Does anyone know an Anti Covid vaxxer?

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

Sahjahd said:

Are you seriously suggesting that as individuals we should all accept uninsurable risks? I wish you well.

Are you insured against the consequences of a comet impact upon the planet? Have you accepted that risk?

It staggers me that there are actually people out there that can’t differentiate between one risk and another, in this case Covid v blood clot. It’s second nature to most but maybe to the anti vaxxers it’s a form of dyslexia where they can’t weigh it up themselves but have a social circle with peer pressure to make them believe the vax is harmful. Look at what Trump achieved - mass belief that vaxing and masks were weak and look what happened to the US.

[paulguitar]

V6 Pushfit said:

Look at what Trump achieved - mass belief that vaxing and masks were weak and look what happened to the US.

And got vaccinated himself, on the quiet.

[anonymous-user]

Castrol for a knave said:

Sahjahd said:

Tankrizzo said:

The state of this, jesus, even after Twig very patiently explained everything.

You might as well go back to the wibble thread, you clearly don't want to listen.

Are you seriously suggesting that as individuals we should all accept uninsurable risks? I wish you well.

If you are worried about big pharma cover ups, you find me the people who they tested Preparation A to G on - exactly - they can't be found.

It's a conspiracy.

[Driller]

Question: Is anyone who isn’t 100% happy about getting the covid vaccine considered an « anti vaxer? ». There seems to be a total intolerance of anyone even hesitant about it and they then get mixed into the same « anti vaxer » group as the loonies.

[paulguitar]

Driller said:

Question: Is anyone who isn’t 100% happy about getting the covid vaccine considered an « anti vaxer? ». There seems to be a total intolerance of anyone even hesitant about it and they then get mixed into the same « anti vaxer » group as the loonies.

I think issues arise when people explain their concerns in a way where it looks a bit nuts, as we have seen quite a lot of here. I'd imagine it's something we've all thought through fairly thoroughly, nothing wrong with that at all.

[Mark V GTD]

Is it possible to request a vaccine from a certain manufacturer - or at least decline the AZ one?

[xx99xx]

Mark V GTD said:

Is it possible to request a vaccine from a certain manufacturer - or at least decline the AZ one?

Don't think so. You get whatever they've been given for that day. How they make sure the same vaccine is available for your 2nd dose I don't know.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Driller said:

Question: Is anyone who isn’t 100% happy about getting the covid vaccine considered an « anti vaxer? ». There seems to be a total intolerance of anyone even hesitant about it and they then get mixed into the same « anti vaxer » group as the loonies.

No, at least not in my opinion. I think it comes down to WHY you don't want it, not that you don't want it.

[Mark V GTD]

xx99xx said:

Don't think so. You get whatever they've been given for that day. How they make sure the same vaccine is available for your 2nd dose I don't know.

Thanks for that.

[Munter]

Mark V GTD said:

Is it possible to request a vaccine from a certain manufacturer - or at least decline the AZ one?

You're more likely to get Pfizer somewhere with the appropriate freezers. To be more accurate I guess you have to discuss specifics with your GP practice.

[Hoink]

Mark V GTD said:

Is it possible to request a vaccine from a certain manufacturer - or at least decline the AZ one?

Yes.

My wife can't have the AZ vaccine (high risk of blood clotting issues). She checked before travelling that Pfizer would be available but when she got there it wasn't. She came home and then arranged to book a Pfizer jab via the GP.

You could always walk out and book another slot if not happy.

ETA. Newcastle. Her first appointment was at the big nightingale being used to vaccinate people. Second appointment was at a local church hall which surprised me.

Edited by Hoink on Friday 14th May 19:54

[paulguitar]

Hoink said:

Second appointment was at a local church hall which surprised me.

A friend of mine had his in a cathedral.

