Low testosterone

[biggbn]

Sorry, but this thread scares me silly. People seem to be sticking themselves with essentially mail order test in quantities they do t even know or understand? Apologies if I've picked things up wrong.

[Legacywr]

biggbn said:

Sorry, but this thread scares me silly. People seem to be sticking themselves with essentially mail order test in quantities they do t even know or understand? Apologies if I've picked things up wrong.

You have.

[Louis Balfour]

biggbn said:

Sorry, but this thread scares me silly. People seem to be sticking themselves with essentially mail order test in quantities they do t even know or understand? Apologies if I've picked things up wrong.

It should only scare you if they threaten to pin you with it. Otherwise stab away and welcome!

[biggbn]

Legacywr said:

biggbn said:

Sorry, but this thread scares me silly. People seem to be sticking themselves with essentially mail order test in quantities they do t even know or understand? Apologies if I've picked things up wrong.

You have.

Apologies then, and my post was not aimed at you. But i am interested. How much test are you taking a week?

[Legacywr]

This will no doubt help

I inject 0.16ml of this 3 times a week.

[rich12]

96mg per week.

[biggbn]

Legacywr said:

This will no doubt help

I inject 0.16ml of this 3 times a week.

...and how are you feeling on this protocol? Is jist shy of 100mg test a week making a tangible difference to you? I've never been tested but this is a subject that really interests me.

[Legacywr]

biggbn said:

...and how are you feeling on this protocol? Is jist shy of 100mg test a week making a tangible difference to you? I've never been tested but this is a subject that really interests me.

Well, my T is in range when tested. I was on Tostran gel before, there was a marked improvement when I swapped to the injections. I wake up with an erection, that I never did with the gel.

I guess I’m healthier, but it’s difficult to say ATM as I’m into my 3rd month with the current lurgy that’s going round

I did have a high PSA reading on my last test, my prostate is small though.

My original low T diagnosis is due to having leukaemia 8 years ago.

[biggbn]

Legacywr said:

biggbn said:

...and how are you feeling on this protocol? Is jist shy of 100mg test a week making a tangible difference to you? I've never been tested but this is a subject that really interests me.

Well, my T is in range when tested. I was on Tostran gel before, there was a marked improvement when I swapped to the injections. I wake up with an erection, that I never did with the gel.

I guess I’m healthier, but it’s difficult to say ATM as I’m into my 3rd month with the current lurgy that’s going round

I did have a high PSA reading on my last test, my prostate is small though.

My original low T diagnosis is due to having leukaemia 8 years ago.

Thanks for the info man, and all the best.

[Legacywr]

biggbn said:

Legacywr said:

biggbn said:

...and how are you feeling on this protocol? Is jist shy of 100mg test a week making a tangible difference to you? I've never been tested but this is a subject that really interests me.

Well, my T is in range when tested. I was on Tostran gel before, there was a marked improvement when I swapped to the injections. I wake up with an erection, that I never did with the gel.

I guess I’m healthier, but it’s difficult to say ATM as I’m into my 3rd month with the current lurgy that’s going round

I did have a high PSA reading on my last test, my prostate is small though.

My original low T diagnosis is due to having leukaemia 8 years ago.

Thanks for the info man, and all the best.

But, could the only real difference be the addition of HCG?

[biggbn]

Legacywr said:

biggbn said:

Legacywr said:

biggbn said:

...and how are you feeling on this protocol? Is jist shy of 100mg test a week making a tangible difference to you? I've never been tested but this is a subject that really interests me.

Well, my T is in range when tested. I was on Tostran gel before, there was a marked improvement when I swapped to the injections. I wake up with an erection, that I never did with the gel.

I guess I’m healthier, but it’s difficult to say ATM as I’m into my 3rd month with the current lurgy that’s going round

I did have a high PSA reading on my last test, my prostate is small though.

My original low T diagnosis is due to having leukaemia 8 years ago.

Thanks for the info man, and all the best.

But, could the only real difference be the addition of HCG?

Man, you're not filling me with confidence re my 'frightens me silly....' post earler. Surely your Dr/Prescriber should have talked you through all the ins ans outs? My relatively basic understanding would be that you are taking HCG alongside a TRT dose to preserve your natural production? Usually HCG might be used as part of an athletes PCT and only for a matter of weeks usually so if you are taking it all the time my assumption is it is used to preserve rather than restore, but I'm sure someone with more knowledge will be along to blow my guesswork put of the water.

[lord trumpton]

272BHP said:

lord trumpton said:

On Test Enanthate 150mg/week and also HCG 500iu E3D

Ive never felt better.

