Fitness gurus on the juice...
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I had no idea it was that bad 
its pretty sad where its gone..
I’m locked away from main stream society pretty much, train in our own pro gym mostly and occasionaly visit a basic fit in bergerac where ive never seen a single user, lovely that they do it for health in the main..
I do remember the peer pressure when i was a teenager, even the guy i trained with and the gym owner used to deal so was readily available, i read of the ‘red book’ to but the thought of damaging myself and looking at their hang ups was enough to stop me.
Todays pressure is far far greater for kids though, as has been pointed out there is obviously proper money to be made, its so sad and im so glad i never got caught up in it.
it does make me even happier with the way ive achieved it though. id hate to think where their health will be when they get to my age, i still feel the same as i did when i was late 20s, bit fitter, just as strong butless bf, if that isnt a testament to natural training i dont know what is, maybe a reason why i dont have low test as well? Though this is a pain with regard to sex drive
So much knowledge and interest around it to, bizzare how many are hooked on defending it and others angry at non disclosure etc etc, why is everybody so pre occupied with what everyone else is doing? Why arent you just doing the best you can with your life in the way that you know is right?
A very interesting watch mind, thx op.
its pretty sad where its gone..I’m locked away from main stream society pretty much, train in our own pro gym mostly and occasionaly visit a basic fit in bergerac where ive never seen a single user, lovely that they do it for health in the main..
I do remember the peer pressure when i was a teenager, even the guy i trained with and the gym owner used to deal so was readily available, i read of the ‘red book’ to but the thought of damaging myself and looking at their hang ups was enough to stop me.
Todays pressure is far far greater for kids though, as has been pointed out there is obviously proper money to be made, its so sad and im so glad i never got caught up in it.
it does make me even happier with the way ive achieved it though. id hate to think where their health will be when they get to my age, i still feel the same as i did when i was late 20s, bit fitter, just as strong butless bf, if that isnt a testament to natural training i dont know what is, maybe a reason why i dont have low test as well? Though this is a pain with regard to sex drive
So much knowledge and interest around it to, bizzare how many are hooked on defending it and others angry at non disclosure etc etc, why is everybody so pre occupied with what everyone else is doing? Why arent you just doing the best you can with your life in the way that you know is right?
A very interesting watch mind, thx op.
I’ve seen some pretty incredible numbers about the proportion of U.K. recreational lifters that uses steroids. Double digit percentages.
Personally, I don’t believe those kind of numbers for a second. I’ve been to plenty of commercial gyms and I wouldn’t say more than 5% of the lifters look as though they could even possible be on gear. Sure, the numbers might be higher in hardcore gyms. I sometimes go to one where it might be 10-20%.
Personally, I don’t believe those kind of numbers for a second. I’ve been to plenty of commercial gyms and I wouldn’t say more than 5% of the lifters look as though they could even possible be on gear. Sure, the numbers might be higher in hardcore gyms. I sometimes go to one where it might be 10-20%.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/21/up...
I recall watching a doc a while back, the amount of gym goers on steroids was yuge.
I recall watching a doc a while back, the amount of gym goers on steroids was yuge.
ORD said:
I’ve seen some pretty incredible numbers about the proportion of U.K. recreational lifters that uses steroids. Double digit percentages.
Personally, I don’t believe those kind of numbers for a second. I’ve been to plenty of commercial gyms and I wouldn’t say more than 5% of the lifters look as though they could even possible be on gear. Sure, the numbers might be higher in hardcore gyms. I sometimes go to one where it might be 10-20%.
Most people using gear won’t look like they’re using gear. Personally, I don’t believe those kind of numbers for a second. I’ve been to plenty of commercial gyms and I wouldn’t say more than 5% of the lifters look as though they could even possible be on gear. Sure, the numbers might be higher in hardcore gyms. I sometimes go to one where it might be 10-20%.
I don't know much about PED use, but their are quite a few young lads with disproportionately bulky arms and shoulders about. It may well just be 1,000s of curls and Arnold Presses, but it looks odd and "unnatural".
When I was a teenage rugby (county, regional trials) player there were some strong lads, but (not ripped and bulky) PED weren't really a mainstream thing as glfar as I knew.
When I was a teenage rugby (county, regional trials) player there were some strong lads, but (not ripped and bulky) PED weren't really a mainstream thing as glfar as I knew.
Halb said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/21/up...
I recall watching a doc a while back, the amount of gym goers on steroids was yuge.
I’ve read that before. The ‘up to one million’ number comes from pure guesswork by some guy.I recall watching a doc a while back, the amount of gym goers on steroids was yuge.
Let’s think about it for a minute. How many people in the U.K. even lift at all seriously? Not many. Maybe 1/10 adult males, being extremely generous?
And there are 20m adult males in the U.K. That means 2 million lifters (which is an absurd overestimate but let’s go with it).
So fully half of them are on gear?!
It’s a rankly stupid overestimate, which makes me think everything in that article is nonsense (except the actual survey data).
