Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?

Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?

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740EVTORQUES

510 posts

2 months

Sunday 12th May
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If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?

captain_cynic

12,200 posts

96 months

Sunday 12th May
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740EVTORQUES said:
If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?
Presumably they would have dispersed before the next plane came along, they're usually separated by a few KMs at a minimum.

Besides, the chemicals have been reduced as they were interfering with the 5G chips from the vaccines.

coldel

7,982 posts

147 months

Monday 13th May
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As ever with a CT if you ask them to dig into the detail they fall over ... same with the 'experts' in the well known rooms on PH, stick them in a room with a real knowledgable expert and no access to internet echo chambers and they will run out of 'expertise' very quickly, despite coming across confident as you like in the threads.

Chemtrails, so operationally this looks like a challenge:

Who produces the millions of tonnes of chemicals in this clandestine fashion?
Who is shipping them and how does no one know where they are?
Where are they stored on the plane?
Does the pilot know about this, as I assume they have to flick the switch on?
Who is loaded all this stuff onto the plane?
Who is measuring the impact and outcomes of this multi billion dollar exercise?

Basically its easy to point and say 'there you go' but thinking it through end to end of the process it would be a huge undertaking with hundreds of thousands of people involved globally.

GeneralBanter

871 posts

16 months

Monday 13th May
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I'm convinced a lot of these daft conspiracy theories start off with someone having a laugh online and seeing who bites, then having an even bigger laugh when it gets taken on and circulated as fact by the hard of thinking.

They can then fan the flames by adding more ste as gospel and the whole thing develops a life of its own while they sit back and dream up the next thing to put out.

Flumpo

3,813 posts

74 months

Monday 13th May
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nessiemac said:
MiniMan64 said:
How long before the CTers have some kind of nefarious explanation for last nights light show?
Ta da....

I mean there is a bit of a conspiracy with the northern lights. There are people merrily sharing vivid neon photo displays that are making iclandanders question if they have ever even seen the northern lights before. While all of us who actually saw the lights know that in reality what we saw looked nothing like what our phone cameras captured.

Yet all you see is these amazing images with people waxing lyrical about the colours and bucket lists, without mentioning to those that missed it, that it didn’t look the same to the naked eye.

It’s like some mass hysteria emperors clothes fable.

Brother D

3,751 posts

177 months

Monday 13th May
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captain_cynic said:
740EVTORQUES said:
If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?
Presumably they would have dispersed before the next plane came along, they're usually separated by a few KMs at a minimum.

Besides, the chemicals have been reduced as they were interfering with the 5G chips from the vaccines.
Never quite understood the Chemtrail one.

Why stick it in aircraft fuel to spray over the atlantic/pacific, when you could just put it in petrol/diesel and have it delivered direct to the population?

Notch 8

299 posts

9 months

Monday 13th May
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Brother D said:
captain_cynic said:
740EVTORQUES said:
If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?
Presumably they would have dispersed before the next plane came along, they're usually separated by a few KMs at a minimum.

Besides, the chemicals have been reduced as they were interfering with the 5G chips from the vaccines.
Never quite understood the Chemtrail one.

Why stick it in aircraft fuel to spray over the atlantic/pacific, when you could just put it in petrol/diesel and have it delivered direct to the population?
There’s no melodrama there though. Every CTist I’ve encountered needs sensationalism and melodrama to get off on.

coldel

7,982 posts

147 months

Monday 13th May
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Notch 8 said:
Brother D said:
captain_cynic said:
740EVTORQUES said:
If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?
Presumably they would have dispersed before the next plane came along, they're usually separated by a few KMs at a minimum.

Besides, the chemicals have been reduced as they were interfering with the 5G chips from the vaccines.
Never quite understood the Chemtrail one.

Why stick it in aircraft fuel to spray over the atlantic/pacific, when you could just put it in petrol/diesel and have it delivered direct to the population?
There’s no melodrama there though. Every CTist I’ve encountered needs sensationalism and melodrama to get off on.
Because a conspiracy has to be almost out of reach for people to prove.

