Vaccine side effects
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mybrainhurts said:
paulguitar said:
mybrainhurts said:
Latest data from the government yellow card reporting scheme.
Don't come back at me, I've not thought about the article, just presenting the numbers extracted therein for you lot to mull over.
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Could you link to grown-up sources rather than something called 'The Daily Expose'?Don't come back at me, I've not thought about the article, just presenting the numbers extracted therein for you lot to mull over.
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The emphasis might be suspect, but the data are there, use your own intellect to assess its relevance.
Teddy Lop said:
Had the OAZ at 5pm yesterday. (Only 42 and not speffel in any of the ways that count, we really are motoring through this ay)
Woke up today with a headache and feeling groggy so I guess that's the vaccine and nothing whatsover to do with the beers/wine/whisky ingested last night.
42 hey? Do you have any circumstances that bump you up the priority list or are they working though the 40's now?Woke up today with a headache and feeling groggy so I guess that's the vaccine and nothing whatsover to do with the beers/wine/whisky ingested last night.
paulguitar said:
mybrainhurts said:
paulguitar said:
mybrainhurts said:
Latest data from the government yellow card reporting scheme.
Don't come back at me, I've not thought about the article, just presenting the numbers extracted therein for you lot to mull over.
come in
Could you link to grown-up sources rather than something called 'The Daily Expose'?Don't come back at me, I've not thought about the article, just presenting the numbers extracted therein for you lot to mull over.
come in
The emphasis might be suspect, but the data are there, use your own intellect to assess its relevance.
mybrainhurts said:
Wherever I am is irrelevant. This thread is about vaccine side effects. My link was to vaccine side effects. You seem to be sticking your head in the sand here and attempting to cause a diversion.
It's clear from your posting history you have an agenda.As to 'sticking my head in the sand', no. I've looked at the evidence and it suggests that the vaccines are a much better bet than taking on covid.
paulguitar said:
mybrainhurts said:
Wherever I am is irrelevant. This thread is about vaccine side effects. My link was to vaccine side effects. You seem to be sticking your head in the sand here and attempting to cause a diversion.
It's clear from your posting history you have an agenda.As to 'sticking my head in the sand', no. I've looked at the evidence and it suggests that the vaccines are a much better bet than taking on covid.
By dismissing it, without viewing it, you are sticking your head in the sand. Do as you please, but stop chucking pointless sarcastic criticism, if you please.
If you've been investigating my posting history, you need to ask yourself if you're the one with the agenda.
FreeLitres said:
Teddy Lop said:
Had the OAZ at 5pm yesterday. (Only 42 and not speffel in any of the ways that count, we really are motoring through this ay)
Woke up today with a headache and feeling groggy so I guess that's the vaccine and nothing whatsover to do with the beers/wine/whisky ingested last night.
42 hey? Do you have any circumstances that bump you up the priority list or are they working though the 40's now?Woke up today with a headache and feeling groggy so I guess that's the vaccine and nothing whatsover to do with the beers/wine/whisky ingested last night.
48hrs and the arms slightly tender but nowt else to report.
paulguitar said:
mybrainhurts said:
Well done, you. What did I do wrong?
You give the impression you are out to cause alarm. What's the story, your end? Did you have MMR/BCG? You're not going to stop until you can label me an anti vaxxer so, to satisfy your curiosity, I had a pneumonia vaccination a few years ago after my daughter nearly died and her surgeon said there was a pneumonia surge that year, before January was out. Up to then, I accepted the science behind vaccines, with which I had grown up.
When this fiasco started a year ago, I was of the same mind and looked forward to the development of a vaccine.
I started to grow doubt when I discovered how long vaccines normally take to be approved and declared safe, and realised the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine has not been achieved in 200 (?) years of trying yet, suddenly, here are some that have been rattled together in a few months.
That didn't feel right. Then I heard the developers wanted immunity from compensation claims in the event of adverse effects. If they have confidence in the science and their products, this would not be necessary. My confidence deserted me at that point and confirmation came with the knowledge the vaccines are deemed experimental by their developers, will not be declared safe until Febrary 2024 and do not have a "marketing licence", granted before they are normally available for use.
Then I discovered there has been no investigation into vaccine interaction with other drugs. I am on several permanent medications.
At that point, I decided it was safer to avoid the unkonwn adverse effects of these vaccines and risk my group's 26% chance of catching the virus and croaking.
I posted the government data that started our exchange because it might help others to make up their own minds.
Happy now?
mybrainhurts said:
No, I'm not out to cause alarm, hope that helps. Disappointed with your interpretation.
