PH Transformation Thread 2012 - Chat
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JonnyFive said:
Had a read, all quite abit above my head.. Definitely a newbie at this.
At the moment I'm just trying to lose weight, have been recommended that T5 Pills can help that.. Obviously I'm dieting and working out in the evenings, want to make sure I'm doing everything I can do start dropping the pounds..
I'd leave the protein shakes for the time being then.At the moment I'm just trying to lose weight, have been recommended that T5 Pills can help that.. Obviously I'm dieting and working out in the evenings, want to make sure I'm doing everything I can do start dropping the pounds..
As for T5 also known as ECA (Ephedrine, caffeine and asprin) again not required and definitely not recommended at this stage and can be dangerous in the hands of someone inexperienced.
Just keep going, keep learning and improving your diet and training at this point.
Lee
Hoofy said:
JonnyFive said:
Calorie intake? About 1200 calories, according to MFP. It says I should be aiming for 1900, but at 1200 I'm full and don't feel like I need to eat.
Have cereal for breakfast, 'Healthy Eating something or other' Chicken Salad Sandwich and carrot/fruit and for dinner I've had tuna pasta/cereal/salad and tonight going to buy chicken breasts and stuff to make salad. Cut out all drinks bar water (Drinking more of it than before too).
Just a heads up. When your weight loss grinds to a sickening halt, increase it to 1900 however you can...Have cereal for breakfast, 'Healthy Eating something or other' Chicken Salad Sandwich and carrot/fruit and for dinner I've had tuna pasta/cereal/salad and tonight going to buy chicken breasts and stuff to make salad. Cut out all drinks bar water (Drinking more of it than before too).
Edit: perhaps not with alcoholic drinks as that kills your fat burning rate according to something I read the other day.
Personally I think 1200 if far too little for a large man doing exercise but then I also do think its worth trying something.
If you experiment with your body you will find what works for you in terms of lifestyle, getting the type of body you want and achieving your goals.
A word of caution though, try something for at least 3 months because if you keep trying different things all of the time you'll have no idea what works for you and in that time-frame stick to it and try to make it as scientific as possible. Take pictures, measurements and weight. Weight alone is useless as when you start exercising you'll be replacing fat with muscle so you may even find you end up somewhere around your starting weight depending on your current shape.
Good luck and stick with it!
Lee
JonnyFive said:
I've lost 1.5KG so far from using the same scales in the gym. Last night I burnt 1000 calories, just kept going. Didn't get tired, and only left at 11pm because it was getting late. Feel excellent this morning, legs ache but thats all.
Managed about 10 miles cycling and 5000 metres rowing. Alternating between rowing and cycling seemed to help.
Good stuff! Managed about 10 miles cycling and 5000 metres rowing. Alternating between rowing and cycling seemed to help.
For motivation I always think taking pictures (usually once a week or month) is a good way to keep up motivation as you should start to see dramatic changes in your shape using pictures.
You most likely won't using the mirror as we get used to seeing ourselves and its sometimes hard to spot change on a daily basis.
didelydoo said:
deadmau5 said:
Halb said:
deadmau5 said:
Stimulate fat loss. I find I can workout pretty well with a meal about 30 mins before hand.
http://elite-n.co.uk/id31.html
Say your workouts were going to be at 9 in the evening. When would you take ithttp://elite-n.co.uk/id31.html
The effects are wearing off a bit now thankfully, I've stopped sweating but still feel very awake.
It has the highly potent Yohimbine in it which is great for aiding fat loss around the stomach.
Halb said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Not entirely.
It has the highly potent Yohimbine in it which is great for aiding fat loss around the stomach.
It has the highly potent Yohimbine in it which is great for aiding fat loss around the stomach.
How does that work?
article said:
Medically, yohimbine is a pre-synaptic alpha-2-adrenergic blocking agent, also referred to as an alpha 2-adrenergic antagonist. This action increases sympathetic nervous system activity, and can result in increasing the amounts of epinephrine (also known as adrenaline) and norepinephrine in the blood stream. The sympathetic nervous system is involved in controlling the body's response to stress, and also triggers the fight or flight response.
Alpha-2 receptors are common in sites of the body that tend to preferentially accumulate fat; abdomen, breasts, buttocks and thighs. When exposed to circulating catecholamines, such as norepinephrine and epinephrine, alpha-2 receptor sites inhibit lipolysis (the release of fatty acids), while the beta receptors stimulate lipolysis. Generally speaking, epinephrine, norepinephrine, glucagon, adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), and growth hormone stimulate the release of fatty acids from adipose tissue into the blood stream. Once in the blood stream, fatty acids are usually rapidly oxidized if the fatty acid blood concentration is not elevated from fatty acid input resulting from a meal.
