Reversing Type 2 Diabetes

[Kenny Powers]

gregs656 said:

Did you see the line 'there is no debate about the diet, really'

I have no problem with keto. I have recommended it on these boards even.

Just don't preach to me. It's wearing. Not offensive. Wearing.

Preach to you? You joined the thread to preach to me. Unless you’re referring to a similarly paranoid exchange in another topic, in which case how petty

With your first contribution to this discussion, you picked out a post that was not addressed to you, nor in direct disagreement with you or anyone else. You disagreed with it, later criticised it, then went on to berate the person that posted it by accusing them of criticism.

I have not once told other people how to live their lives. I have repeatedly stated that everyone is free to make their own personal choices. What I have done, is attempt to correct factual falsehoods regarding human metabolism, and try to offer answers when questions have been asked.

If you view that as preaching, then perhaps you might take a look at your own posts in this topic to see how it’s really done. It appears to me that in fact you sir are the person here who cannot abide the views and opinions of others that do not align with your own. The irony is fabulous.

You should give ketosis a try, it might make you think clearer

[Kenny Powers]

Interesting webpage here that I found on diet doctor. Informative video near the bottom that talks about reversing T2DM

[bexVN]

TartanPaint said:

Telling people they are lazy and responsible for their own fatness and death is not useful at all.

I know a few people who put massive efforts into losing weight through diet and exercise time and time again, and they fail. Far more effort than I did by simply changing what I eat.

I don't think it's always effort. It's that people have been given bad information their entire lives and there's nobody out there changing the information, because that supertanker cannot be turned around.

My sister tries and tries to lose weight by eating low fat food. I suspect she's pre-diabetic, so that's never going to work. She cannot undesrtand any advice that isn't "eat low fat versions of everything" or "stick to weight watchers points" and she's fat and permanently hungry and tired. The more she exercises (and she does) the more she runs out of energy and crashes. But will she have some sausage or cheese? No, it's a "nutrition bar" or some other st, because she's been told her entire life that low fat is healthy, oats are healthy, fruit is healthy.

Your sister needs to fundamentally change her eating habits. I am pre diabetic, I am doing weight watchers. 14 weeks in I have lost 2 stone.

I don't eat low fat foods per say. I am just making better food choices. Planning meals more, eating less carbs and more whole foods and lots of eggs! I don't eat loads of fruit, I prefer veg and dark leafy greens. Less snacking etc etc

I keep looking into the keto diet but I don't know if I can do it, time will tell. I don't eat a lot of meat and would prefer to eat less than I do (actually none at all). I suspect that does not work well with a keto diet, judging by what I have read so far!

[Kenny Powers]

Keto doesn’t necessitate lots of meat. Far from it. In fact too much meat will mean it doesn’t even work. Choice is yours though, obviously.

Well done with your progress so far! Honestly it sounds like you’ve already cut out a great deal of carbs. Particularly fruit, too much of which, especially juiced, is basically a fast track ticket to fatty liver and leptin resistance.

[bexVN]

Kenny Powers said:

Keto doesn’t necessitate lots of meat. Far from it. In fact too much meat will mean it doesn’t even work. Choice is yours though, obviously.

Well done with your progress so far! Honestly it sounds like you’ve already cut out a great deal of carbs. Particularly fruit, too much of which, especially juiced, is basically a fast track ticket to fatty liver and leptin resistance.

I rarely drink fruit juices or smoothies etc. My carb intake has definitely dropped and could drop further, working in that .

For an ex vegetarian it appears meat orientated... But I realise it probably isn't.

[Kenny Powers]

bexVN said:

I rarely drink fruit juices or smoothies etc. My carb intake has definitely dropped and could drop further, working in that .

For an ex vegetarian it appears meat orientated... But I realise it probably isn't.

In my view, a certain amount of meat is necessary for proper nutrition, but it definitely isn’t crucial for ketosis. As I say, quite the opposite can be true. There are plenty of vegetarians and even vegans eating a ketogenic diet. If you ever chose that path it’s certainly possible to achieve, but personally I’d hate it. Again, personal choices.

I think the leaning towards meat comes about mostly by it being a very good source of saturated fat. I don’t eat much of it at all myself (excluding fish) but the red meat and chicken that I do consume is always the fattiest cuts possible, and the fat is never ever trimmed off.

Edited by Kenny Powers on Thursday 27th September 14:35

[LordGrover]

This may be of interest, especially if sufferers are overweight (whatever that means): BMJ.

[Kenny Powers]

Thanks very much for that. Informative resource. Added to reading list for future reference

[boxst]

I have a new phenomenon -- feeling cold. I've spent much of my life wearing a T-Shirt until it snows, but as the temperature is dropping I am reaching for my coat. A most odd feeling along with hardly sweating at all when it is toasty inside or outside. Amazing.

