What are your unpopular opinions? (Vol. 2)

[C5_Steve]

Castrol for a knave said:

The last remotely interesting supercar was the 12C, since then, it's just gaudy bolleux for the Kings Road types.

911's are boring. I'd rather watch 10 back to back Jayemm videos about the Evora than another load of guff and waffle about a GT3 wotnot or Singer or whatever arse engined japery they're wittering on about.

YMMV

I read that and thought 8C for a moment and was kind of getting on board, but the 12C? You're right that is an unpopular opinion.

I want my Super/Hyper cars flawed. Gorgeous to look at, incredible noise but not the best handling and will kill you if you sneeze.

[Speed addicted]

Countdown said:

Alcohol should be banned, but it never will, because people won't admit/accept that they're addicted to it. They'll argue that they only drink in moderation - if they weren't addicted it would be irrelevant how much they drank.

Not sure having an occasional pint makes anyone an addict?
I’ve seen alcoholic addiction close up (relative died at 42 due to it) and it’s a very different thing.
I was a heavy drinker in the past but was never addicted.

I sometimes eat cornflakes but I’m not addicted to them either.

[Speed addicted]

C5_Steve said:

I read that and thought 8C for a moment and was kind of getting on board, but the 12C? You're right that is an unpopular opinion.

I want my Super/Hyper cars flawed. Gorgeous to look at, incredible noise but not the best handling and will kill you if you sneeze.

Flawed things are more interesting. If you have to learn how to get the best out of something it creates more of a bond.
I’m into motorbikes, the perfect ones that just get you places really quickly become boring once you get used to the speed.
The imperfect ones that you need to work to get the best out of are far more interesting.

[Countdown]

Speed addicted said:

Not sure having an occasional pint makes anyone an addict?
I’ve seen alcoholic addiction close up (relative died at 42 due to it) and it’s a very different thing.
I was a heavy drinker in the past but was never addicted.

I sometimes eat cornflakes but I’m not addicted to them either.

I think a person is an addict if they would struggle to give something up, and get grumpy if they're forced to. Just because you "only do it in moderation or rarely" doesn't mean you're not addicted. Your brain still gets that endorphin kick when you indulge.

if somebody said I could never have avocados again I'd be completely fine.
If somebody said I couldn't have any more doner kebabs I'd be pretty depressed (its only a mild addiction)
If somebody who was a regular user had to give up cigarettes or cocaine they'd probably go crazy

There are degrees of addiction and people at the milder end don't always accept there's an addiction.

Also different types of drug have different societal costs/impacts. An addiction to doner kebabs or XBox gaming is going to have less of an impact on society than alcohol.

[Sway]

Speed addicted said:

C5_Steve said:

I read that and thought 8C for a moment and was kind of getting on board, but the 12C? You're right that is an unpopular opinion.

I want my Super/Hyper cars flawed. Gorgeous to look at, incredible noise but not the best handling and will kill you if you sneeze.

Flawed things are more interesting. If you have to learn how to get the best out of something it creates more of a bond.
I’m into motorbikes, the perfect ones that just get you places really quickly become boring once you get used to the speed.
The imperfect ones that you need to work to get the best out of are far more interesting.

Wasn't that the whole thing with the 12C?

Short term review - they all loved the Ferrari competitor. Long term - they preferred the 12C.

8C is an ugly car. Like a proper car that then got inflated by airline until it was 25% bigger. Bulbous thing unless there's no frame of reference for how bloated it is.

[paulguitar]

C5_Steve said:

I want my Super/Hyper cars flawed. Gorgeous to look at, incredible noise

Yes.

C5_Steve said:

but not the best handling and will kill you if you sneeze.

No.

[Zarco]

Sway said:

Speed addicted said:

C5_Steve said:

I read that and thought 8C for a moment and was kind of getting on board, but the 12C? You're right that is an unpopular opinion.

I want my Super/Hyper cars flawed. Gorgeous to look at, incredible noise but not the best handling and will kill you if you sneeze.

Flawed things are more interesting. If you have to learn how to get the best out of something it creates more of a bond.
I’m into motorbikes, the perfect ones that just get you places really quickly become boring once you get used to the speed.
The imperfect ones that you need to work to get the best out of are far more interesting.

Wasn't that the whole thing with the 12C?

Short term review - they all loved the Ferrari competitor. Long term - they preferred the 12C.

8C is an ugly car. Like a proper car that then got inflated by airline until it was 25% bigger. Bulbous thing unless there's no frame of reference for how bloated it is.

Yep.

[v9]

Countdown said:

I think a person is an addict if they would struggle to give something up, and get grumpy if they're forced to. Just because you "only do it in moderation or rarely" doesn't mean you're not addicted.

With the greatest respect, I don’t think you quite understand what the term means in a clinical context. If you forced me to give up sleeping I’d be more than a little grumpy, but I’m not addicted to sleep.