ORD said:
I’ve read that before. The ‘up to one million’ number comes from pure guesswork by some guy.
Let’s think about it for a minute. How many people in the U.K. even lift at all seriously? Not many. Maybe 1/10 adult males, being extremely generous?
And there are 20m adult males in the U.K. That means 2 million lifters (which is an absurd overestimate but let’s go with it).
So fully half of them are on gear?!
It’s a rankly stupid overestimate, which makes me think everything in that article is nonsense (except the actual survey data).
It my last but one gym I'd regularly see the PT (also a bouncer) deal out of his carboot. My current gym, I've not seen that, but I fancy that I can tell a few who are definitely on stuff. The amount of chitchat I hear about PEDs from young lads, plus the chats I have with some gym users and the instafad, I can well believe that a significant portion, easily well into double figures are using something, I just use a puregym, if I ws to go into the old school meathead gym, it'd be like walking back into O'Malleys in the day. Use is rife, it's just so easy to get now, the web has probably put boot dealers out of business.Let’s think about it for a minute. How many people in the U.K. even lift at all seriously? Not many. Maybe 1/10 adult males, being extremely generous?
And there are 20m adult males in the U.K. That means 2 million lifters (which is an absurd overestimate but let’s go with it).
So fully half of them are on gear?!
It’s a rankly stupid overestimate, which makes me think everything in that article is nonsense (except the actual survey data).
Halb said:
It my last but one gym I'd regularly see the PT (also a bouncer) deal out of his carboot. My current gym, I've not seen that, but I fancy that I can tell a few who are definitely on stuff. The amount of chitchat I hear about PEDs from young lads, plus the chats I have with some gym users and the instafad, I can well believe that a significant portion, easily well into double figures are using something, I just use a puregym, if I ws to go into the old school meathead gym, it'd be like walking back into O'Malleys in the day. Use is rife, it's just so easy to get now, the web has probably put boot dealers out of business.
I wouldn’t dispute a number in the hundreds of thousands. But a million? That’s absurd.It is amazing, however, that people resort to gear when they’ve not even begun to tap into their natural potential. Some even jump on gear when they still have novice gains to make! I’ve seen guys on gear that cannot squat 150kg.
Thankyou4calling said:
ORD said:
I’ve seen some pretty incredible numbers about the proportion of U.K. recreational lifters that uses steroids. Double digit percentages.
Personally, I don’t believe those kind of numbers for a second. I’ve been to plenty of commercial gyms and I wouldn’t say more than 5% of the lifters look as though they could even possible be on gear. Sure, the numbers might be higher in hardcore gyms. I sometimes go to one where it might be 10-20%.
Most people using gear won’t look like they’re using gear. Personally, I don’t believe those kind of numbers for a second. I’ve been to plenty of commercial gyms and I wouldn’t say more than 5% of the lifters look as though they could even possible be on gear. Sure, the numbers might be higher in hardcore gyms. I sometimes go to one where it might be 10-20%.
Actual gear, btw, not clinical TRT that the OP is talking about.
ORD said:
Halb said:
It my last but one gym I'd regularly see the PT (also a bouncer) deal out of his carboot. My current gym, I've not seen that, but I fancy that I can tell a few who are definitely on stuff. The amount of chitchat I hear about PEDs from young lads, plus the chats I have with some gym users and the instafad, I can well believe that a significant portion, easily well into double figures are using something, I just use a puregym, if I ws to go into the old school meathead gym, it'd be like walking back into O'Malleys in the day. Use is rife, it's just so easy to get now, the web has probably put boot dealers out of business.
I wouldn’t dispute a number in the hundreds of thousands. But a million? That’s absurd.It is amazing, however, that people resort to gear when they’ve not even begun to tap into their natural potential. Some even jump on gear when they still have novice gains to make! I’ve seen guys on gear that cannot squat 150kg.
Urgh. Now I feel dirty.
TheJimi said:
I disagree on that. A lot of the time it's fairly obvious, especially if you're in any way familiar with the person.
Actual gear, btw, not clinical TRT that the OP is talking about.
In my experience huge numbers of people use gear and even a hardened gym user wouldn’t know. Actual gear, btw, not clinical TRT that the OP is talking about.
They use it incorrectly, they don’t train or eat properly and, most importantly they have poor genetics.
The vast majority of people who look really good will look good without any PEDS. Same as an athlete. It’s not going to make a racehorse out of a cart horse.
The single biggest factor in determining your physique is nature.
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Wednesday 29th January 10:05
Thankyou4calling said:
TheJimi said:
I disagree on that. A lot of the time it's fairly obvious, especially if you're in any way familiar with the person.
Actual gear, btw, not clinical TRT that the OP is talking about.
In my experience huge numbers of people use gear and even a hardened gym user wouldn’t know. Actual gear, btw, not clinical TRT that the OP is talking about.
They use it incorrectly, they don’t train or eat properly and, most importantly they have poor genetics.
