Vaccine side effects
Discussion
For those unfamiliar with Adverse Event reporting (of which the MHRA Yellow Card scheme mentioned on that sensationalist website linked above is just one source), it is what contributes to preparation of the PIL (patient information leaflet) enclosed with every pharmaceutical product. Most people I suspect never read it until they encounter an adverse drug reaction... This is the one for 75mg aspirin
Common side effects (may occur in 1 to 10 out of 100 patients):
• Indigestion
• Increased tendency for bleeding.
Uncommon side effects (may occur in 1 to 10 out of 1,000 patients):
• Hives
• Runny noses
• Breathing difficulty.
Rare side effects (may occur in 1 to 10 out of 10,000 patients):
• Severe bleeding in the stomach or intestines, brain haemorrhage ; altered number of blood cells
• Nausea and vomiting
• Cramps in the lower respiratory tract, asthma attack
• Inflammation in the blood vessels
• Bruising with purple spots (cutaneous bleeding)
• Severe skin reactions such as rash known as ‘erythema multiforme’ and its life threatening forms: Stevens-Johnson syndrome and Lyell’s syndrome
• Hypersensitivity reactions, such as swelling of e.g. lips, face or body, or shock
• Abnormal heavy or prolonged menstrual periods.
so as you can see, even a common treatment such as aspirin can sound worrying if you really look at the details... in my opinion, the reported AEs of the vaccine program are not remarkable considering the majority of the people vaccinated in the first couple of months were all the most vulnerable categories of the population.
That's from over 12 years working in pharmacovigilance (my role is collating and processing adverse event reports) for a pharmaceutical company (NOT one of the vaccine manufacturers so I have no bias on that score)
Common side effects (may occur in 1 to 10 out of 100 patients):
• Indigestion
• Increased tendency for bleeding.
Uncommon side effects (may occur in 1 to 10 out of 1,000 patients):
• Hives
• Runny noses
• Breathing difficulty.
Rare side effects (may occur in 1 to 10 out of 10,000 patients):
• Severe bleeding in the stomach or intestines, brain haemorrhage ; altered number of blood cells
• Nausea and vomiting
• Cramps in the lower respiratory tract, asthma attack
• Inflammation in the blood vessels
• Bruising with purple spots (cutaneous bleeding)
• Severe skin reactions such as rash known as ‘erythema multiforme’ and its life threatening forms: Stevens-Johnson syndrome and Lyell’s syndrome
• Hypersensitivity reactions, such as swelling of e.g. lips, face or body, or shock
• Abnormal heavy or prolonged menstrual periods.
so as you can see, even a common treatment such as aspirin can sound worrying if you really look at the details... in my opinion, the reported AEs of the vaccine program are not remarkable considering the majority of the people vaccinated in the first couple of months were all the most vulnerable categories of the population.
That's from over 12 years working in pharmacovigilance (my role is collating and processing adverse event reports) for a pharmaceutical company (NOT one of the vaccine manufacturers so I have no bias on that score)
Gary C said:
smn159 said:
+1.
Posts link to The Daily Expose - "for you to mull over"
Classic conspiracy theorist.
The 'Daily Expose' link was an appalling mess.Posts link to The Daily Expose - "for you to mull over"
Classic conspiracy theorist.
No sensible analysis of the figures, just an article with an obvious agenda.
mybrainhurts said:
At that point, I decided it was safer to avoid the unkonwn adverse effects of these vaccines and risk my group's 26% chance of catching the virus and croaking.
Thats quite a risk assessment !Judging unknown 'side effects' against a 26% of death (is that a +70 age group ?) is, in my view, a poor balance of risk especially when you look at the vaccine data.
Have you factored in the unknown side effects of C19 ?
Surely that would significantly increase your risk argument in favour of a vaccine ?
thinkofaname said:
mybrainhurts said:
the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine has not been achieved in 200 (?) years of trying
Not accurate. Colds are mostly caused by rhinoviruses. A few are caused by coronaviruses and other types of virus. You'd need a hell of a vaccine to cover all that.Not sure there’s a justifiable reason for curing the ‘common’ cold. Keeps our immune systems on its toes.
smn159 said:
Gary C said:
smn159 said:
+1.
Posts link to The Daily Expose - "for you to mull over"
Classic conspiracy theorist.
The 'Daily Expose' link was an appalling mess.Posts link to The Daily Expose - "for you to mull over"
Classic conspiracy theorist.
No sensible analysis of the figures, just an article with an obvious agenda.
The source is irrelevant. The data therein are those of the NHS.
If these data were revealed by the BBC, Sky, Guardian, Telegraph, Sun, Daily Star or the Beano, they would be the same as the data dislosed in this Daily Expose, whatever that is.
Rubbish it all you like, it is extracted from the NHS yellow card scheme. As such, the adverse effects are not necessarily linked to vaccines but, then again, the number of adverse effects not reported there are unknown, so the numbers are on the low side.
Trying to offer information here really is an uphill struggle.
Any road up, thank you all who offered advice on the safety/risk aspects of the vaccines.
mybrainhurts said:
smn159 said:
Gary C said:
smn159 said:
+1.
