Vitamin D deficiency
Discussion
pavarotti1980 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
I've had a look and can't find any articles saying 800iu should be a max dose. The only article in their I could find was one that said over 2800iu over for a year constantly (I've said during summer people can stop) MAY increase risk of hypercalcaemia but no adverse reactions were found, no kidney stones etc. So I can't find one referenced in there which says over 800iu shouldn't be taken. Have you got a link?
Each to their own.... Just means "fair enough, if that's what you want to do/how you feel" - no hard feelings. It's just I've never read a study showing clear negative signs on the doses I'm talking about during winter so was interested to see if you could show me one. I'm talking 5000iu/day for maybe 6 months and then either nothing over summer or just 1000iu/day if needed.
Cheers
I didnt mention anything about 800iu being the max dose I said there is a reason why they are a POM.Each to their own.... Just means "fair enough, if that's what you want to do/how you feel" - no hard feelings. It's just I've never read a study showing clear negative signs on the doses I'm talking about during winter so was interested to see if you could show me one. I'm talking 5000iu/day for maybe 6 months and then either nothing over summer or just 1000iu/day if needed.
Cheers
You do know what a POM is?
pavarotti1980 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Prescription only medicine. Over 800iu isn't prescription only though, you can buy stuff over 800iu extremely easily anywhere, included well reputed retailers.
I know. I missed sometimes out of my original post.pavarotti1980 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Hypercalcaemia is very rare and why I've suggested K2. For a huge number of people over 4000iu/day isn't a risk, as I've posted numerous research articles showing that. I've also encouraged testing. The research absolutely says 400iu is not adequate in the UK for optimum health. The 400iu is to try to prevent disease, that's different from good health. I respectfully disagree that for most people 4000iu /day is a risk.
You can respectfully disagree, but I don't think it is the place of a chiropractor to advice medicinal interventions. There is a reason why 800iu/20mcg+ strengths are a POMIt’s not difficult. Test your Vitamin D levels. Depending on the result - supplement (and also with K2) for 2 months. Retest.
Adjust level of supplementation.
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Tuesday 1st February 12:49
pavarotti1980 said:
With all due respect until diagnosed as vitamin D deficient, then really the maximum daily dose of vitamin D a healthy adult should be taking is 4000iu/ 100mcg but in reality 400iu/10mcg is sufficient to maintain healthy levels of vitamin D
Sustained excessive supplemental intake can lead to hypercalcaemia, due to the fact that vitamin D is fat-soluble and is more difficult to excrete and longer term can cause more serious health problems.
if anyone has concerns regarding deficiency then the GP is the best place to start. If not then daily supplementation advice can be sought from pharmacist
My understanding is the negative concerns of taking too much vitamin D were wholly assumed to be similar to quite serious risks of taking too much vitamin A as both are similarly fat soluble but these assumptions look to be erroneous, and in the absence of knowing the full potential benefits of vitamin D, a very low "why bother risking more" RDA was set.Sustained excessive supplemental intake can lead to hypercalcaemia, due to the fact that vitamin D is fat-soluble and is more difficult to excrete and longer term can cause more serious health problems.
if anyone has concerns regarding deficiency then the GP is the best place to start. If not then daily supplementation advice can be sought from pharmacist
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Tuesday 1st February 12:22
As regarding RDAs these chaps probably know a thing or two if our passing spine slammer doesn't measure up for you: https://vitamindforall.org/letter.html
pavarotti1980 said:
if anyone has concerns regarding deficiency then the GP is the best place to start. If not then daily supplementation advice can be sought from pharmacist
The problem here is that in an awful lot of cases this simply isn’t true, and worse, you’ll be told there’s no problem. My mum was left with a disease that causes organ failure (we’re still only helping her recover now some 3 years on) because they didn’t bother to look at levels in tandem. There’s a fair suggestion we could’ve avoided some of her major health problems and surgeries along the way had the results been queried at the right time, too. Which is just beyond depressing having met resistance to everything we’ve managed to diagnose ourselves along the way. Edited by pavarotti1980 on Tuesday 1st February 12:22
I strongly suspect that we, her children all have some similar issues and yet at the height of summer after weeks of working outside with decent exposure I was dismissed as normal with a vitamin d level of 40nmol.
As someone who is relatively informed I can take steps to ensure I don’t follow a similar path, but others are not being given the correct information and in many cases dissuaded from looking further by starting with their healthcare practitioners. I’m sure there are some great ones out there but there are far too many who are uninformed and frankly assume superiority when a persistent problem is flagged because ‘guidelines’.
If a few more people like Ross bang the drum and help others to access better information to improve their own health then I’m all for it.
