PH Losers 2020 - Anyone want to join me?
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S100HP said:
Really struggling here, the weight has increased by a few lbs, back up to 17st2 this morning 
Are you tracking rigorously what you are eating ?I find there is your day to day scale weight and also an ebb and flow, I went out for a Pizza with the wife last week, probably ate over 1000 calories, but, I had saved myself so I had not eaten that much during the day, therefore I had probably not eaten more than 2000 calories for the day.
However, for two days my weight went up a pound, I am guessing this is the Pizza passing on through, maybe the salt in it also causing more water to be held onto and it being converted to glycogen which gets stored in the Liver, Muscles and brain. The Pizza hadnt added over a pound of fat, that is impossible as even if you ate it in excess of what you use it would still only be less than a third of a pound of fat, even if it all was sorted and it really isnt quite that simple but you get the idea.
in the background I am eating a consistent 2000 calories or thereabouts, my watch is saying i am using nearer 3000 with exercise, allowing for it not being exact I definitely have a deficit and over the weeks my weight drops slowly, this is exactly the same stealth process that occurs as we gain weight.
Only need another 100 calories a day extra surplus on average to see over ten pounds gained over a year, so it works the other way too, when we diet we look for a quick fix and a massive deficit or starvation, but it really needs to come off fairly slowly and consistency is key, have to be honest with yourself about what you are eating and drinking.
I reckon its like being on a plane, pilots start their descent 100 miles or more from their destination and descent slowly, they dont get to within sight of the airport and nosedive expecting a good outcome. I used to do this and its doomed to failure, a week or two of starvation then back to old habits.
I dont bother with Myfitnesspal, but I did before and it sort of trained me to use calories as a bit of a guide, not the be all and end all and I dont just eat 2000 calories worth of chips a day but its a good guide.
Trim a few calories off what you eat at one end of the equation, burn a few more at the other via activity.
Recognise the ebb and flow that goes on, loads of things can influence it, but if you are truly consistent and using more than you take in, your weight will come down, if it goes up, dont get despondent, tomorrow is another day and if it doesnt come down, dont get cocky.
Thanks to all for the positive words.
Good post by Jacko; one thing I'd add about the long game - track it over time, it really helps me to see that even though there have been a few weeks where I maintained and a couple where I had small gains, the long term trend on the graph over the last 6 months is evident - even if it didn't always feel like it.
Seeing it visually like that is very motivating for me.
Good post by Jacko; one thing I'd add about the long game - track it over time, it really helps me to see that even though there have been a few weeks where I maintained and a couple where I had small gains, the long term trend on the graph over the last 6 months is evident - even if it didn't always feel like it.
Seeing it visually like that is very motivating for me.
J4CKO said:
S100HP said:
Really struggling here, the weight has increased by a few lbs, back up to 17st2 this morning
Are you tracking rigorously what you are eating ?I find there is your day to day scale weight and also an ebb and flow, I went out for a Pizza with the wife last week, probably ate over 1000 calories, but, I had saved myself so I had not eaten that much during the day, therefore I had probably not eaten more than 2000 calories for the day.
However, for two days my weight went up a pound, I am guessing this is the Pizza passing on through, maybe the salt in it also causing more water to be held onto and it being converted to glycogen which gets stored in the Liver, Muscles and brain. The Pizza hadnt added over a pound of fat, that is impossible as even if you ate it in excess of what you use it would still only be less than a third of a pound of fat, even if it all was sorted and it really isnt quite that simple but you get the idea.
in the background I am eating a consistent 2000 calories or thereabouts, my watch is saying i am using nearer 3000 with exercise, allowing for it not being exact I definitely have a deficit and over the weeks my weight drops slowly, this is exactly the same stealth process that occurs as we gain weight.
Only need another 100 calories a day extra surplus on average to see over ten pounds gained over a year, so it works the other way too, when we diet we look for a quick fix and a massive deficit or starvation, but it really needs to come off fairly slowly and consistency is key, have to be honest with yourself about what you are eating and drinking.
I reckon its like being on a plane, pilots start their descent 100 miles or more from their destination and descent slowly, they dont get to within sight of the airport and nosedive expecting a good outcome. I used to do this and its doomed to failure, a week or two of starvation then back to old habits.
