Fruit Juice vs Diet Coke: Best for losing weight?
Discussion
RichB said:
Fatman2 said:
I don't think it's clear cut..
Of course it's clear cut. Assuming you're on a proper diet and excercise regime then if you are thirsty a diet coke is better than 50 cals of fruit juice. It has been found that although diet drinks obviously contain fewer calories, it is often the case that ingesting sweeteners leads to additional food cravings.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1578260/Die...
As with any research there is always a question mark as to the reliability of results but like I said, it's not clear cut.
Obviously if you're on a strictly controlled diet and drink diet coke instead of fruit juice then yes, the calorie deficit is going to benefit but 'if' artificial sweeteners make you more hungry then you are less likely to sustain a strict diet.
Edited by Fatman2 on Tuesday 19th April 20:33
All good advice, cheers guys. I'll probably go back to diet coke but be more mindful of having to resist eating crisps etc if/when it makes me hungry!
I used to drink Coke Zero but I found it never seemed to really quench my thirst, and it also gave me a headache after a while, so that's not an option for me.
I used to drink Coke Zero but I found it never seemed to really quench my thirst, and it also gave me a headache after a while, so that's not an option for me.
Rarely drink the stuff myself but the TV research was carried out with a bunch of rugby players. One team drank water/fruit juice after the match whilst the other diet drinks.
They then put on a spread and asked both teams to tuck in as much as they liked. Oddly enough it was pretty clear cut that those that had drunk the diet drinks massively over ate.
Hardly conclusive (sports/nutrition research never is) but they were highlighting that the false sugar leads to some sort of calorie deprivation that the body subsequently tries to compensate for.
They then put on a spread and asked both teams to tuck in as much as they liked. Oddly enough it was pretty clear cut that those that had drunk the diet drinks massively over ate.
Hardly conclusive (sports/nutrition research never is) but they were highlighting that the false sugar leads to some sort of calorie deprivation that the body subsequently tries to compensate for.
Fatman2 said:
Rarely drink the stuff myself but the TV research was carried out with a bunch of rugby players. One team drank water/fruit juice after the match whilst the other diet drinks.
They then put on a spread and asked both teams to tuck in as much as they liked. Oddly enough it was pretty clear cut that those that had drunk the diet drinks massively over ate.
Hardly conclusive (sports/nutrition research never is) but they were highlighting that the false sugar leads to some sort of calorie deprivation that the body subsequently tries to compensate for.
The OP is on a diet and watching his cal intake....we have to assume that, if offered to stuff his face, he wouldnt!They then put on a spread and asked both teams to tuck in as much as they liked. Oddly enough it was pretty clear cut that those that had drunk the diet drinks massively over ate.
Hardly conclusive (sports/nutrition research never is) but they were highlighting that the false sugar leads to some sort of calorie deprivation that the body subsequently tries to compensate for.
Tiggsy said:
The OP is on a diet and watching his cal intake....we have to assume that, if offered to stuff his face, he wouldnt!
Indeed!Hence why I'm asking about a drink which is 50cal/250ml! (Snacks have reduced nil bar 1x bag baked crips /day and fruit.)
But it's still good to be aware that drinking a 'diet' soft drink like coke zero or diet coke could make me feel hungrier than if I'd drunk something like water, which has (appz) the same calories (none) but no artificial sweetener which might induce a craving later.
mrmr96 said:
Tiggsy said:
The OP is on a diet and watching his cal intake....we have to assume that, if offered to stuff his face, he wouldnt!
Indeed!Hence why I'm asking about a drink which is 50cal/250ml! (Snacks have reduced nil bar 1x bag baked crips /day and fruit.)
But it's still good to be aware that drinking a 'diet' soft drink like coke zero or diet coke could make me feel hungrier than if I'd drunk something like water, which has (appz) the same calories (none) but no artificial sweetener which might induce a craving later.
Ultimately though, given the choice of the two, I'd still opt for the fruit juice and give the coke a miss, even if it means an extra 50 kcals. Coke is nasty stuff and the acid/fizz/chemicals etc. are not particularly good for you.
A better option would be to water down fresh orange juice or drink a good quality squash.
How much weight are you trying to lose and how much do you currently weigh?
