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johnwilliams77 said:
RTB said:
Despite protestations to the contrary, most of the people on here are 40+ white men with an office job, a mortgage, 2 kids and a wife to pay for. The closest we get to any form of excitement is falling out with our neighbours over parking..... Please don't ruin the opportunity for us to get a voyeuristic glimpse into life of someone like TVR. 
Personally I'm desperate to hear about the squalid details
This.Personally I'm desperate to hear about the squalid details
Bus pass's posts and 10pshorts thread are great and much more interesting than endless conference calls, emails and meetings. People love these stories and crime books sell very well (an idea for you bus pass?)
I'm sure you wouldn't think the slate was wiped clean for someone who'd served time for burglary of your house or someone who raped your wife, on their release, so why are people so positive towards him and wishing him luck like he's just a cheeky monkey?
Badda said:
I agree it's very interesting. I don't get all the 'good luck on the outside mate' type comments though with the defence that he has served his debt to society.
I'm sure you wouldn't think the slate was wiped clean for someone who'd served time for burglary of your house or someone who raped your wife, on their release, so why are people so positive towards him and wishing him luck like he's just a cheeky monkey?
Maybe they would wish anyone with time served good luck - I don’t know. It does depend on the crime actually I.e accidentally killing someone in a car crash and being sent down vs a paedo. Not the same I'm sure you wouldn't think the slate was wiped clean for someone who'd served time for burglary of your house or someone who raped your wife, on their release, so why are people so positive towards him and wishing him luck like he's just a cheeky monkey?
Badda said:
I agree it's very interesting. I don't get all the 'good luck on the outside mate' type comments though with the defence that he has served his debt to society.
I'm sure you wouldn't think the slate was wiped clean for someone who'd served time for burglary of your house or someone who raped your wife, on their release, so why are people so positive towards him and wishing him luck like he's just a cheeky monkey?
It's a none violent crime and the aim of prison is rehabilitation. Nice straw man though.I'm sure you wouldn't think the slate was wiped clean for someone who'd served time for burglary of your house or someone who raped your wife, on their release, so why are people so positive towards him and wishing him luck like he's just a cheeky monkey?
Give it a rest as people are clearly intrigued to hear the story.
Todd Bonzalez said:
Badda said:
Brilliant. All none[sic] violent crimes are just a bit of fun really. Good to know.
You may not agree with Badda, but there really is no need to resort to insults. Let's keep it cordial, there's already too much slagging going on in the McLaren thread Edited by odie.mod on Tuesday 10th October 15:22
RTB said:
Despite protestations to the contrary, most of the people on here are 40+ white men with an office job, a mortgage, 2 kids and a wife to pay for. The closest we get to any form of excitement is falling out with our neighbours over parking..... Please don't ruin the opportunity for us to get a voyeuristic glimpse into life of someone like TVR.
Personally I'm desperate to hear about the squalid details
I'd also wager the majority on here have tried coke or other recreational drugs at some point and so don't have the desire to occupy the moral high ground Personally I'm desperate to hear about the squalid details
Badda: I'd be interested in your answer to this.
Assume TVR, whilst pursuing his criminal exploits, had a friend who got on well with him but was not involved in the criminal exploits, although was aware that TVR was up to monkey business.
Would you consider it appropriate for the criminal authorities to pursue against that friend on the basis that the friend 'had links to' or was 'an associate of' TVR's ?
In other words, 'guilt by association', most easily pursued by the charge of "being concerned in" which could, for example, reach to a mechanic who had fixed a fault in a car TVR was using in his caper?
I am genuinely, and without prejudice, interested in your opinion.
Assume TVR, whilst pursuing his criminal exploits, had a friend who got on well with him but was not involved in the criminal exploits, although was aware that TVR was up to monkey business.
Would you consider it appropriate for the criminal authorities to pursue against that friend on the basis that the friend 'had links to' or was 'an associate of' TVR's ?
In other words, 'guilt by association', most easily pursued by the charge of "being concerned in" which could, for example, reach to a mechanic who had fixed a fault in a car TVR was using in his caper?
I am genuinely, and without prejudice, interested in your opinion.
Edited by drainbrain on Tuesday 10th October 10:49
I'd be interested to know how much excitement was involved amid the worry of being caught.
After watching Narcos I started to think that although it was a terrible way to live, with the constant threat of a bullet and everything else that went with the territory, the excitement and highs must have been crazy!
After watching Narcos I started to think that although it was a terrible way to live, with the constant threat of a bullet and everything else that went with the territory, the excitement and highs must have been crazy!
Well I'm not 40, I'm 25, I do have have an office job of sorts (though I travel about by car a lot) but no mortgage (I rent) and certainly no children.
