Why humans crave fatty foods
Discussion
el stovey said:
Listen to you anti carb followers, it's like religious dogma you're spouting. Blaming carbs for being fat AND making you hungry. 
They are correct though, in my opinion.When I eat carbs I need to refuel at fairly precise times otherwise I feel irritably hungry. It's blood sugar fluctuations I think. I tend not to get gnawing hunger when eating low carb.
Also noticeable is better performance in endurance type activity. I am not sure what the exact science is but what seems to happen is that fat consumed as food provides energy in the absence of carbs, and when that fat has run out the transition to using body fat it seamless. Whereas when energy derived from carbs is exhausted I cannot continue to perform well without ingesting more carbs.
As I say, I am not especially interested in the science. I just know what works for me.
I think everyone is right in their own way.
I am most certainly in the low/zero carb camp. I generally eat lower amounts of carbs and natural carbs and sometimes I go zero carb or as its known Ketosis.
Carbs ARE not required for the body to function correctly however they have their advantages when used correctly.
I think the answer is somewhere between most camps and identifying what you need and what makes you gain weight.
Lee
I am most certainly in the low/zero carb camp. I generally eat lower amounts of carbs and natural carbs and sometimes I go zero carb or as its known Ketosis.
Carbs ARE not required for the body to function correctly however they have their advantages when used correctly.
I think the answer is somewhere between most camps and identifying what you need and what makes you gain weight.
Lee
Ordinary_Chap said:
I think everyone is right in their own way.
I am most certainly in the low/zero carb camp. I generally eat lower amounts of carbs and natural carbs and sometimes I go zero carb or as its known Ketosis.
Carbs ARE not required for the body to function correctly however they have their advantages when used correctly.
I think the answer is somewhere between most camps and identifying what you need and what makes you gain weight.
Well ultimately carbs are required for everything, since cells can only run on simple carbs (usually glucose). You don't neccessarily need to eat dietary carbs though if that's what you're saying.I am most certainly in the low/zero carb camp. I generally eat lower amounts of carbs and natural carbs and sometimes I go zero carb or as its known Ketosis.
Carbs ARE not required for the body to function correctly however they have their advantages when used correctly.
I think the answer is somewhere between most camps and identifying what you need and what makes you gain weight.
I think more distinction needs to be made between refined simple carbs and unrefined complex carbs, since the latter don't cause the huge insulin spikes and are arguably better for you than loads of fat.
Flibble said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
I think everyone is right in their own way.
I am most certainly in the low/zero carb camp. I generally eat lower amounts of carbs and natural carbs and sometimes I go zero carb or as its known Ketosis.
Carbs ARE not required for the body to function correctly however they have their advantages when used correctly.
I think the answer is somewhere between most camps and identifying what you need and what makes you gain weight.
Well ultimately carbs are required for everything, since cells can only run on simple carbs (usually glucose). You don't neccessarily need to eat dietary carbs though if that's what you're saying.I am most certainly in the low/zero carb camp. I generally eat lower amounts of carbs and natural carbs and sometimes I go zero carb or as its known Ketosis.
Carbs ARE not required for the body to function correctly however they have their advantages when used correctly.
I think the answer is somewhere between most camps and identifying what you need and what makes you gain weight.
I think more distinction needs to be made between refined simple carbs and unrefined complex carbs, since the latter don't cause the huge insulin spikes and are arguably better for you than loads of fat.
Flibble said:
Well ultimately carbs are required for everything, since cells can only run on simple carbs (usually glucose). You don't neccessarily need to eat dietary carbs though if that's what you're saying.
I think more distinction needs to be made between refined simple carbs and unrefined complex carbs, since the latter don't cause the huge insulin spikes and are arguably better for you than loads of fat.
Interesting thing: When I go to Italy I can eat a "normal" diet for a week or so and not put on weight, whereas if I did it here I would gain a few pounds. I am guessing it's because they have less processed food.I think more distinction needs to be made between refined simple carbs and unrefined complex carbs, since the latter don't cause the huge insulin spikes and are arguably better for you than loads of fat.
mattikake said:
It completely explains why some qualified with these as their training source would recommend using a Deadlift to work your Abs or would need a 1st year Gym Instructor (me) to point out that twisting an ankle inwards is an "Inversion" of the ankle... etc. I kid you not! 
Sorry had to pull you up there, slightly off topic but deadlifts are probably the best exercise for abs around. 
Cutting wheat, corn and pretty much every other commercially grown grain, especially the refined products like corn syrup, will prove beneficial for most.
markcoznottz said:
mattikake said:
It completely explains why some qualified with these as their training source would recommend using a Deadlift to work your Abs or would need a 1st year Gym Instructor (me) to point out that twisting an ankle inwards is an "Inversion" of the ankle... etc. I kid you not!
