PH Transformation Thread 2012 - Chat

[Ordinary_Chap]

BenM77 said:

An interesting site for the safe use of drugs in your later years

http://www.cenegenics.com/

There's one for Hoofy

[Ordinary_Chap]

BenM77 said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

BenM77 said:

An interesting site for the safe use of drugs in your later years

http://www.cenegenics.com/

There's one for Hoofy

Does the DC training fit your goals for size over your current split ? Does your trainer think it is worth a try ?

My coach is happy for me to try new things if I want, he just looks at what I want to do and helps me do it most effectively. His main focus for me is on periodisation and as I will be switching back to heavy training shortly he I'm sure wouldn't mind me doing DC training in that way.

He's a great guy and is easily the most knowledgeable person I've ever met on the subject. He's a big believer in trying new things and finding what fits for the person, he just makes sure the program and lifts are optimised, he also trains with me to make sure technique is good quality and I'm working hard enough. Although he usually asks me to tone it down a little as I'm most comfortable going balls out.

[Ordinary_Chap]

BenM77 said:

Lost_BMW said:

BenM77 said:

An interesting site for the safe use of drugs in your later years

http://www.cenegenics.com/

An excellent find! That's the sort of thing I was referring to. Note they use a low GI food based diet and 'hormone optimization.'

One well known physician in the US lobbied the govt. to provide one course of drugs per year for men aged 55+ to fight ageing and the health issues associated with it and di the same himself. I'll see if I can find the papers I cut out on him.

Funny how hormone replacement for women when the healthy level drops with age etc. is commonplace but for men, no just sod off and die slowly! If we are at our peak when younger with an 'ideal' level of hormones why not try to keep them at that level as they decline through age? Seems perfect sense to me but clearly not to our govt. or doctors. I have tried with mine btw - no chance, not even if I pay rather than expecting it on the NHS so either nada or risk whatever unknown product a black market dealer would supply.

It is mad, if they made it legal and controlled then I can't see a problem. I remembered this site being linked a few years ago on menshealth, just couldn't remember the name. I am sure you can get it sent over as part of a treatment all above board, don't think it would be cheap though !

I suppose if you knew your sources and what you were doing then you could put something together yourself.

As it happens I know a few guys on TRT of different types and some Doctors will prescribe it. One chap I've watched change very rapidly since having treatment, he's not grown into a monster or anything but he has dropped a huge amount of fat whilst keeping the same diet and training.

[Ordinary_Chap]

Hoofy said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

Random question has anyone on here tried the DC (dog crap) method of training? I've always loved the idea of being able to train each muscle twice a week but I'm not sure how good it would be for a natural with the recovery periods?

Is the DC method just about training twice a week? If so, what's terrible about it? As long as you've recovered, it doesn't matter whether it's every day or once a year - as long as the muscles have recovered. Going back to my climbing experiences, I found that climbing 2-3 times a week (and no, you can't focus on using different muscles each session... unless you want to lie at the bottom) resulted in the biggest growth of relevant muscles.

It's quite an extreme method in doing things like rest-pause in addition to the training (although it can be dropped), essentially for us that have trained one body part a week its going to be a shock to the system even if it uses less sets. It also includes things like extreme stretching.

Recovery is focused on with a lot of food and protein. Most who do it use more than 500g of protein a day I've been told.

I'm willing to seek some assistance from DC (or buy the program if you like) and see how I go. His results over hundreds of folk who have done it have been extremely impressive.

[Ordinary_Chap]

BenM77 said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

BenM77 said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

BenM77 said:

An interesting site for the safe use of drugs in your later years

http://www.cenegenics.com/

There's one for Hoofy

Does the DC training fit your goals for size over your current split ? Does your trainer think it is worth a try ?

My coach is happy for me to try new things if I want, he just looks at what I want to do and helps me do it most effectively. His main focus for me is on periodisation and as I will be switching back to heavy training shortly he I'm sure wouldn't mind me doing DC training in that way.

He's a great guy and is easily the most knowledgeable person I've ever met on the subject. He's a big believer in trying new things and finding what fits for the person, he just makes sure the program and lifts are optimised, he also trains with me to make sure technique is good quality and I'm working hard enough. Although he usually asks me to tone it down a little as I'm most comfortable going balls out.

He does sound very good and your results speak for themselves, I think if you are going heavy again soon then the DC is well worth a try. I know Didleydoo used to squat more than once per week ok.

Thanks!

[Ordinary_Chap]

Lost_BMW said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

for us that have trained one body part a week its going to be a shock to the system even if it uses less sets.

When I started lifting back in the early 80s the usual method was each bodypart twice per week with some doing certain parts three times or, more commonly, whole body type sessions three times per week.

That's pretty much what I did for years and looking back it would seem like most current guru's over training - loads of sets and different exercises per part, two or three per session and twice a week but that's how I got my initial gains.