If its in petrol, you or I could buy some petrol give it to a chemist and have it tested. Plane fuel on the other hand is not as readily available to joe public.

A lot of conspiracies rely on the 'unavailability' of proof for it, as proof itself, in that 'they' are working to subvert or control you.

captain_cynic

12,200 posts

96 months

Monday 13th May
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coldel said:
Because a conspiracy has to be almost out of reach for people to prove.

If its in petrol, you or I could buy some petrol give it to a chemist and have it tested. Plane fuel on the other hand is not as readily available to joe public.

A lot of conspiracies rely on the 'unavailability' of proof for it, as proof itself, in that 'they' are working to subvert or control you.
Jet A is fairly easy to get. Same with AvGas. Most aero clubs will stock the latter and many stock the former. JetA1 is £1.15 a litre from Shropshire Aero Club.

The conspiracy is that it's a special chemical known only to a few yet the mechanism to distribute and load it are kept Uber secret.... Keeping evidence just out of reach.

Erm... If anyone around Shropshire is getting any funny ideas. Jet fuel is very low octane so it just won't run in your car.

beagrizzly

10,453 posts

232 months

Monday 13th May
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Flumpo said:
nessiemac said:
MiniMan64 said:
How long before the CTers have some kind of nefarious explanation for last nights light show?
Ta da....

I mean there is a bit of a conspiracy with the northern lights. There are people merrily sharing vivid neon photo displays that are making iclandanders question if they have ever even seen the northern lights before. While all of us who actually saw the lights know that in reality what we saw looked nothing like what our phone cameras captured.

Yet all you see is these amazing images with people waxing lyrical about the colours and bucket lists, without mentioning to those that missed it, that it didn’t look the same to the naked eye.

It’s like some mass hysteria emperors clothes fable.
Everyone who looked at it will be blind soon.

Then the plants will rise up.

You heard it here first......

DonkeyApple

55,722 posts

170 months

Monday 13th May
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beagrizzly said:
Everyone who looked at it will be blind soon.

Then the plants will rise up.

You heard it here first......
The vegetables have already risen up. And everyone is laughing.

MBBlat

1,660 posts

150 months

Monday 13th May
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GeneralBanter said:
I'm convinced a lot of these daft conspiracy theories start off with someone having a laugh online and seeing who bites, then having an even bigger laugh when it gets taken on and circulated as fact by the hard of thinking.

They can then fan the flames by adding more ste as gospel and the whole thing develops a life of its own while they sit back and dream up the next thing to put out.
I’m sure with flat earth there is a competition between the various grifters and trolls pushing the conspiracy to see what is the most easily disposable and idiotic thing they can get their followers to believe.

Qanon was so obviously a Reddit user trolling the right wingers in the states, yet is seemingly believed by some apparently sane politicians.

98elise

26,761 posts

162 months

Tuesday 14th May
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coldel said:
As ever with a CT if you ask them to dig into the detail they fall over ... same with the 'experts' in the well known rooms on PH, stick them in a room with a real knowledgable expert and no access to internet echo chambers and they will run out of 'expertise' very quickly, despite coming across confident as you like in the threads.

Chemtrails, so operationally this looks like a challenge:

Who produces the millions of tonnes of chemicals in this clandestine fashion?
Who is shipping them and how does no one know where they are?
Where are they stored on the plane?
Does the pilot know about this, as I assume they have to flick the switch on?
Who is loaded all this stuff onto the plane?
Who is measuring the impact and outcomes of this multi billion dollar exercise?

Basically its easy to point and say 'there you go' but thinking it through end to end of the process it would be a huge undertaking with hundreds of thousands of people involved globally.
The first question is why? Spraying it out of a plane at 30,000ft seems a pretty poor way of distibuting chemicals. Its especially true when the plane spends much of its time over the sea.

In every other application you put the chemicals where you want them, not randomly spray them into the air and hope.

coldel

7,982 posts

147 months

Tuesday 14th May
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98elise said:
The first question is why? Spraying it out of a plane at 30,000ft seems a pretty poor way of distibuting chemicals. Its especially true when the plane spends much of its time over the sea.