You're not going to stop until you can label me an anti vaxxer so, to satisfy your curiosity, I had a pneumonia vaccination a few years ago after my daughter nearly died and her surgeon said there was a pneumonia surge that year, before January was out. Up to then, I accepted the science behind vaccines, with which I had grown up.
When this fiasco started a year ago, I was of the same mind and looked forward to the development of a vaccine.
I started to grow doubt when I discovered how long vaccines normally take to be approved and declared safe, and realised the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine has not been achieved in 200 (?) years of trying yet, suddenly, here are some that have been rattled together in a few months.
That didn't feel right. Then I heard the developers wanted immunity from compensation claims in the event of adverse effects. If they have confidence in the science and their products, this would not be necessary. My confidence deserted me at that point and confirmation came with the knowledge the vaccines are deemed experimental by their developers, will not be declared safe until Febrary 2024 and do not have a "marketing licence", granted before they are normally available for use.
Then I discovered there has been no investigation into vaccine interaction with other drugs. I am on several permanent medications.
At that point, I decided it was safer to avoid the unkonwn adverse effects of these vaccines and risk my group's 26% chance of catching the virus and croaking.
I posted the government data that started our exchange because it might help others to make up their own minds.
Happy now?
That's a damn good post. If I wasn't 2/3rds of my way into a very decent bottle of Valpolicella, I'd come back to you. You're not going to stop until you can label me an anti vaxxer so, to satisfy your curiosity, I had a pneumonia vaccination a few years ago after my daughter nearly died and her surgeon said there was a pneumonia surge that year, before January was out. Up to then, I accepted the science behind vaccines, with which I had grown up.
When this fiasco started a year ago, I was of the same mind and looked forward to the development of a vaccine.
I started to grow doubt when I discovered how long vaccines normally take to be approved and declared safe, and realised the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine has not been achieved in 200 (?) years of trying yet, suddenly, here are some that have been rattled together in a few months.
That didn't feel right. Then I heard the developers wanted immunity from compensation claims in the event of adverse effects. If they have confidence in the science and their products, this would not be necessary. My confidence deserted me at that point and confirmation came with the knowledge the vaccines are deemed experimental by their developers, will not be declared safe until Febrary 2024 and do not have a "marketing licence", granted before they are normally available for use.
Then I discovered there has been no investigation into vaccine interaction with other drugs. I am on several permanent medications.
At that point, I decided it was safer to avoid the unkonwn adverse effects of these vaccines and risk my group's 26% chance of catching the virus and croaking.
I posted the government data that started our exchange because it might help others to make up their own minds.
Happy now?
paulguitar said:
mybrainhurts said:
No, I'm not out to cause alarm, hope that helps. Disappointed with your interpretation.
You're not going to stop until you can label me an anti vaxxer so, to satisfy your curiosity, I had a pneumonia vaccination a few years ago after my daughter nearly died and her surgeon said there was a pneumonia surge that year, before January was out. Up to then, I accepted the science behind vaccines, with which I had grown up.
When this fiasco started a year ago, I was of the same mind and looked forward to the development of a vaccine.
I started to grow doubt when I discovered how long vaccines normally take to be approved and declared safe, and realised the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine has not been achieved in 200 (?) years of trying yet, suddenly, here are some that have been rattled together in a few months.
That didn't feel right. Then I heard the developers wanted immunity from compensation claims in the event of adverse effects. If they have confidence in the science and their products, this would not be necessary. My confidence deserted me at that point and confirmation came with the knowledge the vaccines are deemed experimental by their developers, will not be declared safe until Febrary 2024 and do not have a "marketing licence", granted before they are normally available for use.
Then I discovered there has been no investigation into vaccine interaction with other drugs. I am on several permanent medications.
At that point, I decided it was safer to avoid the unkonwn adverse effects of these vaccines and risk my group's 26% chance of catching the virus and croaking.
I posted the government data that started our exchange because it might help others to make up their own minds.
Happy now?
That's a damn good post. If I wasn't 2/3rds of my way into a very decent bottle of Valpolicella, I'd come back to you. You're not going to stop until you can label me an anti vaxxer so, to satisfy your curiosity, I had a pneumonia vaccination a few years ago after my daughter nearly died and her surgeon said there was a pneumonia surge that year, before January was out. Up to then, I accepted the science behind vaccines, with which I had grown up.
When this fiasco started a year ago, I was of the same mind and looked forward to the development of a vaccine.
I started to grow doubt when I discovered how long vaccines normally take to be approved and declared safe, and realised the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine has not been achieved in 200 (?) years of trying yet, suddenly, here are some that have been rattled together in a few months.
That didn't feel right. Then I heard the developers wanted immunity from compensation claims in the event of adverse effects. If they have confidence in the science and their products, this would not be necessary. My confidence deserted me at that point and confirmation came with the knowledge the vaccines are deemed experimental by their developers, will not be declared safe until Febrary 2024 and do not have a "marketing licence", granted before they are normally available for use.