I dont bother with Myfitnesspal, but I did before and it sort of trained me to use calories as a bit of a guide, not the be all and end all and I dont just eat 2000 calories worth of chips a day but its a good guide.
Trim a few calories off what you eat at one end of the equation, burn a few more at the other via activity.
Recognise the ebb and flow that goes on, loads of things can influence it, but if you are truly consistent and using more than you take in, your weight will come down, if it goes up, dont get despondent, tomorrow is another day and if it doesnt come down, dont get cocky.
My wife is actually on route to get a McDonalds (I know I know) but it's still within my calories. I've been pretty strict in adding everything into MyFitnessPal but ensuring I am burning more than I am adding into my mouth and it seems to be working. I am still having chocolate etc, just not 10 biscuits this time
Mr Trophy said:
J4CKO said:
S100HP said:
Really struggling here, the weight has increased by a few lbs, back up to 17st2 this morning
Are you tracking rigorously what you are eating ?I find there is your day to day scale weight and also an ebb and flow, I went out for a Pizza with the wife last week, probably ate over 1000 calories, but, I had saved myself so I had not eaten that much during the day, therefore I had probably not eaten more than 2000 calories for the day.
However, for two days my weight went up a pound, I am guessing this is the Pizza passing on through, maybe the salt in it also causing more water to be held onto and it being converted to glycogen which gets stored in the Liver, Muscles and brain. The Pizza hadnt added over a pound of fat, that is impossible as even if you ate it in excess of what you use it would still only be less than a third of a pound of fat, even if it all was sorted and it really isnt quite that simple but you get the idea.
in the background I am eating a consistent 2000 calories or thereabouts, my watch is saying i am using nearer 3000 with exercise, allowing for it not being exact I definitely have a deficit and over the weeks my weight drops slowly, this is exactly the same stealth process that occurs as we gain weight.
Only need another 100 calories a day extra surplus on average to see over ten pounds gained over a year, so it works the other way too, when we diet we look for a quick fix and a massive deficit or starvation, but it really needs to come off fairly slowly and consistency is key, have to be honest with yourself about what you are eating and drinking.
I reckon its like being on a plane, pilots start their descent 100 miles or more from their destination and descent slowly, they dont get to within sight of the airport and nosedive expecting a good outcome. I used to do this and its doomed to failure, a week or two of starvation then back to old habits.
I dont bother with Myfitnesspal, but I did before and it sort of trained me to use calories as a bit of a guide, not the be all and end all and I dont just eat 2000 calories worth of chips a day but its a good guide.
Trim a few calories off what you eat at one end of the equation, burn a few more at the other via activity.
Recognise the ebb and flow that goes on, loads of things can influence it, but if you are truly consistent and using more than you take in, your weight will come down, if it goes up, dont get despondent, tomorrow is another day and if it doesnt come down, dont get cocky.
My wife is actually on route to get a McDonalds (I know I know) but it's still within my calories. I've been pretty strict in adding everything into MyFitnessPal but ensuring I am burning more than I am adding into my mouth and it seems to be working. I am still having chocolate etc, just not 10 biscuits this time
Can have the off Maccys, as long as it fits into your calories/macros or whatever, its till food, I just do a bit of damage limitation, dont go for the biggest burger, biggest fries and a milkshake, go for a big Mac, small fries and a diet drink or water, prob less than half of the calories of what you could have if you go for the former. You still feel like you have had your cheat.
Smitters said:
Ah well. Down on myself so have been avoiding the scales. Hopped on and hey presto, a kilo or so off. Still not impressed with the diet though, so doing some reading but I'm ready to switch to a more sustainable low carb approach. Mmmmm. Eggs.
Might be worth putting your stats through the calculator on this page - https://www.precisionnutrition.com/nutrition-calcu...116.0kg this week, not sure why the drop, so 1.3kg lost over the week. Had a health check on Monday & they were not happy I had gone up since last year. They reckoned on me being 119.3kg so that seems to be a very heavy shirt & trousers!
Trying to get back into keto this week so I can start seriously loosing.
Trying to get back into keto this week so I can start seriously loosing.
Signed up in good faith.
But then didnt let go of my christmas eating and drinking habits and continued them until this day. The upshot is a futher 3.5kG increase on top of the increase of 5kg over christmas itself.
