is clean eating and paleo the same thing?
PS Back later.
A meal? I personally think $40 protein/30%fat/30%carbs is a good place to start.
Catch you laters!
As to your meal, I'm somewhat surprised you have that much carbs. I thought carbs weren't paleo.
whoami said:
"Taking children to McDonalds, is it child cruelty?"
I thought we'd moved on from there. Every day? Probably unless you buy them salads. Maybe not "cruelty" but irresponsible? Stupid?
Once in a while? Don't see the problem.
Can you lose weight eating McD's? See Fat Head which I posted about a couple of days ago. The problem with Supersize Me was simply that he ate too much. If he didn't supersize everything when offered, he'd have lost weight like the guy in Fat Head.
whoami said:
Hoofy said:
whoami said:
"Taking children to McDonalds, is it child cruelty?"
I thought we'd moved on from there. Every day? Probably unless you buy them salads. Maybe not "cruelty" but irresponsible? Stupid?
Once in a while? Don't see the problem.
We completely agree...
Cotty said:
swerni said:
I don't know what's more concerning.
Eating in MacDonalds or putting in a recipe for expenses for less than £5
He said he had a daily allowance. Some meals come out above £5 some below, but it all adds up. Just £5 maybe not, £5 along with the receipts for the other days food yes.Eating in MacDonalds or putting in a recipe for expenses for less than £5
If I ignored every receipt for less than a fiver I would have been well out of pocket!
I've heard that attitude from some colleagues though and I don't understand it, if I'm submitting a claim anyway (which I was, as the hotel prices were MUCH more than £5) then why would I not include all the smaller meals?
Hoofy said:
Let's compare notes when you're my age and see how much larger you are, perhaps. In fact, let's see how all your clean eating colleagues/friends are when they're twice their age. I suspect most will have fallen off the wagon. Like most once healthy people.
Diet means comes from Latin, diaeta, way of living. A balanced macro split is not hard to keep to and is a way of life, not a hard restrictive 'diet' (in the modern parlance) wagon to fall off. The trouble with our situation is our culture is now designed to make us obese. I eat clean, I eat dirty, just depends. Currently eating crappy, that will change in a while because I have specific goals.
Hoofy said:
I find it easy to overdose on nuts (and I mean ones I've prepared myself so no salt or sugar). I could eat them all day if I didn't ration myself via MFP's diary.
As to your meal, I'm somewhat surprised you have that much carbs. I thought carbs weren't paleo.
Nuts are easy to overdose on, even nuts with no added crap, but from what I have been reading, you don't get the full nutritional value from the nut...even so, still easy to overdose. Carbs aren't paleo? As to your meal, I'm somewhat surprised you have that much carbs. I thought carbs weren't paleo.
And Why keep saying paleo? I'm not LG. Just about everything is carbs in our world that is not meat/dairy/nuts/seeds. You can eat broccoli till it comes out your ears, it's tough to overdose on that stuff. Also, The Men Who Made Us Fat is currently being repeated this week, have you seen it?
The follow up The Men Who Made Us Thin was on last night.
Halb said:
Hoofy said:
Let's compare notes when you're my age and see how much larger you are, perhaps. In fact, let's see how all your clean eating colleagues/friends are when they're twice their age. I suspect most will have fallen off the wagon. Like most once healthy people.
Diet means comes from Latin, diaeta, way of living. A balanced macro split is not hard to keep to and is a way of life, not a hard restrictive 'diet' (in the modern parlance) wagon to fall off. The trouble with our situation is our culture is now designed to make us obese. I eat clean, I eat dirty, just depends. Currently eating crappy, that will change in a while because I have specific goals.
Hoofy said:
I find it easy to overdose on nuts (and I mean ones I've prepared myself so no salt or sugar). I could eat them all day if I didn't ration myself via MFP's diary.
As to your meal, I'm somewhat surprised you have that much carbs. I thought carbs weren't paleo.
Nuts are easy to overdose on, even nuts with no added crap, but from what I have been reading, you don't get the full nutritional value from the nut...even so, still easy to overdose. Carbs aren't paleo? As to your meal, I'm somewhat surprised you have that much carbs. I thought carbs weren't paleo.