I am sure you do feel great on that dose - I know many people on half that.

Would you care to share your levels on that protocol?

I was off the scale low due to some medical issue

Optimale prescribed 125mg/week plus HCG

Also amount required to feel normal and bloods to be good vary with age and also the normal baseline you operate normally on.

I get BAC water as part of the HCG. I'm using Puretrig HCG 5000iu

Test is test e 300mg/ml and I'm taking 0.5ml/week ie 150mg

[272BHP]

lord trumpton said:

I was off the scale low due to some medical issue

Optimale prescribed 125mg/week plus HCG

Also amount required to feel normal and bloods to be good vary with age and also the normal baseline you operate normally on.

I get BAC water as part of the HCG. I'm using Puretrig HCG 5000iu

Test is test e 300mg/ml and I'm taking 0.5ml/week ie 150mg

But don't you know your levels?

Test
E2
SHBG
etc

As you did not go under their care then they had no opportunity to titrate your dosage over time - this is normally an important part of the process.

It takes most people about 6 months to get dialled in and adjustments can then be an ongoing process as our physiology changes over time.

[lord trumpton]

272BHP said:

lord trumpton said:

I was off the scale low due to some medical issue

Optimale prescribed 125mg/week plus HCG

Also amount required to feel normal and bloods to be good vary with age and also the normal baseline you operate normally on.

I get BAC water as part of the HCG. I'm using Puretrig HCG 5000iu

Test is test e 300mg/ml and I'm taking 0.5ml/week ie 150mg

But don't you know your levels?

Test
E2
SHBG
etc

As you did not go under their care then they had no opportunity to titrate your dosage over time - this is normally an important part of the process.

It takes most people about 6 months to get dialled in and adjustments can then be an ongoing process as our physiology changes over time.

Yes i do know my levels. I use medichecks every 3 months.

I can adjust when needed but now I'm bang on but sadly my E2 is at the tp end as Im a convertor. Most likely HCG causing the spikes.

Edited by lord trumpton on Thursday 4th January 20:37

[xx99xx]

Krhuangbin said:

I’m unsure if it’s been discussed at any length up thread or not, but I wondered what the experienced in this subject think about “turning it around” naturally without pharmaceutical intervention....

I’m a 35 year young/old.... shall we say.... less than healthy chap, and definitely notice the symptoms of Low T after a heavy period of “indulgence” or poor “health maintenance.” So post Christmas/new period is a prime example. To be expected. After a period of looking after myself, and abstinence of certain things/“viewing material...”!! Things usually return to normal.

I know things naturally decline after 30, and I’ve certainly noticed that, when compared to 25 and after a period of looking after myself, things aren’t what they used to be.

So I wanted to ask/clarify a few things....

1. Is it generally accepted that T levels are lower in similar aged men from a few decades ago? (I know that’s a common point raised.... or is that rubbish?) and should the natural drop off after 30 be exponential or linear?

2. Is it possible to rid yourself of whatever could he causing lower T than where it should be, practise spot on optimised health/diet/fitness/training etc and return to “baseline” over a few months/year or whatever. Or is it a cumulative effect, like neuro issues, whereby the damage is done?

3. Is hormone therapy perhaps like, maybe, depression medication, where it isn’t addressing the underlying cause, just giving a potential pharmaceutical intervention and “cure” ? To an extent.... taking into account being in mid 30s and not 60s for example...

Cheers

If you've made yourself feel better with lifestyle changes in the past, then that might work if you try it again.

There will be a natural and steady lowering of T as you age and your other hormones will affect how that impacts you. You can accept the aging process and accept that you won't always feel like a 25 year old, or you can go down the pharmaceutical route. The lifestyle route is the middle ground.

If you are genuinely low on T then usually it's difficult to treat the cause as causes are hard to diagnose other than pituitary tumor/testicular cancer which is usually visible on an MRI. But if your balls are knackered there's not much you can do about it other than TRT.

Your first step is getting a blood test and going from there.

[Louis Balfour]

xx99xx said:

Krhuangbin said:

I’m unsure if it’s been discussed at any length up thread or not, but I wondered what the experienced in this subject think about “turning it around” naturally without pharmaceutical intervention....

I’m a 35 year young/old.... shall we say.... less than healthy chap, and definitely notice the symptoms of Low T after a heavy period of “indulgence” or poor “health maintenance.” So post Christmas/new period is a prime example. To be expected. After a period of looking after myself, and abstinence of certain things/“viewing material...”!! Things usually return to normal.

I know things naturally decline after 30, and I’ve certainly noticed that, when compared to 25 and after a period of looking after myself, things aren’t what they used to be.