Generally, when fatty acid blood concentration is high, it favors fat storage, which results from over-eating and inactivity. Although, keeping in mind that fatty acids are always used for energy, it is the balance between the amount of fatty acids ingested versus their use for energy that determines how much ends up stored as fat. Of course, this is a rather simplistic explanation of fatty acid metabolism. There is much more involved in these fat storage/utilization dynamics, and those who want more insight on these dynamics should click on the link below to get more information on ISSA's SPN course book. In that book, I am able to delve into these dynamics in much more detail.
Hypothetically speaking, blocking the alpha-2 receptors might be useful during weight loss to free up the catecholamines like norepinephrine, making more available to stimulate beta receptor sites, resulting in a higher rate of lipolysis. Also, yohimbine, through its alpha 2-adrenergic receptor antagonist activity, has been shown to increase levels of norepinephrine in the blood stream.
Galitzky and coworkers observed during their 14- day study of yohimbine treatment that lipid-mobilizing effects were sustained during this study period. This research collaborated their earlier observations found using yohimbine as a lipid-mobilizing agent, as well as from the research of Lafontan and coworkers.
Alpha-2 receptors are common in sites of the body that tend to preferentially accumulate fat; abdomen, breasts, buttocks and thighs. When exposed to circulating catecholamines, such as norepinephrine and epinephrine, alpha-2 receptor sites inhibit lipolysis (the release of fatty acids), while the beta receptors stimulate lipolysis. Generally speaking, epinephrine, norepinephrine, glucagon, adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), and growth hormone stimulate the release of fatty acids from adipose tissue into the blood stream. Once in the blood stream, fatty acids are usually rapidly oxidized if the fatty acid blood concentration is not elevated from fatty acid input resulting from a meal.
Generally, when fatty acid blood concentration is high, it favors fat storage, which results from over-eating and inactivity. Although, keeping in mind that fatty acids are always used for energy, it is the balance between the amount of fatty acids ingested versus their use for energy that determines how much ends up stored as fat. Of course, this is a rather simplistic explanation of fatty acid metabolism. There is much more involved in these fat storage/utilization dynamics, and those who want more insight on these dynamics should click on the link below to get more information on ISSA's SPN course book. In that book, I am able to delve into these dynamics in much more detail.
Hypothetically speaking, blocking the alpha-2 receptors might be useful during weight loss to free up the catecholamines like norepinephrine, making more available to stimulate beta receptor sites, resulting in a higher rate of lipolysis. Also, yohimbine, through its alpha 2-adrenergic receptor antagonist activity, has been shown to increase levels of norepinephrine in the blood stream.
Galitzky and coworkers observed during their 14- day study of yohimbine treatment that lipid-mobilizing effects were sustained during this study period. This research collaborated their earlier observations found using yohimbine as a lipid-mobilizing agent, as well as from the research of Lafontan and coworkers.
deadmau5 said:
Ultimate Weight Loss Stack diary: Day 5
The effects don't seem to be as intense now, although I do sweat from my arm pits relentlessly for about 4 hours after taking. That sort of cold sweat if anyone knows the feeling. If I sit with my arms away from my body it's not as bad and I can just about avoid ringos!
I'm now 14st 1lb; 18lbs lost in 5 weeks. I still have a bit of fat at the bottom of my stomach I'd like to get rid of. Overall I'm very happy though. I also haven't done any cardio apart from playing football for 40 minutes once a week.
It will be interesting to see how you get on if you wouldn't mind keeping going with the log. The effects don't seem to be as intense now, although I do sweat from my arm pits relentlessly for about 4 hours after taking. That sort of cold sweat if anyone knows the feeling. If I sit with my arms away from my body it's not as bad and I can just about avoid ringos!
I'm now 14st 1lb; 18lbs lost in 5 weeks. I still have a bit of fat at the bottom of my stomach I'd like to get rid of. Overall I'm very happy though. I also haven't done any cardio apart from playing football for 40 minutes once a week.
My experience is there are very effective!
Sushi said:
Mightily pissed off. Went to gym yesterday and the scales were playing up, needle would go round then get stuck etc... so I went to reception and complained (I pay £60 a month, they can get some f
kign new scales in) only to be told, "oh yes, we know about that we're rplacing them with digital scales as they are reading incorrectly as well)
so fk me, they were reading 3 kgs light, so I was 128kg to start, and while I've still lost 12kg I'm currently sat at 116!
so only another 26 to go
you'd think they would realise how important these things are, you know being a gym and all.
On a side note, I'm now in a shirt and trousers I haven't ever been able to wear as they were always a bit tight around the man area. And my stomache no longer does that annoying thing where it flips my belt over when I'm sitting down. I've also started running/jogging on the treadmill, I can manage 2 mins walking 3 mins running for 25 minutes.
So some progress, but still a mountain to move.
As some incentive I went out and bought myself a pair of size 40 jeans, I can squeeze into them, but I'm aiming to fit them comfortably in 4-5 weeks.
