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NeMiSiS said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/90347...
R.I.P
Growth hormone, aswel as Anabolic steroids cause mental health issues. Fact.
Evidence base?R.I.P
Growth hormone, aswel as Anabolic steroids cause mental health issues. Fact.
Lost_BMW said:
NeMiSiS said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/90347...
R.I.P
Growth hormone, aswel as Anabolic steroids cause mental health issues. Fact.
Evidence base?R.I.P
Growth hormone, aswel as Anabolic steroids cause mental health issues. Fact.
I mean the fact he lost his career and awesome life I'm sure had nothing to do with this.
NeMiSiS said:
Lost_BMW said.. Evidence base ?
Mainly on life experience, but its well documented.
If it happens that human body comes in reaction with steroids, side-effects like “steroids psychosis” may occur. Steroids psychosis is steroid induced psychiatry effects such as depression, mania and delirium.
There have been many reports of steroids psychosis, person becomes aggressive and more violent. This is also known as “roid rage” which is also knows as manic rage. When an individual stops using steroids the outcome is very severe, like extreme mood swings can occur. Depression is often found on person who had stop using steroids which is due to dependence of body to steroid.
In early of phase of steroid usage effects like mood changes, euphoria can be seen, that is increase of confidence, energy, self-esteem, anger, violent nature, motivation and enthusiasm. After a longer period of time, effects like lack of judgment and mood swing are frequent actions. Several cases of schizophrenia, hypomania and mania, delirium, depression, suicide and paranoia have been reported. Testosterone was formerly used for the treatment of depression but it has been found to be a cause of depression. Depression is a mental problem that can lead to the sufferer taking his/her own life.
And what does any of this have to do with the person in question? Serious question was he diagnosed with a mental condition?Mainly on life experience, but its well documented.
If it happens that human body comes in reaction with steroids, side-effects like “steroids psychosis” may occur. Steroids psychosis is steroid induced psychiatry effects such as depression, mania and delirium.
There have been many reports of steroids psychosis, person becomes aggressive and more violent. This is also known as “roid rage” which is also knows as manic rage. When an individual stops using steroids the outcome is very severe, like extreme mood swings can occur. Depression is often found on person who had stop using steroids which is due to dependence of body to steroid.
In early of phase of steroid usage effects like mood changes, euphoria can be seen, that is increase of confidence, energy, self-esteem, anger, violent nature, motivation and enthusiasm. After a longer period of time, effects like lack of judgment and mood swing are frequent actions. Several cases of schizophrenia, hypomania and mania, delirium, depression, suicide and paranoia have been reported. Testosterone was formerly used for the treatment of depression but it has been found to be a cause of depression. Depression is a mental problem that can lead to the sufferer taking his/her own life.
NeMiSiS said:
Yes, depression.
But was that attributed to GH? I'd suspect that will come from losing a great career and life?
People jump too quickly to conclusions with all of this stuff. I've never taken it but I know tons of normal folk that do. I'm not suggesting it doesn't affect people but it's usually blown massively out of proportion.
NeMiSiS said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
NeMiSiS said:
Yes, depression.
But was that attributed to GH? I'd suspect that will come from losing a great career and life?
People jump too quickly to conclusions with all of this stuff. I've never taken it but I know tons of normal folk that do. I'm not suggesting it doesn't affect people but it's usually blown massively out of proportion.
Ive seen too many steroid/growth (lesser with growth) users/abusers with mental illnesses for it to be coincidental in my mind, and I am not interested in trying to put my point across to any doubters.
NeMiSiS said:
Lost_BMW said.. Evidence base ?
Mainly on life experience, but its well documented.
If it happens that human body comes in reaction with steroids, side-effects like “steroids psychosis” may occur. Steroids psychosis is steroid induced psychiatry effects such as depression, mania and delirium.
There have been many reports of steroids psychosis, person becomes aggressive and more violent. This is also known as “roid rage” which is also knows as manic rage. When an individual stops using steroids the outcome is very severe, like extreme mood swings can occur. Depression is often found on person who had stop using steroids which is due to dependence of body to steroid.
In early of phase of steroid usage effects like mood changes, euphoria can be seen, that is increase of confidence, energy, self-esteem, anger, violent nature, motivation and enthusiasm. After a longer period of time, effects like lack of judgment and mood swing are frequent actions. Several cases of schizophrenia, hypomania and mania, delirium, depression, suicide and paranoia have been reported. Testosterone was formerly used for the treatment of depression but it has been found to be a cause of depression. Depression is a mental problem that can lead to the sufferer taking his/her own life.
I was referring specifically to the idea that GH causes mental problems - other than the brain expanding and pushing out the skull until it cracks, of course.Mainly on life experience, but its well documented.