Thats 8.5 kg gain in 56 days.
And i can really feel it. Clothes are tight, i'm feeling quite titty, quity jiggly.
Need to break the cycle of poor diet -> poor mental health -> more poor eating and drinking -> etc -> etc
But then didnt let go of my christmas eating and drinking habits and continued them until this day. The upshot is a futher 3.5kG increase on top of the increase of 5kg over christmas itself.
Thats 8.5 kg gain in 56 days.
And i can really feel it. Clothes are tight, i'm feeling quite titty, quity jiggly.
Need to break the cycle of poor diet -> poor mental health -> more poor eating and drinking -> etc -> etc
Huntsman said:
Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels.
Nicking that, good quote, maybe change it to slim though rather than skinny.I think we all need to go through a mental process, where progress is more important to us than the food and drink.
Its a cumulative effect once you are going, as you have effectively created something and want to nurture it, i.e weightloss, improving fitness, comfy clothes etc but its getting and keeping that momentum going.
That is the is hard bit, its like going Cold Turkey and initially you dont have any progress to show and you dont have all your delicious food and booze, plus people tend to go in all guns blazing and starve themselves whilst trying to do five years worth of exercise.
It can be a self fulfilling prophecy if you overdo it, slow and steady wins the race, its a marathon not a sprint, plus other cliches !
Its also cyclic, I feel a bit miserable, I know, a massive takeaway and beer will cheer me up, which it will whilst you eat it but then you will feel lardy and the self recriminations start.
The thing is, you can still enjoy food, just less of it with more gaps in between, its not like giving up smoking, which has to be a full stop, but you still have to eat.
So Fred, crack on and make a start, dont put it off any longer, like anything worth having in life it requires sustained effort, but its really not that hard once you get on with it, certainly easier than feeling overweight, not having any pants that fit, enduring comments about it etc.
I'm not quite confident enough to have my full visage on PH but I'll share these with some l33t editing. The first was taken Nov '18, around 4 months before I started the gym and 9 months before I started Slimming World. To be honest, I think I'd already lost some between this and the point I weighed in at Slimming World for the first time in August '19 (which was 172.6kg/27st 2.5lbs), I don't even know what I weighed in this pic but I'm pretty sure it's more than 27st:
This one was taken roughly a fortnight ago and I'm holding a power bag equal to the weight I'd lost at that point (30kg) and still around 142.4kg/22st 6lbs:
Roughly 44kg still to go, I've also lost the beard now it's not hiding a multitude of chins...
This one was taken roughly a fortnight ago and I'm holding a power bag equal to the weight I'd lost at that point (30kg) and still around 142.4kg/22st 6lbs:
Roughly 44kg still to go, I've also lost the beard now it's not hiding a multitude of chins...
Edited by Funk on Wednesday 12th February 15:41
Thanks Phil, can see the difference in your pics too (although you looked pretty good in the first one!).
It's certainly been a major lifestyle and mindset change. As Jacko said further up the thread, I do agree it's a process you have to go through and the progress IS more important than the food. This lunchtime was a classic example of that; I really had a hankering for one of the Wild Bean hog roasts from the M&S/BP over the road - not had one since the middle of last year and I definitely deserve it as a 'reward' for all the work but even as I walked past the counter with the tantalising aromas I veered into the chiller aisle and picked up some packs of turkey breast and fruit to go with what I've brought in for lunch today.
Three hours later do I feel short-changed for not having had it? Nope. I made a healthier choice and in the long term it's going to get me where I want to be faster.
It's certainly been a major lifestyle and mindset change. As Jacko said further up the thread, I do agree it's a process you have to go through and the progress IS more important than the food. This lunchtime was a classic example of that; I really had a hankering for one of the Wild Bean hog roasts from the M&S/BP over the road - not had one since the middle of last year and I definitely deserve it as a 'reward' for all the work but even as I walked past the counter with the tantalising aromas I veered into the chiller aisle and picked up some packs of turkey breast and fruit to go with what I've brought in for lunch today.
Three hours later do I feel short-changed for not having had it? Nope. I made a healthier choice and in the long term it's going to get me where I want to be faster.
Funk that is bloody amazing, well done fella! And there is me complaining I've only lost a kilo & a bit this week.