I find the story quite interesting, but not from an aspirational point of view. I would never want to live my life in constant fear of getting caught by the authorities, or shot by some gang, or whatever. Those who seem to think it sounds exciting and high-octane...I mean, really? Give me my "boring" IT job any day.
I find the story quite interesting, but not from an aspirational point of view. I would never want to live my life in constant fear of getting caught by the authorities, or shot by some gang, or whatever. Those who seem to think it sounds exciting and high-octane...I mean, really? Give me my "boring" IT job any day.
One of my neighbours has been behind bars since Saturday morning.
He doesn’t appear to work, has a nice house in a nice area of London and goes off in his car for an hour or so several times a day at all times of day and night. We christened him DD as a joke. He’s been in his house at least as long as we’ve been in ours.
We were woken by voices on Saturday and looked out of the window to see him coming out of his door in handcuffs surrounded by uniformed police and a plain clothes chap in his fifties. He was shouting that he was being abused.
They took him away and a couple of them, including the senior plain clothes chap stayed back to lock up his house. The senior guy came back in the afternoon with another plain clothes officer and went into the house. They didn’t stay very long and didn’t take anything. The next day, the same two came back and took away DD’s car. DD hasn’t been seen since.
He doesn’t appear to work, has a nice house in a nice area of London and goes off in his car for an hour or so several times a day at all times of day and night. We christened him DD as a joke. He’s been in his house at least as long as we’ve been in ours.
We were woken by voices on Saturday and looked out of the window to see him coming out of his door in handcuffs surrounded by uniformed police and a plain clothes chap in his fifties. He was shouting that he was being abused.
They took him away and a couple of them, including the senior plain clothes chap stayed back to lock up his house. The senior guy came back in the afternoon with another plain clothes officer and went into the house. They didn’t stay very long and didn’t take anything. The next day, the same two came back and took away DD’s car. DD hasn’t been seen since.
I too would like the personal abuse to stop. But I have to say that the pious comments by some seem designed to elicit such responses.
But again there I s no need for abuse and far too many people resort to it on here as of late
I'm almost inclined to tell of my own incarceration 25 years ago. However seeing some of the glib, clever, and worse abusive replies, I don't think I'll bother.
But again there I s no need for abuse and far too many people resort to it on here as of late
I'm almost inclined to tell of my own incarceration 25 years ago. However seeing some of the glib, clever, and worse abusive replies, I don't think I'll bother.
techiedave said:
I too would like the personal abuse to stop. But I have to say that the pious comments by some seem designed to elicit such responses.
But again there I s no need for abuse and far too many people resort to it on here as of late
I'm almost inclined to tell of my own incarceration 25 years ago. However seeing some of the glib, clever, and worse abusive replies, I don't think I'll bother.
Just like any trolls, they are in the minority and should be ignored. The majority would be keen to hear, hence this thread is so popular.But again there I s no need for abuse and far too many people resort to it on here as of late
I'm almost inclined to tell of my own incarceration 25 years ago. However seeing some of the glib, clever, and worse abusive replies, I don't think I'll bother.
Edited by johnwilliams77 on Tuesday 10th October 11:40
techiedave said:
I too would like the personal abuse to stop. But I have to say that the pious comments by some seem designed to elicit such responses.
But again there I s no need for abuse and far too many people resort to it on here as of late
I'm almost inclined to tell of my own incarceration 25 years ago. However seeing some of the glib, clever, and worse abusive replies, I don't think I'll bother.
Such things are of interest to the majority of us.But again there I s no need for abuse and far too many people resort to it on here as of late
I'm almost inclined to tell of my own incarceration 25 years ago. However seeing some of the glib, clever, and worse abusive replies, I don't think I'll bother.
There are always holier-than-thou types. Ignore them and their abuse.
Being interested in the story, or telling the story, neither of those indicates any sort of condoning of the crime, nor any lack of contrition.
It is immature people who think like that. They aren't worth a light.
We learn and grow from sharing experiences, good and bad.
johnwilliams77 said:
techiedave said:
I too would like the personal abuse to stop. But I have to say that the pious comments by some seem designed to elicit such responses.
But again there I s no need for abuse and far too many people resort to it on here as of late
I'm almost inclined to tell of my own incarceration 25 years ago. However seeing some of the glib, clever, and worse abusive replies, I don't think I'll bother.
Just like any trolls, they are in the minority and should be ignore. The majority would be keen to hear, hence this thread is so popular.But again there I s no need for abuse and far too many people resort to it on here as of late
I'm almost inclined to tell of my own incarceration 25 years ago. However seeing some of the glib, clever, and worse abusive replies, I don't think I'll bother.
Also given the period it seems like you've turned yourself around, questionable abbotamous fetishes aside
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