Vaccine side effects

[RipTrip1]

isaldiri said:

And it's pointless in terms of a daft govt mandate for the public to be forced to mask up which has nothing to do with why a surgeon may or may not wear one while working....

Worse than that is an issue everyone likes to sweep under the rug, perhaps literally. The obscene amount of discarded masks. It's becoming a real problem. Can't walk down the street without seeing sights like this anymore.



Not like they degrade quickly either.

[bodhi]

bmwmike said:

anti mask people - why do surgeons wear them if they are pointless?

- To stop splash back from the procedures they are doing
- To stop contamination of the patient

However it's not really a valid example as

- They are properly fitted
- They only wear them for a certain amount of time
- They have an assistant to mop their brow and adjust the mask if needed
- If a surgeon has a respiratory illness they tend not to operate, as the mask won't stop anything.
- Surgery tends to be a sterile environment. Tesco isn't.

Good read on their use below - even in a clinical setting, the evidence that they do much isn't particularly compelling...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44805...

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

RipTrip1 said:

isaldiri said:

And it's pointless in terms of a daft govt mandate for the public to be forced to mask up which has nothing to do with why a surgeon may or may not wear one while working....

Worse than that is an issue everyone likes to sweep under the rug, perhaps literally. The obscene amount of discarded masks. It's becoming a real problem. Can't walk down the street without seeing sights like this anymore.



Not like they degrade quickly either.

Now this I totally agree with. It's absolutely disgraceful. I also work in direct-contact healthcare and I have to wear a gloves and plastic apron for every patient I see. The amount of waste is absolutely horrific. So bad for the environment.

At least I don't chuck it on the floor like some scum.

[RipTrip1]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

At least I don't chuck it on the floor like some scum.

I'm sure some do that but I bet a high amount are accidental purely due to how they are used.
Mask and wallet shoved in a tight jean pocket. Pull wallet out, mask obviously comes out with it and falls on the floor without realising.

[paulguitar]

Ashfordian said:

Actually you probably won't be sat next to me as I have decided to book to turn left when I get on the plane to make the airport and plane experience a much better one and so I don't have to put up with s like you .

You actually posted that. Unbelievable.

[Maximus_Meridius101]

paulguitar said:

You actually posted that. Unbelievable.

“Turn left on the plane”

[APontus]

Isn't it Zoolander who can't turn left?

[Leptons]

Maximus_Meridius101 said:

paulguitar said:

You actually posted that. Unbelievable.

“Turn left on the plane”

[Turn7]

On a serious note, a very good friend of mine, who was prior to being being given the AZ,was fully fit and healthy is now seriousy ill in hospital after developing Guillard Barre syndrome......

[RipTrip1]

Turn7 said:

On a serious note, a very good friend of mine, who was prior to being being given the AZ,was fully fit and healthy is now seriousy ill in hospital after developing Guillard Barre syndrome......

'He must have had GB syndrome before having the vaccine'
'He must have Covid which caused GB syndrome'
'The vaccine has no serious side effects'

I have some more but my internet connection is slow today, please stand by

[anonymous-user]

Turn7 said:

On a serious note, a very good friend of mine, who was prior to being being given the AZ,was fully fit and healthy is now seriousy ill in hospital after developing Guillard Barre syndrome......

https://www.who.int/news/item/26-07-2021-statement-of-the-who-gacvs-covid-19-subcommittee-on-gbs

The thing is any mass roll out will led to people deaths/ complications. They will have worked a number out that means it is lower than how many cv19 kills. I'm not a fan of mass vaccinations should have just concentrated on the ones that needed it.

We all as the cattle in this mass system we live in, just boil down to numbers.

[Kiribati268]

To get back on topic...

I'm on the fence about having the first dose, however, it's becoming obvious i'll need it if I want to travel anywhere (in the next couple of years at least).

I'm in my 20s, fit and healthy and bar a cold once a year, never get ill. Covid is of no risk to me but it's looking like i'll *have* to have it to live a normal life going forward.

I'm not against vaccines, I paid money to have some when I went to Asia, but the risks of taking the vaccine outweigh the risk of covid for me.

The potential of being rough, sleepless nights, flu like symptoms and unknown long term effects are making me hesitant. Never in my life have I had a vaccine that has side effects affecting a lot of people.

Can anyone help in confirming or rebutting my fears?

[Evanivitch]

RipTrip1 said:

'He must have had GB syndrome before having the vaccine'
'He must have Covid which caused GB syndrome'
'The vaccine has no serious side effects'

I have some more but my internet connection is slow today, please stand by

And yet no one is saying any of that, because it's a known risk of the vaccine. An incredibly small one, and very unfortunate for this person.

[Teddy Lop]

Turn7 said:

On a serious note, a very good friend of mine, who was prior to being being given the AZ,was fully fit and healthy is now seriousy ill in hospital after developing Guillard Barre syndrome......

I was in a house the other day, of the 4 of them 3 were affected, the girls so seriously they've been told they can't have their 2nd jabs - constant pain and skin outbreaks. For some time. Docs unsure or not saying why.

I wish they wouldn't play around with reporting numbers, all it does is make people that have a balance of healthy skepticism but ultimately do not wish to distrust (such as myself) more dubious and gives platform to the crazies.

