Cardio for fat loss
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got to be able to reward all your hard work.blindswelledrat said:
Just to give you a quick guide to how crap exercise is for weight loss, compared with diet:
RUnning 1km burns off approximately 100 calories.
UNless you are fit, its difficult to do enough cardio to make *that* much difference.
In other words its a lot easier to eat 100 calories less than to run 1k in my opinion.
Well, I'm going to have to say your statement about running 1km and only burning 100 calories, RUnning 1km burns off approximately 100 calories.
UNless you are fit, its difficult to do enough cardio to make *that* much difference.
In other words its a lot easier to eat 100 calories less than to run 1k in my opinion.
just isn't helpful as it doesn't consider the height or weight of the person in question.
A 250lbs 6' 2" man can easily burn 400 calories from just "walking" at 5kmh for about an hour.
Good thread.
I'm always in and out of exercise and diets. Have 11 weeks until holiday, going to start at the start of july with diet and plan. Bust my balls for 8 weeks and see how it goes. Going to keep track and log all exercises and food intake. Want to change the way I feel and look. Going to be hard but I want to give this a really good go. Might need help in the next few weeks
fatpasty said:
Good thread.
I'm always in and out of exercise and diets. Have 11 weeks until holiday, going to start at the start of july with diet and plan. Bust my balls for 8 weeks and see how it goes. Going to keep track and log all exercises and food intake. Want to change the way I feel and look. Going to be hard but I want to give this a really good go. Might need help in the next few weeks
Use myfitnesspal.com for logging everything.I'm always in and out of exercise and diets. Have 11 weeks until holiday, going to start at the start of july with diet and plan. Bust my balls for 8 weeks and see how it goes. Going to keep track and log all exercises and food intake. Want to change the way I feel and look. Going to be hard but I want to give this a really good go. Might need help in the next few weeks
May sound cheesy, but think of it as a "lifestyle change" (uurgh) as opposed to 8 weeks you're going to go mad on excercise and diet.
Find a good medium of eating and excercising well that you can stick to every day, and make that the norm, you'll find it is much more effective, healthy, and long lasting approach than trying to go to extremes for 8 weeks.
The results will take longer to come, but they will be much more sustainable.
Find a good medium of eating and excercising well that you can stick to every day, and make that the norm, you'll find it is much more effective, healthy, and long lasting approach than trying to go to extremes for 8 weeks.
The results will take longer to come, but they will be much more sustainable.
Ordinary_Chap said:
Its a complex equation and there are many sides to this (Goldblum is better at explaining than me).
There is a difference between anaerobic zone and aerobic training zone.
Anaerobic i.e. lots of hard effort will burn more calories and aerobic burns more calories stored from fat.
I've tried both and achieved good results using both in conjunction with weight training and a good diet. I'm personally unsure of which is most effective since I've had results with both, my answer is to do both on different sessions when I do cardio.
When I'm hard at it, I take a early morning run along the beach which I actually love, I love listening to the sea and having the quite time to think about things. I then have a weight lifting session in the evening followed by a short burst of high intensity training immediately afterwards.
It's interesting stuff, and not something we often consider in athletics traiing as fat loss is rarely a target. One thing that is always a target for distance runners is raising their "threshold" pace - i.e. the fastest pace you can maintain without going into anaerobic respiration at all. The lactic threshold heart rate is a key training zone for us.There is a difference between anaerobic zone and aerobic training zone.
Anaerobic i.e. lots of hard effort will burn more calories and aerobic burns more calories stored from fat.
I've tried both and achieved good results using both in conjunction with weight training and a good diet. I'm personally unsure of which is most effective since I've had results with both, my answer is to do both on different sessions when I do cardio.
When I'm hard at it, I take a early morning run along the beach which I actually love, I love listening to the sea and having the quite time to think about things. I then have a weight lifting session in the evening followed by a short burst of high intensity training immediately afterwards.
Anyway, way off topic.
blindswelledrat said:
daz3210 said:
ewenm said:
Presumably there's a typo there? 10k running (or equiv) is a lot of exercise for an unfit person but not for a fit person.
Regardless of whether its fit or unfit, you would have to do 3+ times that just to shift a 1lb in weight. And that assuming all the exercise was fat burning.I believe its about 4000 calories in a pound, 4 10k runs in a week to burn 1lb is a horrific return in my opinion. Dieting is a far easier way of doing it.
I'm be doing a 4 hour session on the road ( bike ) Sat so will burn 3-4k cals, and another 2 hours Sunday, so over the weekend alone 5k cals
Running an hour a day is nothing, Humans are designed to run 10+ hours per day we've just become lazy B******s, do you know the person sits on their arse watching TV for 30 hours a week... in the USA it's over 150 hours a month FFS.
superkartracer said:
Running an hour a day is nothing, Humans are designed to run 10+ hours per day we've just become lazy B******s, do you know the person sits on their arse watching TV for 30 hours a week... in the USA it's over 150 hours a month FFS.
I dont imagine we really are designed to run 10 hours a day, maybe a couple hours at most while trying to bring down a woolly Mammoth, but if anyone ran 10 hours a day for any length of time they'd have a lifespan of about 5 years, and their knees and hips would be destroyed in no time. Our bodies are better equiped for walking/trekking some distance with shorter periods of running, but you'd have to include periods of recovery, and certainly a few days in the cave doing nothing after a few days of effort.
The way many of us do it now is probably a lot healthier and akin to a longer life (especially with knees and backs) by training for 2 - 5 hours a week and then relaxing in front of the TV.
BananaBok said:
I dont imagine we really are designed to run 10 hours a day, maybe a couple hours at most while trying to bring down a woolly Mammoth, but if anyone ran 10 hours a day for any length of time they'd have a lifespan of about 5 years, and their knees and hips would be destroyed in no time.