In every other application you put the chemicals where you want them, not randomly spray them into the air and hope.
Motive is always missing. Always.

I mean if they wanted us to get given something via a vaccine, why not just pour the damn thing in the water. Much easier.

But yes anyone believing chemtrails is getting off the charts paranoia levels.

RichTT

3,096 posts

172 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Weather modification isn't new technology. The only real question is who / when and why. Are they doing it here in the UK? FOI request says that we used it in the UK as far back as the 1950's. It's confirmed to be being used in the US, Europe, Asia, EU and now they are looking at using cloud seeding and geoengineering to block the sun.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/climate/global-...

Of course it's only a conspiracy theory if you don't look at the underlying commodity (Silver Iodide) which is projected to be a $500 million industry by 2030. Of which about 45% is consumed by cloud seeding.

"The silver iodide market is driven by factors such as increased cloud seeding activities by numerous countries around the world. This is consequently increasing the demand for silver iodide, as it is used in cloud seeding application."

https://www.alliedmarketresearch.com/silver-iodide...

So whilst 'chemtrails' might be debunked, they are most certainly mucking about with geoengineering on a grand scale.


coldel

7,982 posts

147 months

Tuesday 14th May
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RichTT said:
Weather modification isn't new technology. The only real question is who / when and why. Are they doing it here in the UK? FOI request says that we used it in the UK as far back as the 1950's. It's confirmed to be being used in the US, Europe, Asia, EU and now they are looking at using cloud seeding and geoengineering to block the sun.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/climate/global-...

Of course it's only a conspiracy theory if you don't look at the underlying commodity (Silver Iodide) which is projected to be a $500 million industry by 2030. Of which about 45% is consumed by cloud seeding.

"The silver iodide market is driven by factors such as increased cloud seeding activities by numerous countries around the world. This is consequently increasing the demand for silver iodide, as it is used in cloud seeding application."

https://www.alliedmarketresearch.com/silver-iodide...

So whilst 'chemtrails' might be debunked, they are most certainly mucking about with geoengineering on a grand scale.
And no one is saying cloud seeding isn't a thing, its widely reported and has scientific papers on it.

But what it isn't is the chemtrail delirium that has people pointing at clouds....

DonkeyApple

55,722 posts

170 months

Tuesday 14th May
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coldel said:
And no one is saying cloud seeding isn't a thing, its widely reported and has scientific papers on it.

But what it isn't is the chemtrail delirium that has people pointing at clouds....
We were taught about it at school in the 80s.

Bob Geldoff has banged in about it since about 2008.

It's been used in Africa for decades.

I would hope that pretty much everyone who has attended some form of eduction in the West is aware of cloud seeding. smile

RichTT

3,096 posts

172 months

Tuesday 14th May
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coldel said:
And no one is saying cloud seeding isn't a thing, its widely reported and has scientific papers on it.

But what it isn't is the chemtrail delirium that has people pointing at clouds....
It seems every conspiracy theory ends up containing a grain of truth.

The governments have done worse things than spraying random chemicals on civilians. But they also did that as well in Operation LAC.

mko9

2,414 posts

213 months

Tuesday 14th May
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coldel said:
98elise said:
The first question is why? Spraying it out of a plane at 30,000ft seems a pretty poor way of distibuting chemicals. Its especially true when the plane spends much of its time over the sea.

In every other application you put the chemicals where you want them, not randomly spray them into the air and hope.
Motive is always missing. Always.

I mean if they wanted us to get given something via a vaccine, why not just pour the damn thing in the water. Much easier.

But yes anyone believing chemtrails is getting off the charts paranoia levels.
Just ask the underpants gnomes. Spray chemicals...something, something...profit!

MBBlat

1,660 posts

150 months

Tuesday 14th May
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RichTT said:
It seems every conspiracy theory ends up containing a grain of truth.
Not even close, quite a lot are made up from nothing but paranoid delusions, or to sell something.

If there is a grain of truth then it has been distorted beyond all recognition.