I agree with the mental thing, the overweight bit drags you down, literally as well as physically, as does the horrible weather etc.
I travel a lot for work & before Xmas was mad. That plus catching bronchitis whilst in the USA & needing steroids & antibiotics which increased the lethargy is a big bit. I also tore a calf muscle & achilles in September which has even made walking difficult.
Looking to get back onto the Keto(ish) wagon now & walking a bit every day.
I agree with the mental thing, the overweight bit drags you down, literally as well as physically, as does the horrible weather etc.
I travel a lot for work & before Xmas was mad. That plus catching bronchitis whilst in the USA & needing steroids & antibiotics which increased the lethargy is a big bit. I also tore a calf muscle & achilles in September which has even made walking difficult.
Looking to get back onto the Keto(ish) wagon now & walking a bit every day.
Funk said:
It's certainly been a major lifestyle and mindset change. As Jacko said further up the thread, I do agree it's a process you have to go through and the progress IS more important than the food.
Agreed, I took redundancy last summer (and was happy to do so), I have still not quite found the right mental balance (it's easy to work late into the evening) but regular trips to the gym have really helped my mental health. Dec 19 was a turning point for me - more social drinking, rich food and not many trips to the gym led me back down the back hole and 27th Dec I was at the Doc's having a had a bit of a mental shutdown. Frustratingly, the inches I had lost piled back on very quickly during this period.
Jan was the turning point for me, the gym were doing a 30 day challenge where people were posting (and still are) to a closed FB group, I had a few PT sessions, knocked the booze on the head (last Friday was the first time i'd had a drink all year) and the big change has been my diet. I didn't think I ate badly but with three kids my wife is always baking cookies etc and there is always choc in the house!
This group is also helping keep me on the straight and narrow!
tr7v8 said:
Funk that is bloody amazing, well done fella! And there is me complaining I've only lost a kilo & a bit this week.
I agree with the mental thing, the overweight bit drags you down, literally as well as physically, as does the horrible weather etc.
I travel a lot for work & before Xmas was mad. That plus catching bronchitis whilst in the USA & needing steroids & antibiotics which increased the lethargy is a big bit. I also tore a calf muscle & achilles in September which has even made walking difficult.
Looking to get back onto the Keto(ish) wagon now & walking a bit every day.
Cheers Jim! I'm sure you'll get back in the groove with it all.I agree with the mental thing, the overweight bit drags you down, literally as well as physically, as does the horrible weather etc.
I travel a lot for work & before Xmas was mad. That plus catching bronchitis whilst in the USA & needing steroids & antibiotics which increased the lethargy is a big bit. I also tore a calf muscle & achilles in September which has even made walking difficult.
Looking to get back onto the Keto(ish) wagon now & walking a bit every day.
Huntsman said:
Funk said:
I definitely deserve it as a 'reward'
Funk, you'll have to run round in the shower to get wet soon!I have tried to get my head around that something like a takeaway, cake, ice cream etc is not a treat or a reward, those things are actually the backwards steps.
pmanson said:
Funk said:
It's certainly been a major lifestyle and mindset change. As Jacko said further up the thread, I do agree it's a process you have to go through and the progress IS more important than the food.
Agreed, I took redundancy last summer (and was happy to do so), I have still not quite found the right mental balance (it's easy to work late into the evening) but regular trips to the gym have really helped my mental health. Dec 19 was a turning point for me - more social drinking, rich food and not many trips to the gym led me back down the back hole and 27th Dec I was at the Doc's having a had a bit of a mental shutdown. Frustratingly, the inches I had lost piled back on very quickly during this period.
Jan was the turning point for me, the gym were doing a 30 day challenge where people were posting (and still are) to a closed FB group, I had a few PT sessions, knocked the booze on the head (last Friday was the first time i'd had a drink all year) and the big change has been my diet. I didn't think I ate badly but with three kids my wife is always baking cookies etc and there is always choc in the house!
This group is also helping keep me on the straight and narrow!
ts. However, I get it now, I really do. Much as it doesn't feel like it swinging my legs out of bed at 6am in the dark to go the gym, by the time I've done an hour and am heading home to get breakfast it's all worth it.If you'd have told me a year ago you'd have heard me say that I'd have thought you had a screw loose!
Edited by Funk on Wednesday 12th February 16:39
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