I've put this on another thread but snacking is fine providing it's balanced i.e. nuts/seeds/Greek yoghurt/peanut butter sandwiches etc. Fruit on it's own is not that good as a snack (contrary to what you might think) as there's no protien to supplement the carbs/sugar. The baked crips (nice as they are) will definitely leave you wanting as they'll give you nothing except another 100 kcals. If you're going to take in 100 kcals then two glasses of orange juice would definitely be the better option.
Your body requires sugars, dieting is all down to the types of sugars you eat/drink.
A glass of OJ after excercise is not going to pile on the pounds and will do you a lot more good than a can of Diet Coke.
The best way to lose weight and not get the urge to pig out is moderate eating of healthy foods and excercise. Cutting good foods because they may contain natural sugars or complex carbohydrates will make your body crave food more.
A glass of OJ after excercise is not going to pile on the pounds and will do you a lot more good than a can of Diet Coke.
The best way to lose weight and not get the urge to pig out is moderate eating of healthy foods and excercise. Cutting good foods because they may contain natural sugars or complex carbohydrates will make your body crave food more.
Big E 118 said:
Your body requires sugars, dieting is all down to the types of sugars you eat/drink.
A glass of OJ after excercise is not going to pile on the pounds and will do you a lot more good than a can of Diet Coke.
The best way to lose weight and not get the urge to pig out is moderate eating of healthy foods and excercise. Cutting good foods because they may contain natural sugars or complex carbohydrates will make your body crave food more.
Sorry but that is complete nonsense.A glass of OJ after excercise is not going to pile on the pounds and will do you a lot more good than a can of Diet Coke.
The best way to lose weight and not get the urge to pig out is moderate eating of healthy foods and excercise. Cutting good foods because they may contain natural sugars or complex carbohydrates will make your body crave food more.
Your body does not need sugars.
And removing sugars and complex carbs does not make you crave more after the first day or two for about 90% of the population.
ewenm said:
I'm confused. Is Diet Coke like 1kcal per 250ml or is it 1kcal per 250ml? If it's like 1kcal, how like 1kcal is it? 2kcal? 0.5kcal?
For the sake of discussion lets assume it is exactly 1.0 cal/250ml. Lets not let my use of language derail and otherwise useful thread. I wasn't sure exactly whether it was 1/250 or 1/500 but it's pretty immaterial. I should have said "about" not "like" so 'sorry for using conversational English on a message board'. Lets move on. Fatman2 said:
The stuffing the face bit wasn't what I was focusing on but ok, fair play
Ultimately though, given the choice of the two, I'd still opt for the fruit juice and give the coke a miss, even if it means an extra 50 kcals. Coke is nasty stuff and the acid/fizz/chemicals etc. are not particularly good for you.
A better option would be to water down fresh orange juice or drink a good quality squash.
How much weight are you trying to lose and how much do you currently weigh?
I've put this on another thread but snacking is fine providing it's balanced i.e. nuts/seeds/Greek yoghurt/peanut butter sandwiches etc. Fruit on it's own is not that good as a snack (contrary to what you might think) as there's no protien to supplement the carbs/sugar. The baked crips (nice as they are) will definitely leave you wanting as they'll give you nothing except another 100 kcals. If you're going to take in 100 kcals then two glasses of orange juice would definitely be the better option.
Was about 17st at the start of the year, now down to 15st 7lb but I've not lost any more in the last month or so. Diet has been the same as it was when I lost the first 1.5 stone, but it's stopped now. I want to get down to about 14st - 14.5s,t and then once I've got my weight down I'll work on putting a bit more muscle on. (Oh, I'm 5'10", so yeah, a bit porky at the momement, but going in the right direction now at least.)Ultimately though, given the choice of the two, I'd still opt for the fruit juice and give the coke a miss, even if it means an extra 50 kcals. Coke is nasty stuff and the acid/fizz/chemicals etc. are not particularly good for you.
A better option would be to water down fresh orange juice or drink a good quality squash.
How much weight are you trying to lose and how much do you currently weigh?
I've put this on another thread but snacking is fine providing it's balanced i.e. nuts/seeds/Greek yoghurt/peanut butter sandwiches etc. Fruit on it's own is not that good as a snack (contrary to what you might think) as there's no protien to supplement the carbs/sugar. The baked crips (nice as they are) will definitely leave you wanting as they'll give you nothing except another 100 kcals. If you're going to take in 100 kcals then two glasses of orange juice would definitely be the better option.
Maybe I need to do more excercise. I do walk and play an hour of racket sports per week, but my twice weekly gym sessions have stopped due to being busy. I guess I need to get back into that while leaving my intake the same.