Posts link to The Daily Expose - "for you to mull over"
Classic conspiracy theorist.
The 'Daily Expose' link was an appalling mess.Posts link to The Daily Expose - "for you to mull over"
Classic conspiracy theorist.
No sensible analysis of the figures, just an article with an obvious agenda.
The source is irrelevant. The data therein are those of the NHS.
If these data were revealed by the BBC, Sky, Guardian, Telegraph, Sun, Daily Star or the Beano, they would be the same as the data dislosed in this Daily Expose, whatever that is.
Rubbish it all you like, it is extracted from the NHS yellow card scheme. As such, the adverse effects are not necessarily linked to vaccines but, then again, the number of adverse effects not reported there are unknown, so the numbers are on the low side.
Trying to offer information here really is an uphill struggle.
Any road up, thank you all who offered advice on the safety/risk aspects of the vaccines.
You're right about one thing though, trying to offer information here to vaccine "sceptics" really is an uphill struggle.
Now that you've been presented with correct and informed "advice on the safety/risk aspects of the vaccines", I presume you've booked your appointment. Excellent, another small step closer to ending the pandemic.
mybrainhurts said:
Holy headbang, Batman, I thought saying it once would suffice, but clearly not, so I will repeat, but urnly wurnce more, so listen carefully, mes braves...
The source is irrelevant. The data therein are those of the NHS.
If these data were revealed by the BBC, Sky, Guardian, Telegraph, Sun, Daily Star or the Beano, they would be the same as the data dislosed in this Daily Expose, whatever that is.
Rubbish it all you like, it is extracted from the NHS yellow card scheme. As such, the adverse effects are not necessarily linked to vaccines but, then again, the number of adverse effects not reported there are unknown, so the numbers are on the low side.
Trying to offer information here really is an uphill struggle.
Any road up, thank you all who offered advice on the safety/risk aspects of the vaccines.
You're not 'trying to 'offer information' though, are you. You have an opinion that the vaccine is unsafe, based largely on your misunderstanding of the science. You've sought out conspiracy websites to reinforce your views, ignoring anything which doesn't support your beliefs, and you're posting up on here to try and convince others.The source is irrelevant. The data therein are those of the NHS.
If these data were revealed by the BBC, Sky, Guardian, Telegraph, Sun, Daily Star or the Beano, they would be the same as the data dislosed in this Daily Expose, whatever that is.
Rubbish it all you like, it is extracted from the NHS yellow card scheme. As such, the adverse effects are not necessarily linked to vaccines but, then again, the number of adverse effects not reported there are unknown, so the numbers are on the low side.
Trying to offer information here really is an uphill struggle.
Any road up, thank you all who offered advice on the safety/risk aspects of the vaccines.
Unhelpful at best in a pandemic, irresponsible at worst. People are right to call you out on it.
mybrainhurts said:
I started to grow doubt when I discovered how long vaccines normally take to be approved and declared safe, and realised the common cold is a coronavirus and a vaccine has not been achieved in 200 (?) years of trying yet, suddenly, here are some that have been rattled together in a few months.
The SARS-nCoV-2 vaccines which we have now, have actually pretty much been in development since the SARS / MERS epidemics in the early 2000s. They just needed the finishing touches applying, and some final ( minor) modifications and testing. The bulk of the development was done over the last decade. ‘common colds’ are a collection of symptoms, caused by a ‘soup’ of rhinoviruses, and a coronavirus relic, from the Spanish flu pandemic. That’s why it’s proved to be impossible to develop a vaccine thus far. There are 7 or 8 known human Coronaviruses, and until this situation unfolded, there was no success whatsoever in developing an effective, safe vaccine for any of them. We are about to find out whether these latest vaccine attempts are actually going to do what they promise, as society opens up again. I’m not holding my breath, but I hope we have cracked it this time.I live next door to an undertaker.
I hadn't seen him for a while; his car came and went, but that was early and late.
Yesterday, while putting out the recylicng bin, he was there, casually dressed, getting his out, so to speak. He said this was the first day in 29 that he had not had a funeral, and most of the other days there were multiple ones.
'Never known anything like it before,' he said. 'Everyone [in his business] is having the same demand.'
It looks, on that, allbeit flimsy, evidence that the vaccination programme has had a significant effect at the coal face. He went off early this morning, gone by 8am, but he was back for lunch, and his car's still there.
An important side effect of the vaccination programme seems to be to give some downtime for undertakers.
I hadn't seen him for a while; his car came and went, but that was early and late.
Yesterday, while putting out the recylicng bin, he was there, casually dressed, getting his out, so to speak. He said this was the first day in 29 that he had not had a funeral, and most of the other days there were multiple ones.
'Never known anything like it before,' he said. 'Everyone [in his business] is having the same demand.'
It looks, on that, allbeit flimsy, evidence that the vaccination programme has had a significant effect at the coal face. He went off early this morning, gone by 8am, but he was back for lunch, and his car's still there.
An important side effect of the vaccination programme seems to be to give some downtime for undertakers.
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