If it happens that human body comes in reaction with steroids, side-effects like “steroids psychosis” may occur. Steroids psychosis is steroid induced psychiatry effects such as depression, mania and delirium.
There have been many reports of steroids psychosis, person becomes aggressive and more violent. This is also known as “roid rage” which is also knows as manic rage. When an individual stops using steroids the outcome is very severe, like extreme mood swings can occur. Depression is often found on person who had stop using steroids which is due to dependence of body to steroid.
In early of phase of steroid usage effects like mood changes, euphoria can be seen, that is increase of confidence, energy, self-esteem, anger, violent nature, motivation and enthusiasm. After a longer period of time, effects like lack of judgment and mood swing are frequent actions. Several cases of schizophrenia, hypomania and mania, delirium, depression, suicide and paranoia have been reported. Testosterone was formerly used for the treatment of depression but it has been found to be a cause of depression. Depression is a mental problem that can lead to the sufferer taking his/her own life.
Regarding Alex Reid, if he wanted to so some sort of PED he could get away with it. Mixed martial arts, in particular the UFC are regulated by their respective athletic comissions depending on where said event is being held. For example, if in Vegas the event is sanctioned by the NSAC (Nevada state athletic comission). It is this group who takes the urine samples pre and post the event from the fighters, they are then sent to a laboratory of choice for analysis. However, when the UFC comes to the UK there is no athletic commision so the state that they perform their own testing, I partly believe they do but may not release all the results.
So basically what I'm coming to is it is unlikely that a small organisation like BAMMA (alex Reid vs tom watson promotion) would bother with any testing. Heck, half the fighter didn't even show for the weigh ins!
I haven't had the time to read through 11 pages of this thread but I recommend anyone who is interested in the ongoing debate of Performance Enhancing Drugs watch the documentary Bigger Faster Stronger.
So basically what I'm coming to is it is unlikely that a small organisation like BAMMA (alex Reid vs tom watson promotion) would bother with any testing. Heck, half the fighter didn't even show for the weigh ins!
I haven't had the time to read through 11 pages of this thread but I recommend anyone who is interested in the ongoing debate of Performance Enhancing Drugs watch the documentary Bigger Faster Stronger.
My back's spotty enough without steroids!
I'm going to try these, with the hope of increasing testosterone levels (I'm 39). reviews look good, anyone on here used them?
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/products/tribulus_pro
I'm going to try these, with the hope of increasing testosterone levels (I'm 39). reviews look good, anyone on here used them?
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/products/tribulus_pro
cheadle hulme said:
My back's spotty enough without steroids!
I'm going to try these, with the hope of increasing testosterone levels (I'm 39). reviews look good, anyone on here used them?
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/products/tribulus_pro
What is your current Free Test level?I'm going to try these, with the hope of increasing testosterone levels (I'm 39). reviews look good, anyone on here used them?
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/products/tribulus_pro
cheadle hulme said:
My back's spotty enough without steroids!
I'm going to try these, with the hope of increasing testosterone levels (I'm 39). reviews look good, anyone on here used them?
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/products/tribulus_pro
Never tried it but suspect a twin effect - increasing serum levels of erm, nothing useful - and reducing the level of cash in your account.I'm going to try these, with the hope of increasing testosterone levels (I'm 39). reviews look good, anyone on here used them?
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/products/tribulus_pro
Branding aside I reckon the generic name is "Compound Bulls
t".But then I am rather cynical and in my youthful folly bought some s
te that never did anything and makes me feel v. stupid in retrospect.NeMiSiS said:
Lost_BMW said.. Evidence base ?
Mainly on life experience, but its well documented.
If it happens that human body comes in reaction with steroids, side-effects like “steroids psychosis” may occur
do you have any evidence linking "roids" (anabolic steroids) to psychosis?Mainly on life experience, but its well documented.
If it happens that human body comes in reaction with steroids, side-effects like “steroids psychosis” may occur
the bellow would suggest a link to corticosteroids, which aren't usually associated with athletes (unless they have a bad rash)
"Corticosteroids often induce psychiatric syndromes, including depression, mania, psychosis, and delirium.1–8 The syndromes are conventionally known as "steroid psychosis," which is regarded to be a representative exogenous psychiatric disorder. However, steroid psychosis is not a specific clinical entity but consists of heterogeneous syndromes with obviously different pathophysiological mechanisms. Established diagnostic criteria such as those in DSM-IV have scarcely been used in previous studies to evaluate the psychiatric symptoms. Both the symptoms and the diagnosis of steroid psychosis are ambiguous. Corticosteroids can provoke both mania and depression that clinically appear opposite to each other"
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