Ordinary_Chap said:
Big E 118 said:
Your body requires sugars, dieting is all down to the types of sugars you eat/drink.
A glass of OJ after excercise is not going to pile on the pounds and will do you a lot more good than a can of Diet Coke.
The best way to lose weight and not get the urge to pig out is moderate eating of healthy foods and excercise. Cutting good foods because they may contain natural sugars or complex carbohydrates will make your body crave food more.
Sorry but that is complete nonsense.A glass of OJ after excercise is not going to pile on the pounds and will do you a lot more good than a can of Diet Coke.
The best way to lose weight and not get the urge to pig out is moderate eating of healthy foods and excercise. Cutting good foods because they may contain natural sugars or complex carbohydrates will make your body crave food more.
Your body does not need sugars.
And removing sugars and complex carbs does not make you crave more after the first day or two for about 90% of the population.
As for energy levels, every now and then I feel a little low but nothing nearly as bad as you would think. The first week is the hardest...
Silver993tt said:
The body does need sugar since that's where it gets its energy from. You don't need to consume sugar directly but you do need to consume carbohydrates (preferrably complex) since it is from these that sugars are produced that the body uses as its energy source.
I would tend to agree with this. Pure orange juice has about 50 kcals, 12g of carbs, almost all of which are sugars.I think the important thing to look for is the percentage of the carbs of which are sugars.
mrmr96 said:
Fatman2 said:
The stuffing the face bit wasn't what I was focusing on but ok, fair play
Ultimately though, given the choice of the two, I'd still opt for the fruit juice and give the coke a miss, even if it means an extra 50 kcals. Coke is nasty stuff and the acid/fizz/chemicals etc. are not particularly good for you.
A better option would be to water down fresh orange juice or drink a good quality squash.
How much weight are you trying to lose and how much do you currently weigh?
I've put this on another thread but snacking is fine providing it's balanced i.e. nuts/seeds/Greek yoghurt/peanut butter sandwiches etc. Fruit on it's own is not that good as a snack (contrary to what you might think) as there's no protien to supplement the carbs/sugar. The baked crips (nice as they are) will definitely leave you wanting as they'll give you nothing except another 100 kcals. If you're going to take in 100 kcals then two glasses of orange juice would definitely be the better option.
Was about 17st at the start of the year, now down to 15st 7lb but I've not lost any more in the last month or so. Diet has been the same as it was when I lost the first 1.5 stone, but it's stopped now. I want to get down to about 14st - 14.5s,t and then once I've got my weight down I'll work on putting a bit more muscle on. (Oh, I'm 5'10", so yeah, a bit porky at the momement, but going in the right direction now at least.)Ultimately though, given the choice of the two, I'd still opt for the fruit juice and give the coke a miss, even if it means an extra 50 kcals. Coke is nasty stuff and the acid/fizz/chemicals etc. are not particularly good for you.
A better option would be to water down fresh orange juice or drink a good quality squash.
How much weight are you trying to lose and how much do you currently weigh?
I've put this on another thread but snacking is fine providing it's balanced i.e. nuts/seeds/Greek yoghurt/peanut butter sandwiches etc. Fruit on it's own is not that good as a snack (contrary to what you might think) as there's no protien to supplement the carbs/sugar. The baked crips (nice as they are) will definitely leave you wanting as they'll give you nothing except another 100 kcals. If you're going to take in 100 kcals then two glasses of orange juice would definitely be the better option.
Maybe I need to do more excercise. I do walk and play an hour of racket sports per week, but my twice weekly gym sessions have stopped due to being busy. I guess I need to get back into that while leaving my intake the same.
IMHO you should think about putting muscle on now as this is one of the best ways of losing weight. Current thinking is to do a rigorous weights session (to deplete gycogen stores in the muscles) followed by cardio to burn the fat.
I've known a few people to combine this with decent nutrition to achieve very good results.
In terms of your plateau it might be worth looking at the combinations of food that you're eating. The wife has just been going through this and is eating roughly the same stuff but ensuring that carbs/protein/fats are eaten in the right proportions (there's loads of info on the web). Although she thought eating porridge with banana was a good breakfast, this was too carb rich and there was not enough protein so she's ditched the banana in favour of nuts/seeds, which add some necessary protein/fat.
Anyway best of luck with losing the next stone
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