Why not pay teenage girls to have a contraceptive implant?

[G'kar]

tinman0 said:

Martial Arts Man said:

tinman0 said:

Tony*T3 said:

If the welfare class didnt knock out loads of sprogs there be a population crisis in the UK. No one to sweep the roads, empty the bins or help the aged PistonHead class clear their bowels affectivly.

You think they get low paid jobs like being a binman? Are you having a laugh or something?

You think binmen are low paid jobs? Are you having a laugh or something?

30-50K Google said.

Seems a lot for what is basically, a very simple job.

Don't think so. My landlord was a HGV driver on the dust for a few years (left about 3 years ago).

He was lucky to see £800 a week after tax. The loaders got paid about 3/4 of that. They were always short staffed, and temps lasted under a week.

You think the pikey underclass are going to take a job paying £10k, where you have to be up at 5am, do some hard work, and smell like st at the end of the day?

Your in a dream world. Sorry.

There was a case of a road sweeper on £50k a few months ago, because he was taking on all sorts of on-call duties iirc, but he was found to be on an old contract and that was reduced fairly quickly once the media found out.

£800 a week after tax is comfortably above £50K pa.

[johnfm]

Knock the benefits on the head.

European countries pay single mums fk all. They have to turn to their families for support.

No councils houses for sprogged up teens and child allowance for the first child only.

No more needed.

[ShadownINja]

Call me hardcore but I say an implant from birth that prevents girls getting pregnant. If they want a child they have to pay £10k to deactivate it. We'll call it a child tax. It's a bit like child tax credits but in reverse ie you pay the government. I can see one major flaw in my plan... only the rich will be able to afford to have children and so we'll have no bin men, posties, tea ladies, hospital porters. Hmm, might need a rethink.

[Chris_w666]

ShadownINja said:

Call me hardcore but I say an implant from birth that prevents girls getting pregnant. If they want a child they have to pay £10k to deactivate it. We'll call it a child tax. It's a bit like child tax credits but in reverse ie you pay the government. I can see one major flaw in my plan... only the rich will be able to afford to have children and so we'll have no bin men, posties, tea ladies, hospital porters. Hmm, might need a rethink.

I can't see a huge flaw, simply remove the cost element and make the de-activation free, on the conditions that the female is in a commmitted relationship and the 2 can support themselves and their offspring.

They must also prove that at least one of them fulfills a useful role in society, regardless of it being a bin-man or a doctor.

[V8mate]

Chris_w666 said:

ShadownINja said:

Call me hardcore but I say an implant from birth that prevents girls getting pregnant. If they want a child they have to pay £10k to deactivate it. We'll call it a child tax. It's a bit like child tax credits but in reverse ie you pay the government. I can see one major flaw in my plan... only the rich will be able to afford to have children and so we'll have no bin men, posties, tea ladies, hospital porters. Hmm, might need a rethink.

I can't see a huge flaw, simply remove the cost element and make the de-activation free, on the conditions that the female is in a commmitted relationship and the 2 can support themselves and their offspring.

They must also prove that at least one of them fulfills a useful role in society, regardless of it being a bin-man or a doctor.

Be a lot of wealthy, childless couples in the City then

[Chris_w666]

V8mate said:

Chris_w666 said:

ShadownINja said:

Call me hardcore but I say an implant from birth that prevents girls getting pregnant. If they want a child they have to pay £10k to deactivate it. We'll call it a child tax. It's a bit like child tax credits but in reverse ie you pay the government. I can see one major flaw in my plan... only the rich will be able to afford to have children and so we'll have no bin men, posties, tea ladies, hospital porters. Hmm, might need a rethink.

I can't see a huge flaw, simply remove the cost element and make the de-activation free, on the conditions that the female is in a commmitted relationship and the 2 can support themselves and their offspring.

They must also prove that at least one of them fulfills a useful role in society, regardless of it being a bin-man or a doctor.

Be a lot of wealthy, childless couples in the City then

You said that not me

[NiceCupOfTea]

G'kar said:

tinman0 said:

Martial Arts Man said:

tinman0 said:

Tony*T3 said:

If the welfare class didnt knock out loads of sprogs there be a population crisis in the UK. No one to sweep the roads, empty the bins or help the aged PistonHead class clear their bowels affectivly.

