Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 4]
Discussion
The Mad Monk said:
How can you pre-pour a glass of wine? Either you poured it or you didn't?
Oh no! You aren't one of these pre-order people, are you? You will be first up against the wall when my party get into power!
I hate to disagree with someone that I see as a notch or two above me on the intelligent scale, but if my wife calls me and says, “Just got off the train, I’ll be home in less than 5 minutes”, I’ll uncork a bottle of Viognier and have the wine ready for her when she walks in.Oh no! You aren't one of these pre-order people, are you? You will be first up against the wall when my party get into power!
Colour me confused, but if the wine’s ready for her to drink, then it’s been pre-poured, i.e. it WAS in the bottle, but it’s now been poured out, ready for her.
Frank7 said:
I hate to disagree with someone that I see as a notch or two above me on the intelligent scale, but if my wife calls me and says, “Just got off the train, I’ll be home in less than 5 minutes”, I’ll uncork a bottle of Viognier and have the wine ready for her when she walks in.
Colour me confused, but if the wine’s ready for her to drink, then it’s been pre-poured, i.e. it WAS in the bottle, but it’s now been poured out, ready for her.
So how would you characterise ‘poured’ wine, as distinct from ‘pre-poured’ wine?Colour me confused, but if the wine’s ready for her to drink, then it’s been pre-poured, i.e. it WAS in the bottle, but it’s now been poured out, ready for her.
When has wine been one, but not the other?
SpeckledJim said:
So how would you characterise ‘poured’ wine, as distinct from ‘pre-poured’ wine?
When has wine been one, but not the other?
Poured wine is wine you have had to pour yourself, or has been poured in front of you. Pre-poured wine is wine that has already been poured for you before you get there, exactly as Frank has described. It has been poured beforehand, so "pre" (as in "before" or "earlier") poured. When has wine been one, but not the other?
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Poured wine is wine you have had to pour yourself, or has been poured in front of you. Pre-poured wine is wine that has already been poured for you before you get there, exactly as Frank has described. It has been poured beforehand, so "pre" (as in "before" or "earlier") poured.
‘Poured’ by definition has already happened. Pre-poured it a tautology isn’t it?
Clockwork Cupcake said:
SpeckledJim said:
So how would you characterise ‘poured’ wine, as distinct from ‘pre-poured’ wine?
When has wine been one, but not the other?
Poured wine is wine you have had to pour yourself, or has been poured in front of you. Pre-poured wine is wine that has already been poured for you before you get there, exactly as Frank has described. It has been poured beforehand, so "pre" (as in "before" or "earlier") poured. When has wine been one, but not the other?
Clockwork Cupcake said:
SpeckledJim said:
So how would you characterise ‘poured’ wine, as distinct from ‘pre-poured’ wine?
When has wine been one, but not the other?
Poured wine is wine you have had to pour yourself, or has been poured in front of you. Pre-poured wine is wine that has already been poured for you before you get there, exactly as Frank has described. It has been poured beforehand, so "pre" (as in "before" or "earlier") poured. When has wine been one, but not the other?
The Mad Monk said:
How can you pre-pour a glass of wine? Either you poured it or you didn't?
Oh no! You aren't one of these pre-order people, are you? You will be first up against the wall when my party get into power!
Would you like me to pre-line them up so that you can get cracking immediately?Oh no! You aren't one of these pre-order people, are you? You will be first up against the wall when my party get into power!
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Pit Pony said:
AstonZagato said:
StevieBee said:
Someone told me that you can't take home a Pheasant that you've accidentally killed for dinner but you can take home one killed by someone else.
Is there any truth in this or is at rural country pub wind-up?
No idea but I was told that as a child. The first is technically poaching. The second case is not.Is there any truth in this or is at rural country pub wind-up?
The Mad Monk said:
talksthetorque said:
Because you've pre-poured her a glass of wine?
How can you pre-pour a glass of wine? Either you poured it or you didn't?Oh no! You aren't one of these pre-order people, are you? You will be first up against the wall when my party get into power!
I used "Pre-poured" to emphasise that the preparative thought needed in pouring his missus a glass of wine gave him away.
The English Language is not a blunt instrument or binary tool.
It's also easier to say "I pre-ordered it" than "I ordered it ahead of it's release date" or "I ordered it at home before I went to the shop" or it will be until "Clickandcollect" becomes a verb in it's own right - not long now!
If people misuse pre-order when they do just mean order then fair enough - dispense with them for trying to evolve a language incorrectly.
Ps. I don't pre-order stuff, as it's usually the most expensive time to buy something and I was born in Yorkshire.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
SpeckledJim said:
‘Poured’ by definition has already happened.
Pre-poured it a tautology isn’t it?
In the strictest sense, perhaps. But in the vernacular I think it conveys what Frank was saying. Pre-poured it a tautology isn’t it?
It was that 'talksthetorque' chap.
Pre is often used in an oxymoronic context (pre-existing is a particularly stupid one).
Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
21st Century Man said:
Pre is often used in an oxymoronic context (pre-existing is a particularly stupid one).
Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
It wasn't Frank that started this. Wine is poured, and that's all there is to it, you can no more pre-pour it (pour it before you've poured it), than you can post-pour it (pour it after you've poured it). There's no pre-pour about it, because it's been poured earlier, pre-arrival, anymore than there is a post-pour, because it's been poured later, post-arrival.
Frank, if you poured your wife's wine after she got in, you wouldn't say you post-poured it would you?
I already tole you.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
SpeckledJim said:
‘Poured’ by definition has already happened.
Pre-poured it a tautology isn’t it?
In the strictest sense, perhaps. But in the vernacular I think it conveys what Frank was saying. Pre-poured it a tautology isn’t it?
Said wine was poured in anticipation of the request. Ergo the "pre" prefix is a perfectly acceptable and lexical use as the action was performed before the request was made.
The English language needs a warning label:
"English should not be taken literally".
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