Fitness gurus on the juice...
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I have kept saying....I have zero issue with people doing steroids at whatever level they like. My point was profiting from it while suggesting those gains could be had naturally feels dangerous now the ones saying that are much closer to home than bodybuilders of old. Or maybe not, maybe (as I said) it’s no different to muscle and fitness magazine in the 80’s???
gregs656 said:
MC Bodge said:
I too was wondering why he'd started the thread given that he is doing something similar himself.
There does seem to be a bit of inconsistency about the motivation for doing so and a certain amount of apparent denial too....
It's like driving isn't it? Anyone who is going slower than you is an idiot and any one who is going faster is a risk taking moron.There does seem to be a bit of inconsistency about the motivation for doing so and a certain amount of apparent denial too....
Tiggsy said:
I have a little (and I mean LITTLE) youtube channel that I occasional put something on that relates to my fitness regime. The other day I had a comment from someone in relation to an ultra marathon I'd run which was basically saying....you do that at 220lbs + you must be on gear. I laughed it off as I don't look remotely big but...as my endurance times get better, I came 3rd in a 10 mile trail run the other day, I am finishing with people much smaller than me. And I'm on TRT - so a grey area. With a couple of thousand subs (tiny) I pondered what my response would be if asked outright - I don't want to dilute my message which is "at any age, you can be better than most with some effort" but wouldn't want to outright lie. Anyway, for me, with my dinky little hobby channel it's neither here nor there really.
I'm a little confused. So you are pretending to your followers that you do not have pharmaceutical assistance, and claiming that anybody can do it without, but criticising others for doing the same thing?
But yours is just a hobby, so that's OK?
ORD said:
GG89 said:
What's your thoughts on Mike Thurston? Absolutely incredible physique, claims natural, in ibiza 5 times a year partying...
You have to be kidding, right? He's doing bodybuilder levels of PEDs!Tiggsy said:
I have kept saying....I have zero issue with people doing steroids at whatever level they like. My point was profiting from it while suggesting those gains could be had naturally feels dangerous now the ones saying that are much closer to home..
I frequent another forum where there is an 'exercise and health' section. Certain members discuss bodybuilding, but it is not a dedicated bodybuilding forum. There are a few posters who quite clearly take 'roids of some description - neverending progression, never any talk about preventing catabolism on a cut, constant boasts about PBs etc., and the less aware/younger posters respond and stroke the egos of these people. And that's all it really is - steroids build ego and amplify narcissism. As to the danger - from comments it's obvious a lot of the other posters haven't the first clue these guys are using, but clearly they look up to these posters with envy. The forum is a platform to boast for the users, but they're not being honest... .My use of TRT doesn’t make any difference to my videos. The most popular of which is me changing the clutch on my motorbike! If I stopped TRT tomorrow my videos would look the same, I’d look the same. When I vlog about a motorbike trip, no one cares about my hormones. I don’t profit from it anyway. My sports message, what little there is of it on there, is not be like me – it is get out and do something because it’s cool to do so.
I am talking about people who, if they stopped the drug use, would look very different and their message would become very different.
Again, I have no issue with somebody suggesting that those two things are identical. I’m just surprised to hear it.
I am talking about people who, if they stopped the drug use, would look very different and their message would become very different.
Again, I have no issue with somebody suggesting that those two things are identical. I’m just surprised to hear it.
Also, ultimately, I would happily discuss TRT within my videos if they became more commonly linked to sporting stuff I do. I haven’t done thus far simply because it hasn’t been relevant. Because nothing I do requires TRT I doubt it would make much difference other than attract people specifically interested in the subject I suppose? My latest video is about mounting my fun run medals in acrylic resin – it would be an odd departure to veer off into steroids halfway through ??