Sorry had to pull you up there, slightly off topic but deadlifts are probably the best exercise for abs around. Looking at the bigger picture; I've (more recently) seen deadlifts referred to as a Back exercise. I do deads for glutes and hams
Manks said:
Also noticeable is better performance in endurance type activity. I am not sure what the exact science is but what seems to happen is that fat consumed as food provides energy in the absence of carbs, and when that fat has run out the transition to using body fat it seamless. Whereas when energy derived from carbs is exhausted I cannot continue to perform well without ingesting more carbs.
Interesting. What kinds of endurance activities?The only problem I see with carbs is they contain a lot of energy which is why I've reduced my carb intake to around 150-200g a day. Hunger is just a feeling and you can get used to such feelings. As to good carbs vs bad carbs, it really depends on your goal.
In any case, what ever you're eating, if you're going to fill your tank to the brim and keep filling it every 4 hours, you better intend on driving somewhere.
Edited by Hoofy on Friday 29th June 09:30
Hoofy said:
Manks said:
Also noticeable is better performance in endurance type activity. I am not sure what the exact science is but what seems to happen is that fat consumed as food provides energy in the absence of carbs, and when that fat has run out the transition to using body fat it seamless. Whereas when energy derived from carbs is exhausted I cannot continue to perform well without ingesting more carbs.
Interesting. What kinds of endurance activities?The only problem I see with carbs is they contain a lot of energy which is why I've reduced my carb intake to around 150-200g a day.
If you're going to fill your tank to the brim and keep filling it every 4 hours, you better intend on driving somewhere.
It is an odd sensation and feels like I have exhausted my immediate fuel supplies, but am still able to draw on other resources without loss of performance.
JudgeMental said:
markcoznottz said:
mattikake said:
It completely explains why some qualified with these as their training source would recommend using a Deadlift to work your Abs or would need a 1st year Gym Instructor (me) to point out that twisting an ankle inwards is an "Inversion" of the ankle... etc. I kid you not!
Sorry had to pull you up there, slightly off topic but deadlifts are probably the best exercise for abs around. Looking at the bigger picture; I've (more recently) seen deadlifts referred to as a Back exercise. I do deads for glutes and hams
There's an easy way to tell this for yourself. Stand up, feet shoulder width apart, dig your fingers right into your Abs, perform an imaginary deadlift with your fingers dug in. At what point do your Abs flex? They don't apart from the very top of the motion where you Abs flex momentarily to stop you hyper-extening your back, but with a heavy weight suspended from your arms, instead of nothing, you're hardly going to need to do this as gravity will stop any hyper-extension when you stop lifting... unless you do go a bit further and deliberately arch your back or aim to hold the lift for a few seconds. So if there is work for you Abs to do, it is minimal and momentary at the top of a held lift.
Deadlifts are great for working virtually all the muscles in your posterior frontal plane - from your calves to your neck - and shoulders, grip, etc. so are probably only bettered by squats for a mega compound exercise. The number of muscles activated is why you get so out of breath doing them, compared to other exercises.
Edited by mattikake on Friday 29th June 11:02
mattikake said:
Your Abs (Rectus Abdominis we're talking about here) would only work slightly as a synergist on the way up perhaps for stability (and even then it will be dominated by many other synergists), and a fixator at the very top of the lift, but that is all. It's not the type of exercise you would recommend when someone asking for a good one to work the Abs (FFS)!
There's an easy way to tell this for yourself. Stand up, feet shoulder width apart, dig your fingers right into your Abs, perform an imaginary deadlift with your fingers dug in. At what point do your Abs flex? They don't apart from the very top of the motion where you Abs flex momentarily to stop you hyper-extening your back, but with a heavy weight suspended from your arms, instead of nothing, you're hardly going to need to do this as gravity will stop any hyper-extension when you stop lifting... unless you do go a bit further and deliberately arch your back or aim to hold the lift for a few seconds. So if there is work for you Abs to do, it is minimal and momentary at the top of a held lift.
Deadlifts are great for working virtually all the muscles in your posterior frontal plane - from your calves to your neck - and shoulders, grip, etc. so are probably only bettered by squats for a mega compound exercise. The number of muscles activated is why you get so out of breath doing them, compared to other exercises.
Sorry, but abdominal muscles do play a big part in deadlifting. There's an easy way to tell this for yourself. Stand up, feet shoulder width apart, dig your fingers right into your Abs, perform an imaginary deadlift with your fingers dug in. At what point do your Abs flex? They don't apart from the very top of the motion where you Abs flex momentarily to stop you hyper-extening your back, but with a heavy weight suspended from your arms, instead of nothing, you're hardly going to need to do this as gravity will stop any hyper-extension when you stop lifting... unless you do go a bit further and deliberately arch your back or aim to hold the lift for a few seconds. So if there is work for you Abs to do, it is minimal and momentary at the top of a held lift.