Good effort Sushi thats some serious progress right there!kign new scales in) only to be told, "oh yes, we know about that we're rplacing them with digital scales as they are reading incorrectly as well)so f
k me, they were reading 3 kgs light, so I was 128kg to start, and while I've still lost 12kg I'm currently sat at 116!so only another 26 to go
you'd think they would realise how important these things are, you know being a gym and all.
On a side note, I'm now in a shirt and trousers I haven't ever been able to wear as they were always a bit tight around the man area. And my stomache no longer does that annoying thing where it flips my belt over when I'm sitting down. I've also started running/jogging on the treadmill, I can manage 2 mins walking 3 mins running for 25 minutes.
So some progress, but still a mountain to move.
As some incentive I went out and bought myself a pair of size 40 jeans, I can squeeze into them, but I'm aiming to fit them comfortably in 4-5 weeks.
How tall are you?
Lee
deadmau5 said:
Ultimate Weight Loss Stack: Day 7
The sweating has ceased! I feel like I've had a few cups of coffee, but there are no longer any unpleasant side effects. This might also mean I need to start increasing doses but I'm not going to do that until I've done some more research.
If I were you I'd check your BP before considering anything like that. I personally think increasing the dose is most likely a bad idea.The sweating has ceased! I feel like I've had a few cups of coffee, but there are no longer any unpleasant side effects. This might also mean I need to start increasing doses but I'm not going to do that until I've done some more research.
Hoofy said:
Juanco20 said:
Following stronglifts for next few months just to get some base strength and something to build on but don't feel like I'm doing enough and want to add in dips and pull ups/chin ups. Is there certain days when it makes more sense to add these in, such as doing dips on the bench press day or doing the pull ups on shoulder press day etc or does it really make no difference and just throw them in to every session?
Benching works the triceps so you could "finish them off" by doing tricep dips at the end of a session. Pull ups work the lats (and the triceps and biceps a little) so you could do them after bent over rows to finish the back off.Hoofy said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
My routine for killing my triceps or any other muscle I'm targeting it compound lifting, another exercise aimed at that muscle group and then a final exercise of usually 4 sets with short breaks in the first 3 sets and then for the final two sets I start by doing the exercise until I can do no more, then immediately reducing the weight and continuing with no break until my arms can do no more. For me this really squeezes the last bit out of the muscle.
Just to check, after the compound exercise, you do the focused exercise? If so, then I figured that would work (as you know, I think too much). I've only just started doing this.GBDG said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
My routine for killing my triceps or any other muscle I'm targeting it compound lifting, another exercise aimed at that muscle group and then a final exercise of usually 4 sets with short breaks in the first 3 sets and then for the final two sets I start by doing the exercise until I can do no more, then immediately reducing the weight and continuing with no break until my arms can do no more. For me this really squeezes the last bit out of the muscle.
This is a similar format to the workout plan I am following. I believe it's called drop sets. I've found them to work really well - with the added benefit of really walking out of the gym feeling like you've had a good workout. It really kills the muscle right! I always hurt from it.
BenM77 said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Hoofy said:
Will you lot ps off with your curry talk? 
I've just had a korma with coconut rice and garlic nans with the other half s off with your curry talk? 
£21 for both of us!
My local gives a 25% discount for pick up, me and the mrs had
Balti chicken tikka masala
Chicken rogan josh
Bombay potatoes
Keema naan
Keema rice
Pilau rice
£15.50 !
BenM77 said:
Hoofy said:
You'll have to learn to cook it yourself, then!
What is 209 to 200?
That is my weight ! My scales are in pounds What is 209 to 200?
I have a very physical job and tend to lose between 7-9 pounds through the rota, then I get 10days off and put a load back on. It is all will power as I have been overweight ten years ago (17stone!) which I dropped as low as 12.5stone. I want to drop to 189= 13stone 7pounds which I know is easy if I behave myself
Still even though I've had a horrible wrist injury thats got in the way of training a lot, I feel I'm made pretty decent progress over the past year.
I've still been experimenting with my coach and periodisation definitely suits me although I do lose strength doing high reps but it comes back quickly anyway when I change back over.
Edited by Ordinary_Chap on Sunday 13th May 10:31
DiseasalDriver said:
JonnyFive said:
I also think the same.. It sounds like they could be a laugh on a night out or something, but sat at work.. Not sure.
It's not a laugh!Having said that, I'm alert and pounding the keyboard. Seems to be aiding productivity.
I do believe even though some may find it questionable the right combination of these things can aid your career no end.
Boundless energy, focus and clarity can result in great results in work.
DiseasalDriver said:
deadmau5 said:
It's only 7 days of negative side effects. I had exactly the same effects as diseasal driver on my first day.
Are you seeing positive results from them now?Hoofy said:
How about finding a physio who has an interest in weight training? They'll understand your issue better than a generic physio, I suspect.
I have a physio for my wrist. She's not interested in weight lifting but I know I'd be interested in working out with her if you catch my drift 
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