Man or bear?

[montecristo]

People saying that if you answer "bear", you've misunderstood the maths, is that so?

Chances of being injured by a bear: 1 in millions.
Chances of domestic abuse: 1 in 4.
Chances of being sexually assaulted: 1 in 30.

OK, one spends more time with one's eventual abuser/assaulter than with a bear, but even so...

https://www.idausa.org/campaign/wild-animals-and-h...
https://www.ncdv.org.uk/domestic-abuse-statistics-...
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-...

[skinnyman]

I spoke to my wife about this, more about her attitude towards men in general rather than the 'man or bear' question.

She says, as a smaller framed woman, she has to be weary of men when she's alone. Really the only time she's out walking alone is on the walk back to her car from work at night, but even then she's very vigilant. She says she's naturally suspicious of men's intentions in daily life, primarily due to a not overly pleasant partner from her past.

I'll be honest, it's never really occurred to me before, that alot of woman go through these thought processes daily. I also said that at 5ft9 and 10st I assumed no woman would ever see me as a 'threat', but apparently that's not the case. Now I think about it there could have been countless times where I've made random women feel awkward/weary/uncomfortable, without even realising I was doing anything.

[JagLover]

montecristo said:

People saying that if you answer "bear", you've misunderstood the maths, is that so?

Chances of being injured by a bear: 1 in millions.
Chances of domestic abuse: 1 in 4.
Chances of being sexually assaulted: 1 in 30.

No it is the chance of being attacked by a random man you meet while out walking as opposed to being attacked by a bear you meet while out walking.

Now I am a keen walker, and men walking by themselves are not exactly unusual particularly with a dog they are walking, and the vast majority of them are not attacking anyone so far as I am aware.

[otolith]

montecristo said:

People saying that if you answer "bear", you've misunderstood the maths, is that so?

Chances of being injured by a bear: 1 in millions.
Chances of domestic abuse: 1 in 4.
Chances of being sexually assaulted: 1 in 30.

OK, one spends more time with one's eventual abuser/assaulter than with a bear, but even so...

https://www.idausa.org/campaign/wild-animals-and-h...
https://www.ncdv.org.uk/domestic-abuse-statistics-...
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-...

The largest danger to women comes from men they know, though, as reflected in those DV statistics. And you need to be careful interpreting those statistics and applying them to hypothetical situations - as a UK resident, I am far more likely to be killed by a cow than by a tiger. I would be unwise to base my decision on which zoo enclosure to enter on this fact.

[otolith]

skinnyman said:

I'll be honest, it's never really occurred to me before, that alot of woman go through these thought processes daily. I also said that at 5ft9 and 10st I assumed no woman would ever see me as a 'threat', but apparently that's not the case. Now I think about it there could have been countless times where I've made random women feel awkward/weary/uncomfortable, without even realising I was doing anything.

The difference in average upper body strength between men and women is very marked. About 40% more. So a similar ballpark to the difference between a man and a chimpanzee.

[BikeBikeBIke]

montecristo said:

People saying that if you answer "bear", you've misunderstood the maths, is that so?

Chances of being injured by a bear: 1 in millions.
Chances of domestic abuse: 1 in 4.
Chances of being sexually assaulted: 1 in 30.

Those numbers are not comparing situations where a random person and bear are in close proximity with situations were a random person and a man are in close proximity.

So that's where your misunderstanding is. Maybe women are making the same statistical error.

I hope "More or Less" cover this.

[BikeBikeBIke]

skinnyman said:

Now I think about it there could have been countless tumes where I've made random women feel awkward/weary/uncomfortable, without even realising I was doing anything.

I identify as a bear so I only scare bigoted Terf women who mis-species me.

[mmm-five]

Whoa, whoa, whoa!

We haven't even determined whether this is a male bear or a female bear that woman are less afraid of than male humans!

[SpudLink]

Even the bears are not safe from men.

[J4CKO]

montecristo said:

People saying that if you answer "bear", you've misunderstood the maths, is that so?

Chances of being injured by a bear: 1 in millions.
Chances of domestic abuse: 1 in 4.
Chances of being sexually assaulted: 1 in 30.

OK, one spends more time with one's eventual abuser/assaulter than with a bear, but even so...

https://www.idausa.org/campaign/wild-animals-and-h...
https://www.ncdv.org.uk/domestic-abuse-statistics-...
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-...