Our bodies are better equiped for walking/trekking some distance with shorter periods of running, but you'd have to include periods of recovery, and certainly a few days in the cave doing nothing after a few days of effort.
The way many of us do it now is probably a lot healthier and akin to a longer life (especially with knees and backs) by training for 2 - 5 hours a week and then relaxing in front of the TV.
I posted this in The Running Thread:Our bodies are better equiped for walking/trekking some distance with shorter periods of running, but you'd have to include periods of recovery, and certainly a few days in the cave doing nothing after a few days of effort.
The way many of us do it now is probably a lot healthier and akin to a longer life (especially with knees and backs) by training for 2 - 5 hours a week and then relaxing in front of the TV.
ewenm said:
Why nearly every sport except long-distance running is fundamentally absurd
Great article on human evolution for running and with a name check for Huw Lobb and the Man vs Horse race
We really have evolved to hunt down much faster prey by being able to out-last them in hot temperatures.Great article on human evolution for running and with a name check for Huw Lobb and the Man vs Horse race
superkartracer said:
30-40km is only 18-24 miles a week! and you only want to lose 1-2lb max a weeks anyway, so diet+ training will hot that target and you get fit at the same time.
I'm be doing a 4 hour session on the road ( bike ) Sat so will burn 3-4k cals, and another 2 hours Sunday, so over the weekend alone 5k cals
.
Each to thier own, I guess.I'm be doing a 4 hour session on the road ( bike ) Sat so will burn 3-4k cals, and another 2 hours Sunday, so over the weekend alone 5k cals
.
You spend you entire spare weekend involved in on a bicycle and I will do better things and eat less!
SirBlade said:
blindswelledrat said:
Just to give you a quick guide to how crap exercise is for weight loss, compared with diet:
RUnning 1km burns off approximately 100 calories.
UNless you are fit, its difficult to do enough cardio to make *that* much difference.
In other words its a lot easier to eat 100 calories less than to run 1k in my opinion.
Well, I'm going to have to say your statement about running 1km and only burning 100 calories, RUnning 1km burns off approximately 100 calories.
UNless you are fit, its difficult to do enough cardio to make *that* much difference.
In other words its a lot easier to eat 100 calories less than to run 1k in my opinion.
just isn't helpful as it doesn't consider the height or weight of the person in question.
A 250lbs 6' 2" man can easily burn 400 calories from just "walking" at 5kmh for about an hour.
IM hazarding a guess that given that the OP is a woman, then she won't be a 250lbs man or an elephant-cheetah hybrid.
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~skeleton/pdfs/2007c.pd...
http://www.mattmetzgar.com/matt_metzgar/files/pers...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Corbitt
^^
Died @ 88 and used to run 200 miles a week
Humans can do far more than 40km or 24miles a week.
Like i said people have become lazy.
http://www.mattmetzgar.com/matt_metzgar/files/pers...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Corbitt
^^
Died @ 88 and used to run 200 miles a week
Humans can do far more than 40km or 24miles a week.
Like i said people have become lazy.
blindswelledrat said:
superkartracer said:
30-40km is only 18-24 miles a week! and you only want to lose 1-2lb max a weeks anyway, so diet+ training will hot that target and you get fit at the same time.
I'm be doing a 4 hour session on the road ( bike ) Sat so will burn 3-4k cals, and another 2 hours Sunday, so over the weekend alone 5k cals
.
Each to thier own, I guess.I'm be doing a 4 hour session on the road ( bike ) Sat so will burn 3-4k cals, and another 2 hours Sunday, so over the weekend alone 5k cals
.
You spend you entire spare weekend involved in on a bicycle and I will do better things and eat less!
I'm up at 6am bed for 11pm so thats 34 hours - 6 training... 28 left for other stuff, and i can cram more in than normal folk as far fitter etc
+ i get to eat as much crap as i like
Edited by superkartracer on Friday 22 June 14:58
blindswelledrat said:
And an elephant running at 60 mph on a treadmill with a lorry trying to tow it off the treadmill will burn off 65000 calories every 10 minutes.
IM hazarding a guess that given that the OP is a woman, then she won't be a 250lbs man or an elephant-cheetah hybrid.
Yes a woman, not a big man or running creature, and not allowed to run anyway IM hazarding a guess that given that the OP is a woman, then she won't be a 250lbs man or an elephant-cheetah hybrid.
superkartracer said:
Well no, i'll be up at 6am and training will be finished by 10.30 then off for full body massage ( via fit chick ) so all done for midday , then have the rest of the day to do other stuff. Most will be crawling out of bed midday still pissed from Friday night.
I'm up at 6am bed for 11pm so thats 34 hours - 6 training... 28 left for other stuff, and i can cram more in than normal folk as far fitter etc
+ i get to eat as much crap as i like
Im going to guess that you're still young, under 30 for sure, give it another ten years and when you're my age you're day will sound more like this:I'm up at 6am bed for 11pm so thats 34 hours - 6 training... 28 left for other stuff, and i can cram more in than normal folk as far fitter etc
+ i get to eat as much crap as i like
Edited by superkartracer on Friday 22 June 14:58
"i'll be up at 5:30am because one of the kids has fallen out of bed, getting the kids and myself breakfast between playing dinosaurs will be finished by 10.30 then off for a day of trying to fix the bathroom tap that I broke while fixing the drip last weekend, so all done for 6PM , then have the rest of the evening to help get the kids ready for bed. Most will be crawling out of bed at 5:30 again still exhausted from Friday night.
I'm up at 5:30am bed for 9pm so thats 34 hours - 6 doing something I want (usually sleeping)... 28 left to get all my chores done.
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