PH Transformation Thread 2012 - Chat

[GBDG]

I'm feeling much more positive today. I've reverted back to Full body work out every other day (so 3x or 4x depending on the week) then running on off days (once legs get used to weight training again)

I went a bit carb mental on Sunday (cheat day) and I must have been retaining water like a bugger, as the difference in look between now (3x carb/salt light days later) defies belief.

My weight has stayed the same for 2 weeks straight, so unsure what to read in to this. I believe I have seen some muscle growth and fat loss in that time, but it's always hard to tell. Does that sound OK?

[theshrew]

My training yesterday

Lunch time
36 lenghs swim

Last night
Bi curls
Hammer curls
Lat pulls
Bent over Rows
Deads
15min bike

Just found been looking for a 10k run to enter but came accross a mini triathlon that sounded ok for a unfit chodder like me to train for. Downloaded the entery form £50 to enter. Feck that think i will stick to the runs lol

[LordGrover]

theshrew said:

£50 to enter. Feck that think i will stick to the runs lol

Don't blame you! 'kinell.

[Frankeh]

Ordinary_Chap said:

Whilst our bodies are really quite similar (for the most part), after watching lots of different things working for different people I've come to the conclusion that all of the other variables that affect day-to-day living, diet, training intensity, rest, work life etc can have a huge impact on the end result.

I'd also hazard a guess that testosterone levels play a really big part in how responsive to working out you are.

[LordGrover]

Chicken and egg, I think. Working weights also increases testosterone doesn't it?

[Halb]

Primal Blueprint advises to keep the cardio low intensity to burn the fat? I thought the fat burning zone was a bit of a myth?

http://scienceblogs.com/obesitypanacea/2010/06/the...

[LordGrover]

I accept none of this evidence either way, but what works for me.
At a guess, IIRC it's supposed to be because PB is effectively a low carb diet. If you consume large quantities of carbs as a typical Westerner does then there may be some merit in the argument.
Probably.

ETA. Current thinking is all about HIIT anyway isn't it? BPers get this through sprints/etc.

FWIW, I'm in it for the fitness aspect rather than any 'fat burning' effect anyway. I'm certain it's what you consume rather than how you burn that's important for fat loss.

Edited by LordGrover on Thursday 15th March 10:20

[theshrew]

Halb said:

Primal Blueprint advises to keep the cardio low intensity to burn the fat? I thought the fat burning zone was a bit of a myth?

http://scienceblogs.com/obesitypanacea/2010/06/the...

According to the machines in the gym thats correct. When i first started i tried it once for 5 min and gave up. This was on the treadmill i was just walking to be in the correct zone. It might be right but to me it just seems a load of shizzle.

[GBDG]

I thought it wasn't so much that low intensity burned more fat, so much as it burned less muscle, while burning some fat.

[didelydoo]

In this area, the more you read the less you understand. There will always be some contradictory study/article/approach to everything you read. Likewise with results, someone always has good results doing something but not another thing.

Best approach is to suck it and see IMO- nothing works forever either.

[GBDG]

didelydoo said:

In this area, the more you read the less you understand. There will always be some contradictory study/article/approach to everything you read. Likewise with results, someone always has good results doing something but not another thing.

Best approach is to suck it and see IMO- nothing works forever either.

Anything works when you have a system. The reason being, that you take notice and form habits around it.

Take me 1yr ago, I had a vague idea of calories and what I ate, but didn't track anything. Hence I was 3 stone overweight.

If i'd invented "the chocolate diet" where I ate 1,500 calories of chocolate a day, and did a bit of working out, I would have lost weight.

Similarly with exercise, if you focus in and follow a programme, you are much more likely to actually do something(anything) than someone not following any system at all.

[LordGrover]

FWIW, this is what I ate last week:



There are a few nibbles like nuts and seeds I pick on but otherwise fairly complete. My cooking is all pretty plain with no frills which is why I like to eat out once or twice a week. My salads are probably pretty big by most standards with a good variety; lettuce, peppers, spring onions, celery, tomatoes, mushrooms, olives, etc drenched in EVOO or flax seed oil dressing.

[Frankeh]

I should totally keep track of what I eat.. Missed breakfast this morning because of the absolutely worst nights sleep I've had in a while. Terrible.

Managed 41.5kg (Technically 42KG since my clips have weight..) overhead press with microloading yesterday. Pretty sure microloading is going to be my saviour when it comes to bench and overhead press.

[GBDG]

Frankeh said:

I should totally keep track of what I eat.. Missed breakfast this morning because of the absolutely worst nights sleep I've had in a while. Terrible.

I use an app on my phone called myfitnesspal. Really easy to do and it tracks my Macros as well as calories. I can see everything I've eaten for the last few months.


Here is yesterday

[Halb]

LordGrover said:

There are a few nibbles like nuts and seeds I pick on but otherwise fairly complete. My cooking is all pretty plain with no frills which is why I like to eat out once or twice a week. My salads are probably pretty big by most standards with a good variety; lettuce, peppers, spring onions, celery, tomatoes, mushrooms, olives, etc drenched in EVOO or flax seed oil dressing.

Sounds nice. I never used dressing when I made my salads (which prompted my mate to say they weren't salads), but I did make them the night before and put lemon in the container, the lemon would permeate all the salad, especially the chicken, was ace.
The above list is like mine but I never used lettuce, but rocket instead and no mushrooms and I had nuts (normally pine nuts), grapes, apple and some cheese in mine. Tomatoes were always plum and cherry.

I might have a crack at salads again and use some EVOO (had to google that).

Just read the below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil#Adulteratio...
Seems you have to be careful here.

Edited by Halb on Thursday 15th March 13:24

[Frankeh]

GBDG said:

I use an app on my phone called myfitnesspal. Really easy to do and it tracks my Macros as well as calories. I can see everything I've eaten for the last few months.

That looks great, however I cook almost all my food from raw ingredients so it might end up being a right old ball ache.

[GBDG]

Frankeh said:

That looks great, however I cook almost all my food from raw ingredients so it might end up being a right old ball ache.

It has the ability to save recipes. So you input ingredients and then it calculates stats. You can then save them for the future. So if you were making spag bol, it would be X mince (You can scan barcodes and it automatically adds them) + X Tinned tomatos + whatever else you add.

I'm particularly lazy when it comes to these things, and I don't find it so bad.

[Frankeh]

GBDG said:

Frankeh said:

That looks great, however I cook almost all my food from raw ingredients so it might end up being a right old ball ache.

It has the ability to save recipes. So you input ingredients and then it calculates stats. You can then save them for the future. So if you were making spag bol, it would be X mince (You can scan barcodes and it automatically adds them) + X Tinned tomatos + whatever else you add.

I'm particularly lazy when it comes to these things, and I don't find it so bad.

Downloading now. Especially love the barcode scan feature.

[theshrew]

I used it when i first started out and do so every now and then now.

Just be carefull at the quantaties etc check they are the same on what you eat. For some reason things like a cup off coffee varies quite a bit when you do a search must be items people add on themselves.

[soda]

I am seriously impressed by the dedication of you all for tracking and planning your diets. I start getting a nervous twitch just thinking about it.

Poster above saying the more you read the more confusing it gets has hit the nail on the head. I'm now giving up any reading on the subject of diet or training! I shall continue with some mountain biking, big compound lifts and eating stloads of grub.

My results will no doubt be less impressive as a result but I'm getting pissed off trying to analyse everything I eat.