Would say in the UK that the chances of being attacked by a bear is so small as to be non existent since the last Ice Age, unless maybe you are a careless zookeeper ?

Only Bear death of a UK national I can think of was that young lad that was killed by a Polar Bear a few years back when on holiday in Norway.

So I suppose if there were wild bears around and people kept them as pets routinely in the UK then I suspect the figures might be a quite different, I mean we get enough dogs mauling folk and even an XL Bully is a relatively weedy creature next to any kind of bear.

Still, petty damning that women feel safer taking their chances with bears.

[matchmaker]

Can't say that I have seen many bears wandering around the Loch Lomond and Trossachs National Park.

[ambuletz]

J4CKO said:

montecristo said:

People saying that if you answer "bear", you've misunderstood the maths, is that so?

Chances of being injured by a bear: 1 in millions.
Chances of domestic abuse: 1 in 4.
Chances of being sexually assaulted: 1 in 30.

OK, one spends more time with one's eventual abuser/assaulter than with a bear, but even so...

https://www.idausa.org/campaign/wild-animals-and-h...
https://www.ncdv.org.uk/domestic-abuse-statistics-...
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-...

Would say in the UK that the chances of being attacked by a bear is so small as to be non existent since the last Ice Age, unless maybe you are a careless zookeeper ?

Only Bear death of a UK national I can think of was that young lad that was killed by a Polar Bear a few years back when on holiday in Norway.

So I suppose if there were wild bears around and people kept them as pets routinely in the UK then I suspect the figures might be a quite different, I mean we get enough dogs mauling folk and even an XL Bully is a relatively weedy creature next to any kind of bear.

Still, petty damning that women feel safer taking their chances with bears.

You don't exactly see bears walking down the street when you go to corner shop for a cornetto though do you.

[otolith]

J4CKO said:

So I suppose if there were wild bears around and people kept them as pets routinely in the UK then I suspect the figures might be a quite different, I mean we get enough dogs mauling folk and even an XL Bully is a relatively weedy creature next to any kind of bear.

Don't give them ideas!

[BikeBikeBIke]

J4CKO said:

Still, petty damning that women feel safer taking their chances with bears.

Feel?

[GliderRider]

JagLover said:

No it is the chance of being attacked by a random man you meet while out walking as opposed to being attacked by a bear you meet while out walking.

Now I am a keen walker, and men walking by themselves are not exactly unusual particularly with a dog they are walking, and the vast majority of them are not attacking anyone so far as I am aware.

The perception of risk for a woman must surely depend upon how obvious the man's reason for being in a particular place is.

Walking with a dog - Obvious
Walking in hiking boots, hiking gear and map - Obvious
Walking carrying shopping bags - Obvious
Walking with no obvious accoutrements or purpose - Suspicious

[Mr Magooagain]

What about a man giving bare hugs? Bobbers you’re thread is here!

[JerseyRoyal]

Another fine job of overthinking stupid social media discourse lads

[Terminator X]

montecristo said:

People saying that if you answer "bear", you've misunderstood the maths, is that so?

Chances of being injured by a bear: 1 in millions.
Chances of domestic abuse: 1 in 4.
Chances of being sexually assaulted: 1 in 30.

OK, one spends more time with one's eventual abuser/assaulter than with a bear, but even so...

https://www.idausa.org/campaign/wild-animals-and-h...
https://www.ncdv.org.uk/domestic-abuse-statistics-...
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-...

Lol the question though is if you meet both in the woods. Your stats don't seem to reflect both being stood in the same place!

TX.

[Terminator X]

skinnyman said:

I spoke to my wife about this, more about her attitude towards men in general rather than the 'man or bear' question.

She says, as a smaller framed woman, she has to be weary of men when she's alone. Really the only time she's out walking alone is on the walk back to her car from work at night, but even then she's very vigilant. She says she's naturally suspicious of men's intentions in daily life, primarily due to a not overly pleasant partner from her past.

I'll be honest, it's never really occurred to me before, that alot of woman go through these thought processes daily. I also said that at 5ft9 and 10st I assumed no woman would ever see me as a 'threat', but apparently that's not the case. Now I think about it there could have been countless times where I've made random women feel awkward/weary/uncomfortable, without even realising I was doing anything.

Username checks out

TX.

[JagLover]

Mr Magooagain said:

What about a man giving bare hugs? Bobbers you’re thread is here!

Bare hugs would be a worry unless you were very friendly. Bear hugs while clothed a bit better.