You think they get low paid jobs like being a binman? Are you having a laugh or something?

You think binmen are low paid jobs? Are you having a laugh or something?

30-50K Google said.

Seems a lot for what is basically, a very simple job.

Don't think so. My landlord was a HGV driver on the dust for a few years (left about 3 years ago).

He was lucky to see £800 a week after tax. The loaders got paid about 3/4 of that. They were always short staffed, and temps lasted under a week.

You think the pikey underclass are going to take a job paying £10k, where you have to be up at 5am, do some hard work, and smell like st at the end of the day?

Your in a dream world. Sorry.

There was a case of a road sweeper on £50k a few months ago, because he was taking on all sorts of on-call duties iirc, but he was found to be on an old contract and that was reduced fairly quickly once the media found out.

£800 a week after tax is comfortably above £50K pa.

Indeed, that's more than I earn! OK, I can't drive an HGV but even so, £30k AFTER TAX (=£40k ish before tax?) for loading bins? It may not be much fun, but it's not very skilled! You'd have to be on some pretty tidy benefits for it to be more lucrative than that!

[V8mate]

NiceCupOfTea said:

G'kar said:

tinman0 said:

Martial Arts Man said:

tinman0 said:

Tony*T3 said:

If the welfare class didnt knock out loads of sprogs there be a population crisis in the UK. No one to sweep the roads, empty the bins or help the aged PistonHead class clear their bowels affectivly.

You think they get low paid jobs like being a binman? Are you having a laugh or something?

You think binmen are low paid jobs? Are you having a laugh or something?

30-50K Google said.

Seems a lot for what is basically, a very simple job.

Don't think so. My landlord was a HGV driver on the dust for a few years (left about 3 years ago).

He was lucky to see £800 a week after tax. The loaders got paid about 3/4 of that. They were always short staffed, and temps lasted under a week.

You think the pikey underclass are going to take a job paying £10k, where you have to be up at 5am, do some hard work, and smell like st at the end of the day?

Your in a dream world. Sorry.

There was a case of a road sweeper on £50k a few months ago, because he was taking on all sorts of on-call duties iirc, but he was found to be on an old contract and that was reduced fairly quickly once the media found out.

£800 a week after tax is comfortably above £50K pa.

Indeed, that's more than I earn! OK, I can't drive an HGV but even so, £30k AFTER TAX (=£40k ish before tax?) for loading bins? It may not be much fun, but it's not very skilled! You'd have to be on some pretty tidy benefits for it to be more lucrative than that!

I think tinman meant £800 net per month.

[Martial Arts Man]

V8mate said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

G'kar said:

tinman0 said:

Martial Arts Man said:

tinman0 said:

Tony*T3 said:

If the welfare class didnt knock out loads of sprogs there be a population crisis in the UK. No one to sweep the roads, empty the bins or help the aged PistonHead class clear their bowels affectivly.

You think they get low paid jobs like being a binman? Are you having a laugh or something?

You think binmen are low paid jobs? Are you having a laugh or something?

30-50K Google said.

Seems a lot for what is basically, a very simple job.

Don't think so. My landlord was a HGV driver on the dust for a few years (left about 3 years ago).

He was lucky to see £800 a week after tax. The loaders got paid about 3/4 of that. They were always short staffed, and temps lasted under a week.

You think the pikey underclass are going to take a job paying £10k, where you have to be up at 5am, do some hard work, and smell like st at the end of the day?

Your in a dream world. Sorry.

There was a case of a road sweeper on £50k a few months ago, because he was taking on all sorts of on-call duties iirc, but he was found to be on an old contract and that was reduced fairly quickly once the media found out.

£800 a week after tax is comfortably above £50K pa.

Indeed, that's more than I earn! OK, I can't drive an HGV but even so, £30k AFTER TAX (=£40k ish before tax?) for loading bins? It may not be much fun, but it's not very skilled! You'd have to be on some pretty tidy benefits for it to be more lucrative than that!