So I wanted to ask/clarify a few things....

1. Is it generally accepted that T levels are lower in similar aged men from a few decades ago? (I know that’s a common point raised.... or is that rubbish?) and should the natural drop off after 30 be exponential or linear?

2. Is it possible to rid yourself of whatever could he causing lower T than where it should be, practise spot on optimised health/diet/fitness/training etc and return to “baseline” over a few months/year or whatever. Or is it a cumulative effect, like neuro issues, whereby the damage is done?

3. Is hormone therapy perhaps like, maybe, depression medication, where it isn’t addressing the underlying cause, just giving a potential pharmaceutical intervention and “cure” ? To an extent.... taking into account being in mid 30s and not 60s for example...

Cheers

If you've made yourself feel better with lifestyle changes in the past, then that might work if you try it again.

I have to be on top of diet and exercise to keep my test up. I won't pretend I have anything like a clean lifestyle, but not being too fat and lifting weights makes a noticeable difference. I wonder how many other chaps COULD improve matters by hitting the gym - yes I know it is not the solution for some.

Edited by Louis Balfour on Friday 5th January 08:00

[272BHP]

I would guess that most have already gone down the gym and healthy eating route.

I know some people who had some success with Boron but these were individuals with borderline T levels and a high SHBG which was crushing their free T levels.

Boron has been known in some individuals to push SHBG down thus freeing up testosterone.

[Louis Balfour]

272BHP said:

I would guess that most have already gone down the gym and healthy eating route.

I know some people who had some success with Boron but these were individuals with borderline T levels and a high SHBG which was crushing their free T levels.

Boron has been known in some individuals to push SHBG down thus freeing up testosterone.

Sure. I wasn’t casting aspersions upon people’s efforts. However I do know a couple of people personally whose test issues would probably be improved with fewer calories and more regular lifting of weights.

[Scabutz]

Louis Balfour said:

272BHP said:

I would guess that most have already gone down the gym and healthy eating route.

I know some people who had some success with Boron but these were individuals with borderline T levels and a high SHBG which was crushing their free T levels.

Boron has been known in some individuals to push SHBG down thus freeing up testosterone.

Sure. I wasn’t casting aspersions upon people’s efforts. However I do know a couple of people personally whose test issues would probably be improved with fewer calories and more regular lifting of weights.

I discussed this with my endo. She said if people are on the low end of normal and overweight and lazy they can make improvements and boost it a bit, but if you are out the bottom end of normal then there is 9 times out of 10 a medical reason and you need medication and no amount of diet and exercise will fix it.

[Big Rod]

Krhuangbin said:

I’m unsure if it’s been discussed at any length up thread or not, but I wondered what the experienced in this subject think about “turning it around” naturally without pharmaceutical intervention....

I’m a 35 year young/old.... shall we say.... less than healthy chap, and definitely notice the symptoms of Low T after a heavy period of “indulgence” or poor “health maintenance.” So post Christmas/new period is a prime example. To be expected. After a period of looking after myself, and abstinence of certain things/“viewing material...”!! Things usually return to normal.

I know things naturally decline after 30, and I’ve certainly noticed that, when compared to 25 and after a period of looking after myself, things aren’t what they used to be.

So I wanted to ask/clarify a few things....

1. Is it generally accepted that T levels are lower in similar aged men from a few decades ago? (I know that’s a common point raised.... or is that rubbish?) and should the natural drop off after 30 be exponential or linear?

2. Is it possible to rid yourself of whatever could he causing lower T than where it should be, practise spot on optimised health/diet/fitness/training etc and return to “baseline” over a few months/year or whatever. Or is it a cumulative effect, like neuro issues, whereby the damage is done?

3. Is hormone therapy perhaps like, maybe, depression medication, where it isn’t addressing the underlying cause, just giving a potential pharmaceutical intervention and “cure” ? To an extent.... taking into account being in mid 30s and not 60s for example...

Cheers

This for me too. This thread's been an eye opener for me! The described symptoms really struck a chord.

I'm 54, 6'4",a fair bit overweight having had Covid screw my breathing for a while and not exercising like I used to, (Used to be very fit up to about 4 years ago), and the complaints described in this and the other linked threads are me to a tee.

I don't eat badly but after the seasons indulgencies, I'm fixing my bikes and planning on joining the local gym as I'm noticing some distinct degradation in my physical composition.

So I'm sure this will be beneficial and obviously the results will take a time to manifest but short of going down the pharmaceuticals route, (which I'd rather treat as a last resort), is there anything else I should be considering before picking up a phone to a health professional?

Thanks in advance.