The vast majority of people who look really good will look good without any PEDS. Same as an athlete. It’s not going to make a racehorse out of a cart horse.
The single biggest factor in determining your physique is nature.
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Wednesday 29th January 10:05
Edited by TheJimi on Wednesday 29th January 10:09
ORD said:
I wouldn’t dispute a number in the hundreds of thousands. But a million? That’s absurd.
It is amazing, however, that people resort to gear when they’ve not even begun to tap into their natural potential. Some even jump on gear when they still have novice gains to make! I’ve seen guys on gear that cannot squat 150kg.
I looked for gym membership stats, seems we're up to 9.7 million memberships.It is amazing, however, that people resort to gear when they’ve not even begun to tap into their natural potential. Some even jump on gear when they still have novice gains to make! I’ve seen guys on gear that cannot squat 150kg.
https://www.statista.com/topics/3411/fitness-indus...
unused memberships are difficult to assuage, one article says it could be up to 67%
https://www.verdict.co.uk/is-it-time-to-shake-up-t... from two years ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6765171/B...
that one says half to regularly, which seems more believable. A large chunk are young men, I wouldn't wanna guess at % or usage. I think 1 million is a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true either.
ked up, anyone watching bodylicous and seen the oil junkies on there? Halb said:
I looked for gym membership stats, seems we're up to 9.7 million memberships.
https://www.statista.com/topics/3411/fitness-indus...
unused memberships are difficult to assuage, one article says it could be up to 67%
https://www.verdict.co.uk/is-it-time-to-shake-up-t... from two years ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6765171/B...
that one says half to regularly, which seems more believable. A large chunk are young men, I wouldn't wanna guess at % or usage. I think 1 million is a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true either.
Let's use those numbers, then.https://www.statista.com/topics/3411/fitness-indus...
unused memberships are difficult to assuage, one article says it could be up to 67%
https://www.verdict.co.uk/is-it-time-to-shake-up-t... from two years ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6765171/B...
that one says half to regularly, which seems more believable. A large chunk are young men, I wouldn't wanna guess at % or usage. I think 1 million is a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true either.
Let's say there are 4 million people that go to the gym regularly. That seems on the high side, but let's use it for the sake of argument.
What proportion of them are men? Let's say half - that gives us 2 million men who regularly go to the gym. What proportion of those 2 million male gym-goers lift at all seriously? Maybe half? I think that's extremely generous. Very many people go to the gym to mess about on cardio machines. Those cardio people are not going to be on gear (well, some will be, but a tiny proportion).
Again, there's not a chance in hell that 1 million on gear is correct. For it to be correct, the majority of lifters would have to be using. I I have never been to a gym where anyone could think that most of the lifters were on gear. I am sure such gyms exist, but they are pretty niche.
The 1 million number strikes me as Daily Mail pearl-clutching hysteria. I think the hysteria about steroid use is part of the very British dislike of anyone trying to better themselves physically. The typical couch potato hates to see someone in good shape, so it sells well to say "Must be on gear!".
I'd imagine the numbers of young men on gear is VAST compared to years ago.
I go to a local gym attached to a school (because it's a 5 min walk from my house!) - it's a million miles from hardcore and is pretty rubbish so nobody (who doesn't live walking distance!) serious would use it. But it's usable and has all I need.
Anyway - yesterday I was in there with:
An overweight mum walking on the treadmill
A 30 something regular joe on the rower
3 asian guys - mid 20's. Tracksuits to hide the legs and just doing set after set of concentration curls. All around 20-25% bf, big arms/delts...not much else. Easily achievable natural (if you wanted to look like that!)
No one there "looked on gear" and the mum probably wasnt! The regular Joe - doubtful. I'm on TRT and the 3 kids 99% use. So thats 4 in 6 on "something" in the most un-gear type gym going. Why do I think the kids use.....because why wouldn't they? It's cheap, works, easy to get, safe (they are told) and everyone does it (they assume from Youtube) - I expect kids like that go straight from Whey to Test in the way we used to move onto creatine!
I go to a local gym attached to a school (because it's a 5 min walk from my house!) - it's a million miles from hardcore and is pretty rubbish so nobody (who doesn't live walking distance!) serious would use it. But it's usable and has all I need.
Anyway - yesterday I was in there with:
An overweight mum walking on the treadmill
A 30 something regular joe on the rower
3 asian guys - mid 20's. Tracksuits to hide the legs and just doing set after set of concentration curls. All around 20-25% bf, big arms/delts...not much else. Easily achievable natural (if you wanted to look like that!)
No one there "looked on gear" and the mum probably wasnt! The regular Joe - doubtful. I'm on TRT and the 3 kids 99% use. So thats 4 in 6 on "something" in the most un-gear type gym going. Why do I think the kids use.....because why wouldn't they? It's cheap, works, easy to get, safe (they are told) and everyone does it (they assume from Youtube) - I expect kids like that go straight from Whey to Test in the way we used to move onto creatine!
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