I think tinman meant £800 net per month.

I hope so....

Sadly, I think he did indeed mean that.

£600 for a normal, non driving bin man, per month is unrealistic for any job.....they are full time though right?

[Chris_w666]

NiceCupOfTea said:

Indeed, that's more than I earn! OK, I can't drive an HGV but even so, £30k AFTER TAX (=£40k ish before tax?) for loading bins? It may not be much fun, but it's not very skilled! You'd have to be on some pretty tidy benefits for it to be more lucrative than that!

I think the value of your benefits is much higher than the cash in your pocket when you consider free housing, free prescriptions, free travel to school for your kids, subsidised school uniforms, free school meals, access to sports facilities for free, the travel to a job interview reimbursed, the clothing allowance to look smart for an interview etc.. When you couple that with JSA, income support, child tax credits, Family allowance, all of the stuff provided free of charge so you don't have to look after your own children, and the fact that you don't need to bother getting up at 6am to go out do a full days work before getting home and helping the missus look after the children. Then £30k a year isn't so attractive to a huge number of people.

[MrV]

V8mate said:

Corpulent Tosser said:

MrV said:

Simple way to cut down teen pregnancy.

Don't give them council accommodation in any shape or form until they are 18.

A subject that annoys me frequently, I like your idea but I would make it 21 minimum, let their parents house them, they might be less inclined to get pregnant then.
In addition I would not increase the benefits payment to anyone currently on benefits if they have another child, I would have it adopted or at least fostered until such time as the parent(s) can support it.

Then their parents would just claim that they are under-housed and demand a larger property.

Give them a tent to put in the garden ,there again I would say tough titties you should have instilled some sort of decency in your kids.

I am early forties and remember being terrified that I would get a girl pregnant when I was in my teens as where most of my mates,now it seems a badge of honour amongst the ferals.

[cymtriks]

The real problem is means tested benefits.

It creates this problem. It also creates a huge beauraucracy to manage the process of determining "need".

Recently I helped to fill in two 35 page forms and a 10 page form for an eldrely lady how is having trouble reading and has early altzimers. Thats a total of over 80 pages including extra stuff we had to supply. Just imagine the numbers of office staff required to administer this for every claim for every claimant in the country.

We should just give out benefits as follows:

• One flat rate that everyone over 18 gets
• Transferable tax breaks for all maternity and child benefits (including SMP etc)
• cash related to how much you have paid in

That way no one gets nothing and everyone gets a minimum ammount. To get more than the minimum you must pay something in first and deliberately making yourself needy to live a life on benefits would be impossible unless you want to stay on the basic flat rate all your life.

Also working always makes you better off. You don't lose the basic flat rate, you always get it. As you earn and pay tax you qualify for more (tax breaks or contribution related payments) as you go, if you need it.

There. Sorted.

[chris.mapey]

Just to wade in about bin men pay...

I work in the industry (not on the trucks though )

Most drivers for wheelie bin operations are earning about £15 per hour gross for a 38 hr week, with up to 10 hrs overtime at time & a half.

There's usually a bonus of up to £50 per week as well for hitting collection targets.

38 * £15.00 = £570
10 * £22.50 = £225
Bonus = £50

Total Gross = £845 per week

Hope that helps.

It's actually quite hard work as well - avergad day's work is to visit 150 sites, and empty about 300 bins, starting at abour 2.30am

As you were all...Back to Plotters & his cyanide laced 'hoops

[neilsie]

chris.mapey said:

Just to wade in about bin men pay...

I work in the industry (not on the trucks though )

Most drivers for wheelie bin operations are earning about £15 per hour gross for a 38 hr week, with up to 10 hrs overtime at time & a half.

There's usually a bonus of up to £50 per week as well for hitting collection targets.

38 * £15.00 = £570
10 * £22.50 = £225
Bonus = £50

Total Gross = £845 per week

Hope that helps.

It's actually quite hard work as well - avergad day's work is to visit 150 sites, and empty about 300 bins, starting at abour 2.30am

As you were all...Back to Plotters & his cyanide laced 'hoops

hard? isn't the driver just sitting in his cab, whilst his troops are doing the more physical work running up and down roads.. what is the pay for these guys? similar or much less?

