Covid 19 Vaccine - will you have it ?
Discussion
DanL said:
The Moose said:
That is astonishing.
Is it? They’re all approved and much the same in terms of effectiveness. Medical needs will take which one you get into account (for example, my dad had Pfizer due to allergies), but beyond that is there a “need” for a choice?I’m not qualified to understand what I’m choosing between...
Edited by DanL on Monday 19th April 13:18
I also am not qualified to make a selection between the various different options - that’s why I employ people to help me make that decision as well as reading about the different options myself.
As I understand it, the efficacy are not all the same as well as each resulting in a potentially differing set and rate of potential side affects.
Using all this information, I came to the conclusion that I would prefer the Pfizer or Moderna. So I found a provider that offered Pfizer and got jabbed. I would certainly not have made an appointment anywhere where I was told that I will get what I was given.
TheAngryDog said:
My wife was taken off birth control tablets due to having a risk of clotting as there is a history of it in her family. I know that you cannot choose which vaccine you can have, but does anyone know if there is any way to speak to the vaccine "givers" to see what options are available? My wife is in her 30s, so will likely be offered the astrazenica one.
Oxford Uni has been doing some further research on the likely hood of getting a CVT from the vaccines and it appears that the Pfizer vaccine is actually slightly worse for this than the OAZ, with 5 instances / million compared to 4/m for the OAZ one.It appears that the clots are due to an antibody response to the vaccine, in the same way that people get clots when contracting Covid-19 itself. The clotting process itself appears very similar to a rare side effect that people taking Heparin can get, they are taking an anticoagulant but this actually causes clotting rather than preventing it.
The Moose said:
98elise said:
The Moose said:
I’m really rather surprised you’re not given the option of which jab to get in the UK.
Its a production line and you book your slot weeks ahead. You get whatever they're administering in your timeslot/vaccination centre.As we vaccinate younger people they will get a choice due to the AZ higher clot risk.
Although my GP practice only used the AZ vaccine, at the local vaccination centre they were alternating between the two vaccines as supplies of each became available; I could have picked which I had which by booking different dates. Second doses have always been the same as the first dose at both venues.
Riley Blue said:
The Moose said:
98elise said:
The Moose said:
I’m really rather surprised you’re not given the option of which jab to get in the UK.
Its a production line and you book your slot weeks ahead. You get whatever they're administering in your timeslot/vaccination centre.As we vaccinate younger people they will get a choice due to the AZ higher clot risk.
Although my GP practice only used the AZ vaccine, at the local vaccination centre they were alternating between the two vaccines as supplies of each became available; I could have picked which I had which by booking different dates. Second doses have always been the same as the first dose at both venues.
Interesting scenario developing for MiL who is 81.
She was called at 12 weeks for her 2nd jab (Pfizer) with 2 days notice.... but due to being named executor on a family will, she had travelled down to us to see solicitor, sort out house etc (350 miles from home). She spoke to surgery at the time and they said, no problem, we’ll roll you to next week to save the 700 mile round trip. We tried to get her done locally through both our Drs and the National scheme, both declined. However, when “next week” came around they had no doses at her surgery...so she was waiting.
She is now at 14 weeks and contacted the surgery (she is back at home) to find out what was happening. They have told her she will have to wait another 8 weeks, even though others are now being given 2nd dose next week ! Clearly not prioritising ! Will be contacting practice manager to find out what is going on ! Anyone got any insights as to what might be going on in the background here ?
We’d have expected them to prioritise based on time....it’s not as though she had refused the jab.
She was called at 12 weeks for her 2nd jab (Pfizer) with 2 days notice.... but due to being named executor on a family will, she had travelled down to us to see solicitor, sort out house etc (350 miles from home). She spoke to surgery at the time and they said, no problem, we’ll roll you to next week to save the 700 mile round trip. We tried to get her done locally through both our Drs and the National scheme, both declined. However, when “next week” came around they had no doses at her surgery...so she was waiting.
She is now at 14 weeks and contacted the surgery (she is back at home) to find out what was happening. They have told her she will have to wait another 8 weeks, even though others are now being given 2nd dose next week ! Clearly not prioritising ! Will be contacting practice manager to find out what is going on ! Anyone got any insights as to what might be going on in the background here ?
We’d have expected them to prioritise based on time....it’s not as though she had refused the jab.
I was offered my jab by my GP a couple of weeks back (I'm 42, cholesterol and blood sugar on the high side...) but I'm currently in the US so couldnt do it.
Took the pfizer jab locally yesterday. Sore enough arm that I woke up a couple of times in the night, and woke up about 5am with a headache and slight temperature. Popped an ibuprofen and went back to bed, got up a couple of hours ago fine.
Most people I know here that have had it had zero effects apart from a sore arm after the first jab, but felt a big rough after the second. I had covid a year ago, and was down for 2 weeks (10 days with a high temperature) so maybe if you had it bad the side effects are a touch more pronounced.
Not looking forward to seeing how I feel after the second one though!
Can't say even having suffered the first time round I was that bothered about taking it, but I travel a lot, and its unfortunately inevitable that this is going to make that a lot easier.