'god' is a troll, isn't he?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Tankrizzo said:

Sahjahd said:

Neither shouting, nor trolling.
I accept all the normal risks of life, including that a virus may kill me. What I won't accept is taking an entirely unnecessary, relatively ineffective, and inadequately tested drug, especially one from which its manufacturer is absolved even of negligence claims.

The state of this, jesus, even after Twig very patiently explained everything.

You might as well go back to the wibble thread, you clearly don't want to listen.

I knew as soon as I'd posted it I was wasting my time. Getting thru to these people is like nailing jelly to the wall. Let's be honest here, if you could reason with anti vaxxers, there wouldn't be any.

[stargazer30]

Most people in this thread assess the pros and cons and decide purely on there own circumstances. It’s natural I suppose but It shows a lack of wisdom.

If our nhs were to collapse tomorrow, a young, healthy person wouldn’t be at risk from COVID but the health care they might need in an emergency might result in them being dead or having a life changing condition.

Granted that’s an extreme but even if the nhs is under heavy load, delayed scans, postponed out patient treatments etc.. all have an impact.

The data suggests being vaccinated reduces transmission which made me risk it. I had my day of fever, Netflix and coffee and that was it.

[V8 Animal]

Woman in our village refuses the vaccine says she has her 5 a day so don’t need it!

[Gweeds]

Sahjahd said:

Are you seriously suggesting that as individuals we should all accept uninsurable risks? I wish you well.

You do it every single time you get in your car. Unless you think you can magically control the actions of every other driver.

[Driller]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Tankrizzo said:

Sahjahd said:

Neither shouting, nor trolling.
I accept all the normal risks of life, including that a virus may kill me. What I won't accept is taking an entirely unnecessary, relatively ineffective, and inadequately tested drug, especially one from which its manufacturer is absolved even of negligence claims.

The state of this, jesus, even after Twig very patiently explained everything.

You might as well go back to the wibble thread, you clearly don't want to listen.

I knew as soon as I'd posted it I was wasting my time. Getting thru to these people is like nailing jelly to the wall. Let's be honest here, if you could reason with anti vaxxers, there wouldn't be any.

Thanks for the replies above to my question and fair enough. However, reading the posts above it seems like Sahjahd is being labelled to me (it’s all right I’m sure he can take it :-)) but unnecessarily. A bit like a bloke being called a « Cis-male ».

What has Sahjahd said that is so loony-crazy that he has to be treated as one? Conversely one could call unthinking acceptors of the covid vaccine Vaxer-zealots but that’s just not useful for reasoned debate is it?

[Sahjahd]

Gweeds said:

Sahjahd said:

Are you seriously suggesting that as individuals we should all accept uninsurable risks? I wish you well.

You do it every single time you get in your car. Unless you think you can magically control the actions of every other driver.

I most certainly do not.

Motoring is not only an insurable risk, but most of us have insurance to indemnify us against those risks; I sincerely hope that includes you.

[Munter]

Sahjahd said:

Gweeds said:

Sahjahd said:

Are you seriously suggesting that as individuals we should all accept uninsurable risks? I wish you well.

You do it every single time you get in your car. Unless you think you can magically control the actions of every other driver.

I most certainly do not.

Motoring is not only an insurable risk, but most of us have insurance to indemnify us against those risks; I sincerely hope that includes you.

Read Twigs post again. Because if you think your risk is uninsurable you didn't follow the post at all.

[grumbledoak]

Driller said:

Thanks for the replies above to my question and fair enough. However, reading the posts above it seems like Sahjahd is being labelled to me (it’s all right I’m sure he can take it :-)) but unnecessarily. A bit like a bloke being called a « Cis-male ».

What has Sahjahd said that is so loony-crazy that he has to be treated as one? Conversely one could call unthinking acceptors of the covid vaccine Vaxer-zealots but that’s just not useful for reasoned debate is it?

The marginalizing (invoking isolation) and the name calling (attempts at shaming) are massive "tells". You would think that, after a year of it, people would recognize them for what they are. Or at least acknowledge that they are being used in place of reasoned debate. Apparently not.