Deadlifts are great for working virtually all the muscles in your posterior frontal plane - from your calves to your neck - and shoulders, grip, etc. so are probably only bettered by squats for a mega compound exercise. The number of muscles activated is why you get so out of breath doing them, compared to other exercises.
Edited by mattikake on Friday 29th June 11:02
Edit to add- if your abs dont go solid when you deadlift, you're not doing it right.
Edited by didelydoo on Friday 29th June 11:14
didelydoo said:
mattikake said:
Your Abs (Rectus Abdominis we're talking about here) would only work slightly as a synergist on the way up perhaps for stability (and even then it will be dominated by many other synergists), and a fixator at the very top of the lift, but that is all. It's not the type of exercise you would recommend when someone asking for a good one to work the Abs (FFS)!
There's an easy way to tell this for yourself. Stand up, feet shoulder width apart, dig your fingers right into your Abs, perform an imaginary deadlift with your fingers dug in. At what point do your Abs flex? They don't apart from the very top of the motion where you Abs flex momentarily to stop you hyper-extening your back, but with a heavy weight suspended from your arms, instead of nothing, you're hardly going to need to do this as gravity will stop any hyper-extension when you stop lifting... unless you do go a bit further and deliberately arch your back or aim to hold the lift for a few seconds. So if there is work for you Abs to do, it is minimal and momentary at the top of a held lift.
Deadlifts are great for working virtually all the muscles in your posterior frontal plane - from your calves to your neck - and shoulders, grip, etc. so are probably only bettered by squats for a mega compound exercise. The number of muscles activated is why you get so out of breath doing them, compared to other exercises.
Sorry, but abdominal muscles do play a big part in deadlifting. There's an easy way to tell this for yourself. Stand up, feet shoulder width apart, dig your fingers right into your Abs, perform an imaginary deadlift with your fingers dug in. At what point do your Abs flex? They don't apart from the very top of the motion where you Abs flex momentarily to stop you hyper-extening your back, but with a heavy weight suspended from your arms, instead of nothing, you're hardly going to need to do this as gravity will stop any hyper-extension when you stop lifting... unless you do go a bit further and deliberately arch your back or aim to hold the lift for a few seconds. So if there is work for you Abs to do, it is minimal and momentary at the top of a held lift.
Deadlifts are great for working virtually all the muscles in your posterior frontal plane - from your calves to your neck - and shoulders, grip, etc. so are probably only bettered by squats for a mega compound exercise. The number of muscles activated is why you get so out of breath doing them, compared to other exercises.
Edited by mattikake on Friday 29th June 11:02
Edit to add- if your abs dont go solid when you deadlift, you're not doing it right.
Edited by didelydoo on Friday 29th June 11:14
My original point was and stands, if someone asked you for an Ab exercise, given all the others available would you suggest a deadlift?
Edited by mattikake on Friday 29th June 14:09
mattikake said:
Fixator at the top of the lift.
My original point was and stands, if someone asked you for an Ab exercise, given all the others available would you suggest a deadlift?
1000% yes. And squats as well. Best two exercises in existence. You strike me as a bit of an armchair expert. My original point was and stands, if someone asked you for an Ab exercise, given all the others available would you suggest a deadlift?
markcoznottz said:
mattikake said:
Fixator at the top of the lift.
My original point was and stands, if someone asked you for an Ab exercise, given all the others available would you suggest a deadlift?
1000% yes. And squats as well. Best two exercises in existence. You strike me as a bit of an armchair expert. My original point was and stands, if someone asked you for an Ab exercise, given all the others available would you suggest a deadlift?
markcoznottz said:
mattikake said:
Fixator at the top of the lift.
My original point was and stands, if someone asked you for an Ab exercise, given all the others available would you suggest a deadlift?
1000% yes. And squats as well. Best two exercises in existence. You strike me as a bit of an armchair expert. My original point was and stands, if someone asked you for an Ab exercise, given all the others available would you suggest a deadlift?
"Please Mr. PT, could you recommend me a good Ab exercise?"
"Hmm, well lets see. There's all kinds of Crunches, Leg raises, Pikes, Body weight and Planks, Stability Ball variants, flat/declined/weighted versions on bench or floor, Kettlebells... but actually sod all that, what you want is a nice deadlift."
Riiiight.
Liquid Tuna said:
R300will said:
Hoofy said:
Leptons said:
I once knew a guy who was fairly slim but still had a slight moob problem.
Was your "friend" actually fairly slim or did he actually have a paunch.
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