Tiggsy said:
Also, ultimately, I would happily discuss TRT within my videos if they became more commonly linked to sporting stuff I do. I haven’t done thus far simply because it hasn’t been relevant. Because nothing I do requires TRT I doubt it would make much difference other than attract people specifically interested in the subject I suppose? My latest video is about mounting my fun run medals in acrylic resin – it would be an odd departure to veer off into steroids halfway through ??
You say that, but you never mention it on posts on here when you talk about your achievements.For example on your sub 20m parkrun thread you didn't mention TRT at all - that's a good example actually as the time line of many of the things you talk about is consistent with you starting on TRT.
gregs656 said:
Tiggsy said:
Also, ultimately, I would happily discuss TRT within my videos if they became more commonly linked to sporting stuff I do. I haven’t done thus far simply because it hasn’t been relevant. Because nothing I do requires TRT I doubt it would make much difference other than attract people specifically interested in the subject I suppose? My latest video is about mounting my fun run medals in acrylic resin – it would be an odd departure to veer off into steroids halfway through ??
You say that, but you never mention it on posts on here when you talk about your achievements.For example on your sub 20m parkrun thread you didn't mention TRT at all - that's a good example actually as the time line of many of the things you talk about is consistent with you starting on TRT.
I suppose the options are a) never mention it b) never mention any thing I achieve c) mention it and deal with it becoming the story when it isn't
Genuinely very new to it so finding the best way as I go. The idea of sticking it on you tube appeals - I just don't want to have my comments section full of "of course you can do that - you're on drugs" when it's a video about installing a new chain on my bike!!
mcelliott said:
Jeez TRT has given you probably an improvement of maybe 10% or whatever at your top end, a middle aged bloke doing a few runs, it not like he's got a full program of EPO use going on and winning s
t loads of money to boot.
Hey......pump your brakes Voucher for 15% discount on dog food if I win my race on Saturday (and NO...the dog is not on gear)t loads of money to boot.
ORD said:
Do we even know that very modest T doses improve performance substantially? I would be slightly surprised if they did, given that natural T levels don’t seem to correlate very strongly with athletic performance.
I know some absurdly strong guys with low T levels.
It cannot not increase protein synthesis to a level un achievable naturally. I know some absurdly strong guys with low T levels.
markcoznottz said:
ORD said:
Do we even know that very modest T doses improve performance substantially? I would be slightly surprised if they did, given that natural T levels don’t seem to correlate very strongly with athletic performance.
I know some absurdly strong guys with low T levels.
It cannot not increase protein synthesis to a level un achievable naturally. I know some absurdly strong guys with low T levels.
Halb said:
Do you ache less, Tiggsy?
Hard to say. Early in the season I would ache bad after an endurance event but then started using cbd oil on those days....weirdly good. Would wake up feeling great and rested even if I’d be toast the day before. On TRT I’ve been able to ramp up training and still can counter aches with CBD. How much the TRT helps I don’t know. Bottom line, I beat myself up a lot for a heavy old man. Good sleep, cbd, daily sauna and massage = not much regarding aches. Hard to say which bit is responsible. Bit if each I expect. It’s an aspect I love. I did a heavy back session Monday. Did some dead hang work yesterday for grip/hang strength but back feels good so I’ll be at the climbing wall tomorrow morning for an hour. I also did deadlifts today but will be fine to run 15k on Thursday as my last run before a 15k race the weekend (with dog). A lot is motivation it provides in the head....but no doubt it’s doing something physical. It can’t all be placebo.
Edited by Tiggsy on Tuesday 28th January 22:47
markcoznottz said:
ORD said:
GG89 said:
What's your thoughts on Mike Thurston? Absolutely incredible physique, claims natural, in ibiza 5 times a year partying...
You have to be kidding, right? He's doing bodybuilder levels of PEDs!I think matt was clean until a few years ago but recently even with his crappy diet piled on the pounds.
Have you seen gymshark sponsored influencers, pretty much all on gear. It amazing it's so easy to get hold of and nothing has been done to clamp down on it.
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