My weight has stabilised around 64kg, although I'm still looking a bit concentration camp chic so when my latest work trip (to America) is over I need to get some exercise in.

[Kenny Powers]

Noticed the same thing over the last couple of years but I put it down to getting old

[zygalski]

Lots of Mr Fancy Pants diet recommendations in this thread.
What happened to the advice we were all aware of when growing up, and prior to the T2 epidemic:
Eat a balanced diet with plenty of fresh fruit & veg, and white meat & fish.
Take regular exercise.
Reduce or avoid alcohol & don't smoke.

[Kenny Powers]

zygalski said:

Lots of Mr Fancy Pants diet recommendations in this thread.
What happened to the advice we were all aware of when growing up, and prior to the T2 epidemic:
Eat a balanced diet with plenty of fresh fruit & veg, and white meat & fish.
Take regular exercise.
Reduce or avoid alcohol & don't smoke.

Reversing type 2 diabetes, or perhaps more accurately putting it into remission, is generally defined as no medication and no symptoms. You cannot do this without a dietary intervention that massively reduces or eliminates carbohydrate.

We’re not discussing people’s opinion of what they consider to be a healthy balanced diet, we’re discussing reversing an extremely serious metabolic malfunction.

[zygalski]

Kenny Powers said:

zygalski said:

Lots of Mr Fancy Pants diet recommendations in this thread.
What happened to the advice we were all aware of when growing up, and prior to the T2 epidemic:
Eat a balanced diet with plenty of fresh fruit & veg, and white meat & fish.
Take regular exercise.
Reduce or avoid alcohol & don't smoke.

Reversing type 2 diabetes, or perhaps more accurately putting it into remission, is generally defined as no medication and no symptoms. You cannot do this without a dietary intervention that massively reduces or eliminates carbohydrate.

We’re not discussing people’s opinion of what they consider to be a healthy balanced diet, we’re discussing reversing an extremely serious metabolic malfunction.

My point is, how have so many people now developed T2 in the first place, and why is it so much more common now than 20 years ago?
I accept that someone who has chronic T2 diabetes now isn't going to solve it by eating a bit more fresh fruit & veg. That wasn't the point I was making.

[Kenny Powers]

Well that appears to be a matter of opinion.

There’s endless discussion on this topic in the ketosis and LCHF threads in this forum. They’re both currently active so should easily be spotted in the list

[Phil.]

zygalski said:

My point is, how have so many people now developed T2 in the first place, and why is it so much more common now than 20 years ago?
I accept that someone who has chronic T2 diabetes now isn't going to solve it by eating a bit more fresh fruit & veg. That wasn't the point I was making.

Because for the past 20 years people have been eating more carbs on a daily basis and that is because government policy changed to recommend a low fat diet. Fat was replaced by more carbs in diets.

Simply put, more carbs = more insulin = insulin resistance = weight gain, repeated over decades = T2

[zygalski]

Phil. said:

zygalski said:

My point is, how have so many people now developed T2 in the first place, and why is it so much more common now than 20 years ago?
I accept that someone who has chronic T2 diabetes now isn't going to solve it by eating a bit more fresh fruit & veg. That wasn't the point I was making.

Because for the past 20 years people have been eating more carbs on a daily basis and that is because government policy changed to recommend a low fat diet. Fat was replaced by more carbs in diets.

Simply put, more carbs = more insulin = insulin resistance = weight gain, repeated over decades = T2

I don't remember government advice suggesting a high carb diet.
I do remember regular advice with regards to eating a balanced diet, as I mentioned before.

[Phil.]

In 1977 the government changed its daily dietary recommendations. Carbs quota increased and fats reduced for the majority on a daily basis. All of the food industry followed suit.

Still today government recommends eating c. 300g of carbs per day on a ‘balanced diet’.

Try looking it up if you want to know more.

[Bill]

Phil. said:

Still today government recommends eating c. 300g of carbs per day on a ‘balanced diet’.

And how many obese and/or T2 diabetics do that? And how many eat (much) more?

[Badda]

zygalski said:

I don't remember government advice suggesting a high carb diet.
I do remember regular advice with regards to eating a balanced diet, as I mentioned before.

There was a massive low-fat push in the 80s. Guess what replaced the fat? I believe that’s in part for the crisis, that and cheap crap food now.

[Phil.]

Bill said:

And how many obese and/or T2 diabetics do that? And how many eat (much) more?

If they eat processed food containing added sugar and goodness knows what else, I expect they will exceed even the government’s (too high) daily carb recommendation.

Eating carbs become addictive so many increase their intake over time, thus the cycle toward T2 accelerates and the number of T2’s increases too.

The original question answered was why over the last 20 years are there increasing cases of T2 and it is because people eat more carbs now than before.