Took the pfizer jab locally yesterday. Sore enough arm that I woke up a couple of times in the night, and woke up about 5am with a headache and slight temperature. Popped an ibuprofen and went back to bed, got up a couple of hours ago fine.
Most people I know here that have had it had zero effects apart from a sore arm after the first jab, but felt a big rough after the second. I had covid a year ago, and was down for 2 weeks (10 days with a high temperature) so maybe if you had it bad the side effects are a touch more pronounced.
Not looking forward to seeing how I feel after the second one though!
Can't say even having suffered the first time round I was that bothered about taking it, but I travel a lot, and its unfortunately inevitable that this is going to make that a lot easier.
steveT350C said:
Just seen this, a covid quiz....
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdOJ0iatd...
It does astonish people quite how much of a rushed job this all is. Under any other circumstances, people would have laughed at the idea of these vaccines getting as much use as they have been.https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdOJ0iatd...
steveT350C said:
Just seen this, a covid quiz....
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdOJ0iatd...
Is that a quiz or a multi choice conspiracy theory? https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdOJ0iatd...
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Under any other circumstances, people would have laughed at the idea of these vaccines getting as much use as they have been.
I think those of us who do this for a living knew it was perfectly possible if you threw enough resource at it.What's been more staggering for me is how quickly everyone became an expert in drug development.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
When I had my vaccine, they were making very sure that everyone understood the fact that it’s still classed as an experimental jab, and that everyone agreed they had given their consent to have the jab given to them. The leaflet I was given made for interesting reading.
Giving consent for medical treatment is normal. You made up the bit in bold.Prof Prolapse said:
What's been more staggering for me is how quickly everyone became an expert in drug development.
There is certainly a concerted effort to mislead or, at least, be mischievous, by some people, here and elsewhere. The multiple-choice linked here is a good example... cleverly framed cherry-picking, potentially amusing but clearly designed to deliberately alarm the easily-led.Rollin said:
Giving consent for medical treatment is normal. You made up the bit in bold.
Really?From the leaflet.
COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca solution for injection COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1 S [recombinant])
This medicinal product has been given authorisation for temporary supply by the UK Department of Health and Social Care and the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency. It does not have a marketing authorisation, but this temporary authorisation grants permission for the medicine to be used for active immunisation of individuals aged 18 years and older for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).
The emboldened bit is the most interesting bit.
And then you read what it actually is / what’s in it.
What COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains.
One dose (0.5 ml) contains: COVID 19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles
- Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.
It’s a bit like being given a plate of s
t in a restaurant, but eating it anyway, because the waiter said it’s really nice, and it’s good for you.Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Thursday 22 April 09:33
paulguitar said:
There is certainly a concerted effort to mislead or, at least, be mischievous, by some people, here and elsewhere. The multiple-choice linked here is a good example... cleverly framed cherry-picking, potentially amusing but clearly designed to deliberately alarm the easily-led.
If you do that quiz the answers are given with links to the source of the statistics used. It would be extremely helpful to everyone on both sides if instead of calling people anti vaxxers or conspiracy loons someone could maybe actually pick apart the supposed misleading information? This is a general question, not aimed at you in particular. Personally I don’t know either way but some of the evidence in that quiz is compelling to me, but I’d welcome dearly a proper rebuttal on any of it.Surely that’s the point of us talking about it.
The Moose said:
DanL said:
The Moose said:
That is astonishing.
Is it? They’re all approved and much the same in terms of effectiveness. Medical needs will take which one you get into account (for example, my dad had Pfizer due to allergies), but beyond that is there a “need” for a choice?I’m not qualified to understand what I’m choosing between...
Edited by DanL on Monday 19th April 13:18
I also am not qualified to make a selection between the various different options - that’s why I employ people to help me make that decision as well as reading about the different options myself.
As I understand it, the efficacy are not all the same as well as each resulting in a potentially differing set and rate of potential side affects.
Using all this information, I came to the conclusion that I would prefer the Pfizer or Moderna. So I found a provider that offered Pfizer and got jabbed. I would certainly not have made an appointment anywhere where I was told that I will get what I was given.
The vast majority of people in the UK wouldn't employ someone to make a decision about which brand of vaccine to take. Its astonishing to me that you would think otherwise. Maybe it's different where you are based?
98elise said:
Given that they are all approved, and all are effective, how else would you suggest vaccinating 60m people?
The vast majority of people in the UK wouldn't employ someone to make a decision about which brand of vaccine to take. Its astonishing to me that you would think otherwise. Maybe it's different where you are based?
I believe The Moose is now in the US, where they advertise drugs on TV. The vast majority of people in the UK wouldn't employ someone to make a decision about which brand of vaccine to take. Its astonishing to me that you would think otherwise. Maybe it's different where you are based?
DanL said:
98elise said:
Given that they are all approved, and all are effective, how else would you suggest vaccinating 60m people?
The vast majority of people in the UK wouldn't employ someone to make a decision about which brand of vaccine to take. Its astonishing to me that you would think otherwise. Maybe it's different where you are based?
I believe The Moose is now in the US, where they advertise drugs on TV. The vast majority of people in the UK wouldn't employ someone to make a decision about which brand of vaccine to take. Its astonishing to me that you would think otherwise. Maybe it's different where you are based?
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