[Countdown]

v9 said:

Countdown said:

I think a person is an addict if they would struggle to give something up, and get grumpy if they're forced to. Just because you "only do it in moderation or rarely" doesn't mean you're not addicted.

With the greatest respect, I don’t think you quite understand what the term means in a clinical context. If you forced me to give up sleeping I’d be more than a little grumpy, but I’m not addicted to sleep.

That's an odd comparison to put it mildly - a bit like saying we're addicted to eating, or breathing. The human body needs to eat, sleep and breathe. It doesn't need to drink alcohol or take drugs.

[otolith]

On that definition of addiction - that one would be grumpy if forced to give up something one enjoys - it would seem that everybody is "addicted" to something. Except Buddhist monks, maybe. Though perhaps they are addicted to Buddhism.

[v9]

Countdown said:

That's an odd comparison to put it mildly - a bit like saying we're addicted to eating, or breathing. The human body needs to eat, sleep and breathe. It doesn't need to drink alcohol or take drugs.

I know, I was being a little silly to make a point, but ‘being grumpy when forced to give something up’ is really not what addiction is.

[Castrol for a knave]

Sway said:

Speed addicted said:

C5_Steve said:

I read that and thought 8C for a moment and was kind of getting on board, but the 12C? You're right that is an unpopular opinion.

I want my Super/Hyper cars flawed. Gorgeous to look at, incredible noise but not the best handling and will kill you if you sneeze.

Flawed things are more interesting. If you have to learn how to get the best out of something it creates more of a bond.
I’m into motorbikes, the perfect ones that just get you places really quickly become boring once you get used to the speed.
The imperfect ones that you need to work to get the best out of are far more interesting.

Wasn't that the whole thing with the 12C?

Short term review - they all loved the Ferrari competitor. Long term - they preferred the 12C.

8C is an ugly car. Like a proper car that then got inflated by airline until it was 25% bigger. Bulbous thing unless there's no frame of reference for how bloated it is.

The 8c is nice, but it is a really a Granturismo in a prettier dress (and pre-dates the 12C).

The 12C can kill you - the door mechs were so unreliable you could get locked in and starve to death.

[Blown2CV]

Countdown said:

v9 said:

Countdown said:

I think a person is an addict if they would struggle to give something up, and get grumpy if they're forced to. Just because you "only do it in moderation or rarely" doesn't mean you're not addicted.

With the greatest respect, I don’t think you quite understand what the term means in a clinical context. If you forced me to give up sleeping I’d be more than a little grumpy, but I’m not addicted to sleep.

That's an odd comparison to put it mildly - a bit like saying we're addicted to eating, or breathing. The human body needs to eat, sleep and breathe. It doesn't need to drink alcohol or take drugs.

they should ban class A drugs too

[C5_Steve]

Sway said:

Wasn't that the whole thing with the 12C?

Short term review - they all loved the Ferrari competitor. Long term - they preferred the 12C.

But the styling was incredibly boring. Now, I'd say it's actually aged well but at the time it was very vanilla.

Sway said:

8C is an ugly car. Like a proper car that then got inflated by airline until it was 25% bigger. Bulbous thing unless there's no frame of reference for how bloated it is.

Couldn't disagree more, one of the best-looking cars or recent times IMO with a.......

[Pit Pony]

DodgyGeezer said:

Alcohol, and related illnesses, should be taken a LOT more seriously in this country and I do wonder if a Scandinavian model of control should be implemented - I may not be totally impartial

It's one way of solving the pensions crisis.

[Nethybridge]

v9 said:

I know, I was being a little silly to make a point, but ‘being grumpy when forced to give something up’ is really not what addiction is.

I remember some earnest health professional on TV seriously
citing the example of a pensioner taking a wee whisky snifter
before bed as having an alcohol dependency.

[MadCaptainJack]

C5_Steve said:

Couldn't disagree more, one of the best-looking cars or recent times IMO with a.......

[djc206]

otolith said:

On that definition of addiction - that one would be grumpy if forced to give up something one enjoys - it would seem that everybody is "addicted" to something. Except Buddhist monks, maybe. Though perhaps they are addicted to Buddhism.

I’ve spent enough time in Buddhist countries to have seen that Buddhist monks aren’t immune from life’s temptations. In Bhutan they were pretty much permanently steaming as people made offerings of the local homemade rice wine at the temples. I’ve sat on the steps of a temple sharing a bottle with one, oddly paired with a horribly underripe pomegranate.

[Stick Legs]

McLaren MP4/12C is the only supercar I have ever really wanted.

Tantalising close but still too much of a stretch.

The modern Lotus Esprit Turbo IMHO.

[The Moose]

Stick Legs said:

McLaren MP4/12C is the only supercar I have ever really wanted.

Tantalising close but still too much of a stretch.

The modern Lotus Esprit Turbo IMHO.

The 12C just isn't one for me...I'm not sure if that's a popular or unpopular opinion!