But seems to be the way things are done today, binary reduction to the moron level.

[Evanivitch]

Teddy Lop said:

I was in a house the other day, of the 4 of them 3 were affected, the girls so seriously they've been told they can't have their 2nd jabs - constant pain and skin outbreaks. For some time. Docs unsure or not saying why.

I wish they wouldn't play around with reporting numbers, all it does is make people that have a balance of healthy skepticism but ultimately do not wish to distrust (such as myself) more dubious and gives platform to the crazies.

But seems to be the way things are done today, binary reduction to the moron level.

3 people living together? The jab isn't the only thing they have in common...

[grudas]

Kiribati268 said:

To get back on topic...


The potential of being rough, sleepless nights, flu like symptoms and unknown long term effects are making me hesitant. Never in my life have I had a vaccine that has side effects affecting a lot of people.

I'm 30, got both - last was friday.

1st : no side effects bar a little pain in injection area
2nd : pain in the area, tired in the evening, fever through the next day and fine now.

if you catch covid you'll be often ill/sick for way longer than 1 day or two.

my mate who is mid 20s just came out from hospital, again healthy no issues ever kinda guy.

4 weeks with covid, 2 in hospital so bad at points that wife had to reply to messages.

I weighted my chances and decided that having a day or two with some side effects(which are normal for when immune system is dealing with vaccine) is better than catching covid. If I get away like many and have it for a week or two it is still worse than one night with fever. If I get it bad like him, then I'm done for 4-6 weeks and he's got months to recover properly - he still can't speak clearly, has oxygen just in case and has perm lung damage. I don't want to risk any of that.

it is totally personal choice but for me vaccine v covid, vaccine wins as side effects are a day-two long. Long term is unknown with either.. in his case his lungs are damaged and will never recover. What will vaccine do in 20-30 years? no idea. what will covid do in 20-30 years? no idea.

no one knows I think.

[glazbagun]

Just had second dose of AZ, barely felt it go in this time.

Last time had really bad shakes after about six hours, which disappeared after about 20 mins, not sure what that was about, and felt st for two days straight.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Kiribati268 said:

To get back on topic...

I'm on the fence about having the first dose, however, it's becoming obvious i'll need it if I want to travel anywhere (in the next couple of years at least).

I'm in my 20s, fit and healthy and bar a cold once a year, never get ill. Covid is of no risk to me but it's looking like i'll *have* to have it to live a normal life going forward.

I'm not against vaccines, I paid money to have some when I went to Asia, but the risks of taking the vaccine outweigh the risk of covid for me.

The potential of being rough, sleepless nights, flu like symptoms and unknown long term effects are making me hesitant. Never in my life have I had a vaccine that has side effects affecting a lot of people.

Can anyone help in confirming or rebutting my fears?

The reason you've never had a vaccine that gives side effects to so many people is that there isn't a vaccine that's been given to as many people in such a short period of time, ever. If everyone got the flu jab then it wouldn't be any different.

I'm 32, had both doses (Astra Zeneca, first dose Jan, second dose April) and I haven't had a blood clot or died. I had literally no symptoms. Not even a sore arm. I am very healthy though, whole natural foods diet, supplement with a number of things, run 50 miles/week and cycle a bit too with a BMI of 19. I actually got a cold a few weeks ago (last 3 days) which was my first cold for almost 5 years! Got over it quickly enough though.

[isaldiri]

Kiribati268 said:

To get back on topic...

I'm on the fence about having the first dose, however, it's becoming obvious i'll need it if I want to travel anywhere (in the next couple of years at least).

I'm in my 20s, fit and healthy and bar a cold once a year, never get ill. Covid is of no risk to me but it's looking like i'll *have* to have it to live a normal life going forward.

I'm not against vaccines, I paid money to have some when I went to Asia, but the risks of taking the vaccine outweigh the risk of covid for me.

The potential of being rough, sleepless nights, flu like symptoms and unknown long term effects are making me hesitant. Never in my life have I had a vaccine that has side effects affecting a lot of people.

Can anyone help in confirming or rebutting my fears?

Well, it's probably fair to say the risks of the vaccine are almost certainly not going to outweigh the risk of covid for you tbh. That said, as a healthy 20 something, it's a very small risk being swapped for another extremely small risk in your case and ultimately isn't really a meaningful risk either way.

It shouldn't be something that is coerced although that's how it has turned out unfortunately.

[Ashfordian]

Kiribati268 said:

To get back on topic...

I'm on the fence about having the first dose, however, it's becoming obvious i'll need it if I want to travel anywhere (in the next couple of years at least).

Can anyone help in confirming or rebutting my fears?

Greece and Spain are open, no matter what your vaccine status is.

Regarding foreign travel, the whole situation is so fluid that I am only considering holidays on a season-by-season basis. So this Summer/Autumn looks OK, if not nervous, but I'm expecting lots if not all to be shutdown over the winter with it opening again under unknown rules in spring 2022.

I think holidays are going to be impulsive decisions over the next 12 months as any long term planning looks difficult

Edited by Ashfordian on Monday 2nd August 16:17