[Bigdrift]

chris.mapey said:

Just to wade in about bin men pay...

I work in the industry (not on the trucks though )

Most drivers for wheelie bin operations are earning about £15 per hour gross for a 38 hr week, with up to 10 hrs overtime at time & a half.

There's usually a bonus of up to £50 per week as well for hitting collection targets.

38 * £15.00 = £570
10 * £22.50 = £225
Bonus = £50

Total Gross = £845 per week

Hope that helps.

It's actually quite hard work as well - avergad day's work is to visit 150 sites, and empty about 300 bins, starting at abour 2.30am

As you were all...Back to Plotters & his cyanide laced 'hoops

£845 a week ! jeeez i wish i get not much more a month ! hey ho

anyway chaps this is whizzing o/t a little , lets go with the hoops idea but with a twist, put the cyanide in the white lightning/cheap lager/other chav beverage (delete as applicable) it would be more selective in the targeting i feel

[drivin_me_nuts]

ShadownINja said:

Call me hardcore but I say an implant from birth that prevents girls getting pregnant. If they want a child they have to pay £10k to deactivate it. We'll call it a child tax. It's a bit like child tax credits but in reverse ie you pay the government. I can see one major flaw in my plan... only the rich will be able to afford to have children and so we'll have no bin men, posties, tea ladies, hospital porters. Hmm, might need a rethink.

I can see it now ... meeting some dodgy bloke in the motorway service station to plug yer missus in so she is deactivated £500 for a remap and she'll be ready to breed. Yes, the Deactivation Mothering Service.

Definately onto a winner.

[cornishgirl]

ShadownINja said:

Call me hardcore but I say an implant from birth that prevents girls getting pregnant. If they want a child they have to pay £10k to deactivate it. We'll call it a child tax. It's a bit like child tax credits but in reverse ie you pay the government. I can see one major flaw in my plan... only the rich will be able to afford to have children and so we'll have no bin men, posties, tea ladies, hospital porters. Hmm, might need a rethink.

Better still, give all male babies an implant that renders them sterile AND impotent.

At a stroke (sic) this would stop all unwanted pregnancies, sexual assaults and prevent the spread of STIs.

[Scraggles]

chatting with a girl in a supermarket yesterday, if she is lucky she gets around £6-800 take home each month, but seems better than scrounging off the dole all the time

[drivin_me_nuts]

cornishgirl said:

ShadownINja said:

Call me hardcore but I say an implant from birth that prevents girls getting pregnant. If they want a child they have to pay £10k to deactivate it. We'll call it a child tax. It's a bit like child tax credits but in reverse ie you pay the government. I can see one major flaw in my plan... only the rich will be able to afford to have children and so we'll have no bin men, posties, tea ladies, hospital porters. Hmm, might need a rethink.

Better still, give all male babies an implant that renders them sterile AND impotent.

At a stroke (sic) this would stop all unwanted pregnancies, sexual assaults and prevent the spread of STIs.

... rendering the only use for men as a cash machine..

not sure if that will ever catch on ...

[chris.mapey]

neilsie said:

chris.mapey said:

Just to wade in about bin men pay...

I work in the industry (not on the trucks though )

Most drivers for wheelie bin operations are earning about £15 per hour gross for a 38 hr week, with up to 10 hrs overtime at time & a half.

There's usually a bonus of up to £50 per week as well for hitting collection targets.

38 * £15.00 = £570
10 * £22.50 = £225
Bonus = £50

Total Gross = £845 per week

Hope that helps.

It's actually quite hard work as well - avergad day's work is to visit 150 sites, and empty about 300 bins, starting at abour 2.30am

As you were all...Back to Plotters & his cyanide laced 'hoops

hard? isn't the driver just sitting in his cab, whilst his troops are doing the more physical work running up and down roads.. what is the pay for these guys? similar or much less?

Those figures are for a single operative driver - does all the work himself (drives, then gets out & loads)

Loaders are on about half that, drivers are abou 75%

HTH