It wasn't until I got back into lifting (reading about it) after a long lay off or periods of just home based maintenance work that I suddenly noticed the shift and most people saying do each thing just once a week or so. I've done that as well since then and still gained but ought to do a back-to-back experiment for a few weeks of each to really see how it affects me I guess. It seems most pro bodybuilders say they do this and the I know others on here or the training thread have reported getting better gains going to once per week or similar but lately I have seen some articles ('need something new to write?) that seem to suggest a shift back?

I don't know that it matters if the training is hard, smart and efective and the diet up to the demands bit it would be interesting to hear if you feel it helps or hinders you.

Thats pretty interesting!

DC has been training like this for over 20 years and in some ways I think he's really got his thoughts nailed and the proof is in the 500 odd clients that have made dramatic changes. The pictures he can post of changes his clients have made are almost endless!

If I do it (I most likely will in the next few months I will document it).

Lee

[Ordinary_Chap]

goldblum said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

Lost_BMW said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

for us that have trained one body part a week its going to be a shock to the system even if it uses less sets.

When I started lifting back in the early 80s the usual method was each bodypart twice per week with some doing certain parts three times or, more commonly, whole body type sessions three times per week.

That's pretty much what I did for years and looking back it would seem like most current guru's over training - loads of sets and different exercises per part, two or three per session and twice a week but that's how I got my initial gains.

It wasn't until I got back into lifting (reading about it) after a long lay off or periods of just home based maintenance work that I suddenly noticed the shift and most people saying do each thing just once a week or so. I've done that as well since then and still gained but ought to do a back-to-back experiment for a few weeks of each to really see how it affects me I guess. It seems most pro bodybuilders say they do this and the I know others on here or the training thread have reported getting better gains going to once per week or similar but lately I have seen some articles ('need something new to write?) that seem to suggest a shift back?

I don't know that it matters if the training is hard, smart and efective and the diet up to the demands bit it would be interesting to hear if you feel it helps or hinders you.

Thats pretty interesting!

DC has been training like this for over 20 years and in some ways I think he's really got his thoughts nailed and the proof is in the 500 odd clients that have made dramatic changes. The pictures he can post of changes his clients have made are almost endless!

If I do it (I most likely will in the next few months I will document it).

Lee

DC doesn't have the monopoly on training bodyparts twice a week,it used to be relatively common practice until a few years ago.I trained this way for a few years and it does work.You can,if you're careful, pump your chest up on a Monday then hit it again on a Thursday and get even more pump.Thing is that you can't lift really heavy or totally smash a bodypart because the law of diminishing returns comes into play later that week when you train that bodypart again and it's obvious it's still a bit tired.That's why I never stuck to it for long,maybe twice a week for 6 weeks then train heavier once a week for 6 weeks.Remember you basically split your once a week workout into 2 and up the poundage by 5-10% but keep the reps and add perhaps 1 set as that's where the gains come in but should you push too hard you feel it much,much quicker.

Oh I understand it wasn't DC who invented or espoused such practices originally. DC actually talks in some of his posts about people who he learn't from and influenced his thinking. I was actually referring to his system as a whole rest/pause, eating plans and other things like extreme stretching.

I think you're right about not being able to do it continuously, as it takes too much. DC calls it blast/cruise, during the cruise weeks essentially eat less, train lightly and train less often.

He actually believes when this is done correctly the person should also gain considerable amounts of strength because he also believes strength has to come before size.

[Ordinary_Chap]

Hoofy said:

Well done, fatpasty!

That John Terry is even taking credit for weight loss success now?

Seconded! Well fatpasty!

I did a 60 day challenge and I think that may of what kicked off these transformation threads!

Keep us updated! the JT faces are pretty funny on the pics...

[Ordinary_Chap]

fatpasty said:

Cheers chaps. Will keep things posted in here and on the Insanity thread.

Looking forward to day 2 believe this is going to be a lot harder than one thought but I'm definitely up for the challenge.

Remember diet is important to stop aches and pains and also remember to listen to your body.

Strangely I find as others have that sipping BCAA's helps reduce aching after training although I haven't seen any research as to why that maybe.

[Ordinary_Chap]

deadmau5 said:

didelydoo said:

Smitters said:

Yeah - I guess his workouts are more oriented toward my focus, which is functional, bodyweight, high power to weight ratio work. You'll not get a massive deadlift or bench from the circuits I'm sure!

What does 'functional' mean in this context? I often see functional strength being mentioned, wondered it is.

I always assumed it was 'strength that is useful outside of the gym'.

It's all well and good being able to press 100kg above your head, but how often will you use that strength in your day to day life?

What is 'strength that is useful outside of the gym'?

Surely the more overall strength you have, the easier any challenge would be unless we are talking about endurance?

I'm with didely, I don't understand why these phrases refer too?

[Ordinary_Chap]

Smitters said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

What is 'strength that is useful outside of the gym'?

Surely the more overall strength you have, the easier any challenge would be unless we are talking about endurance?

