What are your unpopular opinions?
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grumbledoak said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
As for starving people, 200 people can be fed with 1 cow, but 20,000 people can be fed with what a cow is fed to get them to that position.
Cows mostly eat grass. The 200 people would be in rude health. The 20,000 vegans are going to be pretty severely malnourished.There is no doubt that eating meat is a very inefficient use of food resources, and that the world would be far better off if we switched our diet to combination vegetarian and insects for extra protein. And I speak as a carnivore.
j_4m said:
Vegans eat McDonalds?
Yep, apparently at least the apple pies are kosher. I suspect the fries are as well. A lot of vegetarian/vegan food is packed full of fat and sugar in order to make it palatable. Being a vegetablist isn't guaranteed to be a healthy diet... Given that every vegetarian/vegan I know is on a full regimen of vitamin supplements, they clearly don't believe it's nutritionally complete either.
captain_cynic said:
Yep, apparently at least the apple pies are kosher. I suspect the fries are as well.
A lot of vegetarian/vegan food is packed full of fat and sugar in order to make it palatable. Being a vegetablist isn't guaranteed to be a healthy diet... Given that every vegetarian/vegan I know is on a full regimen of vitamin supplements, they clearly don't believe it's nutritionally complete either.
I think these are the relatively new breed of 'lifestyle' vegans who are doing it to be cool. My girlfriend is a veggie, our housemate a vegan, so during the week when I leave the cooking up to her the meals tend to be vegan if we're all eating together. Vegan food can be tasty and nutritious if you treat it as it is, rather than look at steak and chips and try to recreate it in soya. Or that fA lot of vegetarian/vegan food is packed full of fat and sugar in order to make it palatable. Being a vegetablist isn't guaranteed to be a healthy diet... Given that every vegetarian/vegan I know is on a full regimen of vitamin supplements, they clearly don't believe it's nutritionally complete either.
king seitan stuff, it really is the devil.That said my lunch today is a huge chunk of brisket
j_4m said:
I think these are the relatively new breed of 'lifestyle' vegans who are doing it to be cool. My girlfriend is a veggie, our housemate a vegan, so during the week when I leave the cooking up to her the meals tend to be vegan if we're all eating together. Vegan food can be tasty and nutritious if you treat it as it is, rather than look at steak and chips and try to recreate it in soya. Or that fking seitan stuff, it really is the devil.
Again sir, get out of here with these popular opinions supported by well reasoned arguments. This is not the thread for it. king seitan stuff, it really is the devil.j_4m said:
That said my lunch today is a huge chunk of brisket
Leftover spag bog (actually it's fusilli bolognese).TwigtheWonderkid said:
As for starving people, 200 people can be fed with 1 cow, but 20,000 people can be fed with what a cow is fed to get them to that position.
I mean I am not a vegan nor even vegetarian but, if accurate, that's a striking stat and I am sure most people would feel similarly. I'd say the far far better angle however for mankind as a whole is to reduce meat in the diet for everyone, not have a tiny club who cut out all meat and animal products.
OpulentBob said:
j_4m said:
captain_cynic said:
Again sir, get out of here with these popular opinions supported by well reasoned arguments. This is not the thread for it.
Oh, err... Brussel sprouts in a plastic bag make a much better cinema snack than Maltesers or Minstrels. king mental? I unknowingly hired a vegan. When I found out, I phoned him to warn him that I shoot, the senior partner shoots and that we have a chef who prepares food for all our employees (but no veggie option). I didn't want him to feel excluded or walk in to a situation that made him uncomfortable.
He was super cool about it - he will eat meat if someone's guest and it is put in front of him. Only chooses to be vegan when it is within his control. Has no issue with shooting - much better on animal welfare than farming.
I was still a bit worried. But he was true to his word. Almost. Every day he orders the meatiest dish. Sitting in a restaurant in Paris he ordered foie gras and lamb. In a first class lounge in an airport he had pork chops followed by a hamburger. He eats more meat than most people I know!
He was super cool about it - he will eat meat if someone's guest and it is put in front of him. Only chooses to be vegan when it is within his control. Has no issue with shooting - much better on animal welfare than farming.
I was still a bit worried. But he was true to his word. Almost. Every day he orders the meatiest dish. Sitting in a restaurant in Paris he ordered foie gras and lamb. In a first class lounge in an airport he had pork chops followed by a hamburger. He eats more meat than most people I know!
j_4m said:
captain_cynic said:
Again sir, get out of here with these popular opinions supported by well reasoned arguments. This is not the thread for it.
Oh, err... Brussels sprouts in a plastic bag make a much better cinema snack than Maltesers or Minstrels. I have quite a lot of vegan meals these days but I'm not a vegan, I just really like a good range of vegan meals in the same way I really like a steak the size of a mansize tissue box. I can't imagine why anyone would want to force and limit their diet by adhering to a strict herbivorous or carnivorous diet.
Blown2CV said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
As for starving people, 200 people can be fed with 1 cow, but 20,000 people can be fed with what a cow is fed to get them to that position.
I mean I am not a vegan nor even vegetarian but, if accurate, that's a striking stat and I am sure most people would feel similarly. I'd say the far far better angle however for mankind as a whole is to reduce meat in the diet for everyone, not have a tiny club who cut out all meat and animal products.
AstonZagato said:
I unknowingly hired a vegan. When I found out, I phoned him to warn him that I shoot, the senior partner shoots and that we have a chef who prepares food for all our employees (but no veggie option). I didn't want him to feel excluded or walk in to a situation that made him uncomfortable.
He was super cool about it - he will eat meat if someone's guest and it is put in front of him. Only chooses to be vegan when it is within his control. Has no issue with shooting - much better on animal welfare than farming.
I was still a bit worried. But he was true to his word. Almost. Every day he orders the meatiest dish. Sitting in a restaurant in Paris he ordered foie gras and lamb. In a first class lounge in an airport he had pork chops followed by a hamburger. He eats more meat than most people I know!
He said he was a Virgo.He was super cool about it - he will eat meat if someone's guest and it is put in front of him. Only chooses to be vegan when it is within his control. Has no issue with shooting - much better on animal welfare than farming.
I was still a bit worried. But he was true to his word. Almost. Every day he orders the meatiest dish. Sitting in a restaurant in Paris he ordered foie gras and lamb. In a first class lounge in an airport he had pork chops followed by a hamburger. He eats more meat than most people I know!
singlecoil said:
Even better for mankind as a whole would be if there wasn't so many of us, and more every second.
Yes, but how do you solve manswarm (a term for overpopulation coined by Neal Asher)? China tried with it's one child policy and still has a growing population. The fact is that population growth only reduces when countries become wealthy and rarely becomes negative. Poorer countries have higher birth rates because the kids are the pension pots. The young generations are expected to support the older generations.
Even if a large portion of the population was wiped out, either though mans violence or natures, 3 billion people at random die, ignoring the obvious issue of dealing with the corpses, how will ordinary humans react? With an influx of resources, people will feel more comfortable to have more children. A rapid depopulation only delays the manswarm as people have more children, it doesn't change that manswarm is part of human nature.
So how do we change human nature?
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