Edited by guillemot on Wednesday 2nd February 17:18
Teddy Lop said:
My understanding is the negative concerns of taking too much vitamin D were wholly assumed to be similar to quite serious risks of taking too much vitamin A as both are similarly fat soluble but these assumptions look to be erroneous, and in the absence of knowing the full potential benefits of vitamin D, a very low "why bother risking more" RDA was set.
As regarding RDAs these chaps probably know a thing or two if our passing spine slammer doesn't measure up for you: https://vitamindforall.org/letter.html
As regarding RDAs these chaps probably know a thing or two if our passing spine slammer doesn't measure up for you: https://vitamindforall.org/letter.html
xyz123 said:
Thanks for a useful thread with information on vit D. Also thanks to person who shared link to the vitamin d test.
Only if the PH search was as useful in finding the link to mk4 vitamin d tablets that was mentioned earlier.. I will trawl through all pages to find the link..
Plenty of vitamin D products which have K2 in as well. MK4 is harder to come by, it's more expensive, so unless you find another (the one I stock is bulk buy only and not exactly the cheapest, but it's good) then just find a normal vitamin D supplement and get a separate K2 MK4 one as well, at least 100mcg but having loads more isn't an issue, even doses of 45mg have been trialled. For most I recommend about 1000mcg (1mg)/day. Only if the PH search was as useful in finding the link to mk4 vitamin d tablets that was mentioned earlier.. I will trawl through all pages to find the link..
CoolHands said:
Might be a good thread to ask.. any good / trusted online sellers of vitamins etc? Not just specific vitamin d but others too? I’m imagining that it’s an industry fraught with counterfeits cos who would know.
I've used Woods beforehttps://www.woodshealth.com/
Recently used these for vit d
https://www.mobu.co.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAiAl-6PBhBCEiwA...
Natural Dispensary for me, not the cheapest and some practitioner-only stuff but they're pretty good. I can get people discounts if wanted too.
Regarding supplements though, it's a minefield for some of them, in particular the B vitamins - you usually get what you pay for. Happy to give any advice to anyone who wants it.
Regarding supplements though, it's a minefield for some of them, in particular the B vitamins - you usually get what you pay for. Happy to give any advice to anyone who wants it.
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Since upping my D intake to 1600 a day from basically zero my aura migraines have dropped right off.
Vitamin D in higher doses has been shown to reduce migraine frequency by approx 50% in numerous studies. I get a lot of migraine patients and neck adjustments can help (it's complex how) but it's very much papering over the cracks. A true migraine is a metabolic issue. The most common ones are deficiency in vitamin D, B12 or magnesium, after that others that have been shown to help are vitamin B2, B6, carnitine and coenzyme Q10. There are of course other reasons but when people say things like "wine or chocolate or stress etc cause it" that's usually "the last straw", so to speak in an already pro-inflammatory system. Yes, I'm a nerd
I would like to do more functional medicine in practice, but I don't think it's feasible where I am for the time being!TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Since upping my D intake to 1600 a day from basically zero my aura migraines have dropped right off.
Vitamin D in higher doses has been shown to reduce migraine frequency by approx 50% in numerous studies. I get a lot of migraine patients and neck adjustments can help (it's complex how) but it's very much papering over the cracks. A true migraine is a metabolic issue. The most common ones are deficiency in vitamin D, B12 or magnesium, after that others that have been shown to help are vitamin B2, B6, carnitine and coenzyme Q10. There are of course other reasons but when people say things like "wine or chocolate or stress etc cause it" that's usually "the last straw", so to speak in an already pro-inflammatory system. Yes, I'm a nerd
I would like to do more functional medicine in practice, but I don't think it's feasible where I am for the time being!That stopped my officer entry into the forces.
If only I'd known then!
Hugo Stiglitz said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Since upping my D intake to 1600 a day from basically zero my aura migraines have dropped right off.
Vitamin D in higher doses has been shown to reduce migraine frequency by approx 50% in numerous studies. I get a lot of migraine patients and neck adjustments can help (it's complex how) but it's very much papering over the cracks. A true migraine is a metabolic issue. The most common ones are deficiency in vitamin D, B12 or magnesium, after that others that have been shown to help are vitamin B2, B6, carnitine and coenzyme Q10. There are of course other reasons but when people say things like "wine or chocolate or stress etc cause it" that's usually "the last straw", so to speak in an already pro-inflammatory system. Yes, I'm a nerd
I would like to do more functional medicine in practice, but I don't think it's feasible where I am for the time being!That stopped my officer entry into the forces.
If only I'd known then!
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