And Why keep saying paleo? I'm not LG. Just about everything is carbs in our world that is not meat/dairy/nuts/seeds. You can eat broccoli till it comes out your ears, it's tough to overdose on that stuff. The problem with eating clean is that you don't know by looking at something whether your proportions are correct. I'm sure many of your friends are big and ripped (I know you've been training to be a PT) but if they just plan food without counting calories and macros then they won't be optimally developing themselves.
Also, you may be undereating. Yesterday was a good example of this for me - I could have stopped at 1700 kcals as I was feeling stuffed. Not good. I'll lose weight (muscle and fat). So I force-fed myself PB.
2) You linked to Mark's Daily Apple (pro-paleo) so I thought you were paleo. Anyway, the problem with broccoli is that you wouldn't want to. It's boring so you'll eat something else. A bag of nuts, for instance. And you've proven my point that you can overeat when eating clean.
It didn't appear so from how you phrased 'falling off the wagon'.
Hoofy said:
The problem with eating clean is that you don't know by looking at something whether your proportions are correct. I'm sure many of your friends are big and ripped (I know you've been training to be a PT) but if they just plan food without counting calories and macros then they won't be optimally developing themselves.
Yes you do. It comes with experience like anything. It's just learned.Hoofy said:
2) You linked to Mark's Daily Apple (pro-paleo) so I thought you were paleo. Anyway, the problem with broccoli is that you wouldn't want to. It's boring so you'll eat something else. A bag of nuts, for instance. And you've proven my point that you can overeat when eating clean.
It's boring for you. When you change your diet your tastes change. Reducing sugar and supplementing fat has nice side effects. Your point hasn't been proved, because clean for me wouldn't be racking up fat/carb macros. In the articles I posted there is discussion on how the fat will stop you wanting more. Personally I am not wholly adhering to that, though it may be accurate. People still lose fat easily on high fat low carb diets, but that's not the route I am gonna take.Edited by Halb on Friday 9th August 10:34
Halb said:
It didn't appear so from how you phrased 'falling off the wagon'.
I use that term because I can see people becoming non-clean again. I see it all the time on MFP.Hoofy said:
The problem with eating clean is that you don't know by looking at something whether your proportions are correct. I'm sure many of your friends are big and ripped (I know you've been training to be a PT) but if they just plan food without counting calories and macros then they won't be optimally developing themselves.
Yes you do. It comes with experience like anything. It's just learned.Hoofy said:
2) You linked to Mark's Daily Apple (pro-paleo) so I thought you were paleo. Anyway, the problem with broccoli is that you wouldn't want to. It's boring so you'll eat something else. A bag of nuts, for instance. And you've proven my point that you can overeat when eating clean.
It's boring for you. When you change your diet your tastes change. Reducing sugar and supplementing fat has nice side effects. Your point hasn't been proved, because clean for me wouldn't be racking up fat/carb macros. In the articles I posted there is discussion on how the fat will stop you wanting more. Personally I am not wholly adhering to that, though it may be accurate. People still lose fat easily on high fat low carb diets, but that's not the route I am gonna take.Edited by Halb on Friday 9th August 10:34
As for experience, that isn't efficient. You'll take far longer to reach your goals. How do you know, for instance, you ate enough protein yesterday to build strength or size... or even maintain muscle mass if losing weight? You can't guestimate based on experience. You will need to calculate it all (whether you do it in your head or via a diary system is up to you).
I still think you can get fat eating clean. Nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise.
IroningMan said:
Hoofy said:
I still think you can get fat eating clean. Nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise.
I'd agree - but you'd need to get through a fair bit.
BenM77 said:
Am I the only person who finds the thought of measuring their food to exact macros just a touch over the top?
I just don't see it as a normal, healthy relationship to food.
Anyway. This thread has gone way off topic
Yeah, it's a bit crazy but I find it easier to monitor things that way. Otherwise, it's all guesswork.I just don't see it as a normal, healthy relationship to food.
Anyway. This thread has gone way off topic
You could argue that anyone following a precise training plan is over the top - why not do a few biccep curls when you fancy, a few squats if you remember, a bench press or two. To get to your goal, it's partly training and partly eating.
Also, we no longer have a healthy relationship with food. We treat ourselves with poison. We abuse our bodies for fun (beer, vodka, Jagermeister). Comfort eating, avoiding food, allergies. It's all gone wrong.
Back on topic: and parents take their kids to McD's for a treat!!
Edited by Hoofy on Friday 9th August 19:24
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