Then I discovered there has been no investigation into vaccine interaction with other drugs. I am on several permanent medications.
At that point, I decided it was safer to avoid the unkonwn adverse effects of these vaccines and risk my group's 26% chance of catching the virus and croaking.
I posted the government data that started our exchange because it might help others to make up their own minds.
Happy now?
Paragraph 3 betrays a complete lack of any understanding of how the vaccine development was accelerated in this case, and the fact that there is absolutely no pressing need for a common cold vaccine and never has been. Now, when you twig that there was an absoutley mad pressing need for a Covid vaccine, you can begin to understand the urgency which was inserted into the development of it. Then, once you grasp that, then yes, it is astonishing what's happened and you can rightly ask "how", when vaccines usually take much, much longer. Here is the answer:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/...
Although that doesn't state the extra important nugget, namely that pharma companies accepted major business risk by running pre-phase 4 trials partly in parallel rather than sequence. Which has paid off in spades. At no point was the review and approval of the data skipped or shortcut, however.
Edited by ElectricSoup on Monday 29th March 13:10
Edited by ElectricSoup on Monday 29th March 13:37
ElectricSoup said:
paulguitar said:
mybrainhurts said:
No, I'm not out to cause alarm, hope that helps. Disappointed with your interpretation.
You're not going to stop until you can label me an anti vaxxer so, to satisfy your curiosity, I had a pneumonia vaccination a few years ago after my daughter nearly died and her surgeon said there was a pneumonia surge that year, before January was out. Up to then, I accepted the science behind vaccines, with which I had grown up.
When this fiasco started a year ago, I was of the same mind and looked forward to the development of a vaccine.
I started to grow doubt when I discovered how long vaccines normally take to be approved and declared safe, and realised the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine has not been achieved in 200 (?) years of trying yet, suddenly, here are some that have been rattled together in a few months.
That didn't feel right. Then I heard the developers wanted immunity from compensation claims in the event of adverse effects. If they have confidence in the science and their products, this would not be necessary. My confidence deserted me at that point and confirmation came with the knowledge the vaccines are deemed experimental by their developers, will not be declared safe until Febrary 2024 and do not have a "marketing licence", granted before they are normally available for use.
Then I discovered there has been no investigation into vaccine interaction with other drugs. I am on several permanent medications.
At that point, I decided it was safer to avoid the unkonwn adverse effects of these vaccines and risk my group's 26% chance of catching the virus and croaking.
I posted the government data that started our exchange because it might help others to make up their own minds.
Happy now?
That's a damn good post. If I wasn't 2/3rds of my way into a very decent bottle of Valpolicella, I'd come back to you. You're not going to stop until you can label me an anti vaxxer so, to satisfy your curiosity, I had a pneumonia vaccination a few years ago after my daughter nearly died and her surgeon said there was a pneumonia surge that year, before January was out. Up to then, I accepted the science behind vaccines, with which I had grown up.
When this fiasco started a year ago, I was of the same mind and looked forward to the development of a vaccine.
I started to grow doubt when I discovered how long vaccines normally take to be approved and declared safe, and realised the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine has not been achieved in 200 (?) years of trying yet, suddenly, here are some that have been rattled together in a few months.
That didn't feel right. Then I heard the developers wanted immunity from compensation claims in the event of adverse effects. If they have confidence in the science and their products, this would not be necessary. My confidence deserted me at that point and confirmation came with the knowledge the vaccines are deemed experimental by their developers, will not be declared safe until Febrary 2024 and do not have a "marketing licence", granted before they are normally available for use.
Then I discovered there has been no investigation into vaccine interaction with other drugs. I am on several permanent medications.
At that point, I decided it was safer to avoid the unkonwn adverse effects of these vaccines and risk my group's 26% chance of catching the virus and croaking.
I posted the government data that started our exchange because it might help others to make up their own minds.
Happy now?
Paragraph 3 betrays a complete lack of any understand of how the vaccine development was accelerated in this case, and the fact that there is absolutely no pressing need for a common cold vaccine and never has been. Now, when you twig that there was an absoutley mad pressing need for a Covd vaccine, you can begin to understand the urgency which was inserted into the development of it. Then, once you grasp that, then yes, it is astonishing what's happened and you can rightly ask "how", when vaccines usually take much, much longer. Here is the answer:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/...
Although that doesn't state the extra important nugget, namely that pharma companies accepted major business risk by running pre-phase 4 trials partly in parallel rather than sequence. Which has paid off in spades. At no point was the review and approval of the data skipped or shortcut, however.
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