I'm with didely, I don't understand why these phrases refer too?

For me, it's always been a very personal description. So, since my hobbies are climbing, cycling, running and hillwalking so functional strength is being able to pull myself about, control my core movements and shoulder a biggish pack and still walk up steep hills.

So, while I have lot of value in doing the gym classics, like deadlift, squat and so on, there is limited advantage is chasing maximal outright strength as it wouldn't help me achieve or excel in the hobbies I have. Example, I'm 13kg lighter now than in February, so whilst my bench hasn't improved much, my press-ups have, simply because I'm moving less weight. Since this has relevance to most of my hobbies, this is a good thing. The best climbers in the Tour de France are also not the guys with the big sprinter's legs...

In a wider context, I think functional strength means being able to function in life without difficulty, so being able to lift, carry, hold and so on. A new mother would develop stronger arms over the next year from holding a baby often.

There's a lot of argument for the lay person to then be doing an exercise regime that delivers "functional strength", to help avoid back injury, posture issues, life's general aches and pains that so many complain of without considering they might be related to the amount of time spent in front of a TV or monitor (ahem...). However, I recognise that the majority in the Transformation Contest are after strength related goals and thus already regularly do what the lay person would think of as a lot of exercise.

Good post and it all sounds very logical! I guess its completely subjective to the person.

[Ordinary_Chap]

Halb said:

Good post smitters. I am sort of the same. I realise that more than half of my exercises are now bodyweight.
Still have bench and press in there though.
I like the idea if being able to deal/cope with anything. Run 6 miles, lift a heavy weight and then storm the castle to rescue the maiden that is hoofy.

Smitters said:

Yeah - I guess his workouts are more oriented toward my focus, which is functional, bodyweight, high power to weight ratio work. You'll not get a massive deadlift or bench from the circuits I'm sure!

I haven't watched his vids. But from his physique I thought he was a bodybuilder?

[quote=goldblum...shrugs are specific to carrying the shopping bags

My mum probably ha a better shrug than me.

Edited by Halb on Tuesday 3rd July 16:30

[Ordinary_Chap]

Well done Sushi! Thats some epic loss, keep it up buddy.

As for the rest of you slackers, you're getting creamed by Sushi, time to pull your fingers out!

I love seeing folk being successful, its so motivating and its a great lesson for others in a similar position as to what is possible if you put your mind too it.

Lee

[Ordinary_Chap]

Well done Sushi, I was thinking yesterday it was a little quiet in the here recently.

I'm not sure what to suggest about the nose running issue except I often have the same, I usually put it down to the suddenly level of exercise and the changed atmospheric conditions.

Lee

[Ordinary_Chap]

I've been slacking as of late due to the company car going back (end of lease) and subsequently finding public transport a complete pain and on top of that I've been sick again.

I'm just trying to complete a purchase of a Impreza RB5 which will be the first time in quite a few years I've not had some dull modern car but then I'm only doing 6 miles a day now. I wanted to buy a car that is ballistic but cheap as I've grown tired of car costs although I'm fortunate money isn't a problem I do resent paying lots out on modern dull cars that give me zero pleasure.

Realistically I'm going to be in a holding pattern for the rest of the year then I'd like to spend maybe a month off through December and really hit it in the new year once the house move is complete and holiday etc are out of the way.

[Ordinary_Chap]

LordGrover said:

As you raised the topic of new cars, that is a fine excuse for me to mention I have a GT-86 on order - due mid-August.
I'll miss the Zed but quite looking forward to the 86.

Very nice! I want to see pics when you get it! Beautiful looking car!

[Ordinary_Chap]

BenM77 said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

Realistically I'm going to be in a holding pattern for the rest of the year then I'd like to spend maybe a month off through December and really hit it in the new year once the house move is complete and holiday etc are out of the way.

Fed up with cutting for the crap summer we are having ?

No sorry, I'm still doing that but I just mean I'm not going to be making any significant changes this year with all that is going on and my ropey health.

[Ordinary_Chap]

Lost_BMW said:

Panorama on sports products just started - looks like a slagging for some products!

Thanks buddy, I've just put it on after seeing your post!

Lee

[Ordinary_Chap]

Lost_BMW said:

Oops, BCAAs next in line!

I said a couple of days back the science is shaky for BCAA's as;

1. Its tested on rats &
2. Half of the studies are disagree with each other

However saying all of that I've found I feel far less aches after using BCAA's so I've come to the conclusion they either help with recovery or just help reduce the feeling of aches.

[Ordinary_Chap]

Thats pretty good! I've been slacking lately due to work, illness and being car-less!

I've got my new car sorted today which I'm really happy about, its by a huge margin the oldest car I've ever owned! I've always been fortunate that I've either bought new or had company cars and now I've gone in a completely different direction and I'm happy about it!

http://pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&amp...

I'm going to start early morning running again now! I was getting up at 5.30am to get in work on time but now I can get up at 6, have my run and still get to work on good time which is a bonus!