What training are you doing/have done today?

[TheBALDpuma]

Mark300zx said:

Just to let you know, the second pull ends when the lifter starts to go under the bar, he has started to go under as you can see by the bent knees. He can no longer being pulling as he has started to drop,hence the second pull has ended.

So as I said he's at the end of the second pull and just starting to do under the bar. ..

Mark300zx said:

Having the hips higher at the start is from an old training manual, when I was working at the Olympics I would say less than 2% of lifters used that method and needless to say they were usually in the B group.

It's good when people are getting started with the lifts as it makes triple extension and a powerful transition easier to achieve.

As I said there are different ways to coach the lifts but this is definitely still current add it was only a few months ago I was accredited as an s&c coach with that technique. I appreciate I'm new to the game but like I said there is more than one way to skin a cat.

[TheBALDpuma]

Mark300zx said:

Bald, you don't teach beginners a different technique to an established lifter, that would just confuse their neural pathway.

Keeping the bar close during the second pull refers to just that, during the second pull not at the end,i.e. between the knees and the hips,in fact diddly was well into the receiving phase if the truth be told.

I'm glad you have done a course, what club are you now O lifting at?

I would always coach with higher hips but allow them to lift with a lower starting point if it suited them and they lifted well like that. I'd do this because of the reasons I've already said.

The bar would have been travelling away throughout the second pull to end up where it was.

It's not a course. As a strength and conditioning coach its an accreditation you need to get any kind of coaching job at elite level. The way I teach oly lifts is how GB athletes are taught.

I don't lift at a club just in the athlete gym at Leeds uni.

I'm not trying to say I'm right and you're wrong just that the way I teach the lifts and the coaching points I give are perfectly valid ways of getting good lifters.

[TheBALDpuma]

Mark300zx said:

The bar never moved away during the second pull, I have trained with and coached Olympians including my old training partner and I have over 25 years experience Olympic Lifting and was asked to help at the London Olympics in Weightlifting. I would hope with that experience I may be in a slightly better position to make a technical assessment, I also have the old club coach qualification from BAWLA, now called BWL, that's how I now it is an old fashioned technique you are quoting.

Fair play in not going to argue. I'll have a go with lower hips tomorrow, it's snatch day. I wonder why the UKSCA still teach it as such if as you say it's old news.

As much as I dug my heels in you're right about the second pull. Bad video editing and a rush to get the post written and not paying enough attention to the video in the first place.

[TheBALDpuma]

didelydoo said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

Mark300ZX and Balders, a question if you don't mind...

How safe would it be esp. someone, er, elderly, and with some pre-existing injuries to begin training (properly) in Olympic lifts. I've never done anything other than mess-abouts and am worried that if I don't start working on flexibility I'm getting more stiff over the years + have various issues, esp. left elbow, shoulder and lower spine. They don't stop me training (often) but do hamper sometimes, and flare up occasionally.

But I've become stale and overly repetitive and want to keep/gain as much explosiveness as possible, for the boxing etc. so wondered if, as a project when I retire (2 years - 'am aiming to go full out on training/fitness as work etc. has rather ruined it this past couple of years) about getting proper coaching. I've shifted some fairly substantial weights overhead, seated and standing, but through the brute force and ignorance method and expect that I'd end up able to do more with a period of proper training and, especially, would gain the added knock on benefits of Olympic lifting.

Wish I'd found by chance a gym/trainer with that approach when I first started rather than the more common bodybuilding and powerlifting styles that led me down the path I then followed. Looking back almost certainly the wrong one (ignorance) given I only started as an adjunct to the boxing. Certainly seems to have caught on in MMA and related s&c circles recently.

I'd aim to be more patient too and start small and learn/concentrate on technique rather than numbers. Will it cripple me?!

Do it! It's great fun. I've got loads of old injuries/fractures (foot/pelvis/spine/shoulder blade/collar bone) and flexibility is an issue sometimes, but I'm getting better the longer I stick at it

Yeah definitely get started. If your're worried about over stretching yourself go through all the components first before you string all the parts together. I.e. Overhead/front squats, hang and power snatches/cleans that don't go through the full range. Although you may well be alright just getting on with it, I have issues with back, shoulder and knees that I just train through and they flare up occasionally.

However if you get a proper coach as you say, they'll be better able to advise you as they can see the condition you're in.

[TheBALDpuma]

Had a good session today but my snatches wern't perfect and a little inconsistant.

OH squats
3 x 3 at 100kg

Snatches
Up to 5 singles at 80kg

Ply box work.

[TheBALDpuma]

Very happy today. First good deadlift session fit a few weeks. I managed to strain my wrist on Sunday so wasn't sure how well is get on today. Chins and bench press were a no go but everything else was fine.

DLs
1 x 5 at 200kg
1 x 5 at 210kg
1 x 5 at 215kg

RDLs
2 x 5 at 175kg

Dips
1 x 5 at 50kg
2 x 5 at 55kg

Bent over row
3 x 5 at 140kg

I'm also trying to trim up a bit as I was getting a bit fat. This weight loss thing is easy. About 3kg in 10 days.

[TheBALDpuma]

Leg presses will vary significantly depending on whether they're plate loaded or cable, 45 degree or swing arm so you really can't compare unless you're using the same one.

Wrist still hurting so just a massive squat session.
1 x 5 at 180kg
2 x 3 at 190kg still not great but better than last session. I need that 5!

Partials starting from the drop bars at arse inches from the floor with 120kg working to alt a 1/3rd squat at 270kg

[TheBALDpuma]

Oh and this IS Pistonheads - Bar aesthetics matter...

[TheBALDpuma]

smiffy180 said:

Those are giant 5kg weights yeh?

Haha, coloured coded 25, 20, and 15kg.

[TheBALDpuma]

Hoofy said:

Just testing what the rack can hold, right?

Yeah, it seemed okay at that weight. Plus the bar looked pretty. (plus some partials)

I noticed while I was squatting today that the bar was bent! Thats a £1K plus Elieko bar, some fked has mistreated it and I am not happy.

[TheBALDpuma]

Hoofy said:

Or some beast lifted a really heavy load?

Hey was it you who did some training at St Mary's? Trying to find out what their gym is like for free weights.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, or whether you've seen previous posts... It was my penultimate set of partials. With the 5kgs on it didn't look so pretty

Wasn't me. Is that scotland? DD or Viper maybe?

[TheBALDpuma]

Hoofy said:

I mean - it got bent because someone put a lot of weight on it maybe.

St Mary's is in Twickenham.

Oh right. Yeah I just don't think you could bend an Elieko bar in proper use.

Ahh, okay, still not me.

[TheBALDpuma]

Argh bit frustrating after a good DL session last time around. Evening sessions I always find tough, plus someone has dented the floor where one side of floor where the bar was resting, so between reps the bar would try and roll on the floor, resulting on it twisting when I lifted. fking off putting!!! TBF it could have been me last time I DLed here.

DLs
1 x 5 at 200kg
1 x 5 at 210kg
1 x 3 at 215kg - I'll have 220kg for 5 soon!!!

Didnt RDL as I want to Oly lift tomorrow, but I have a mongy wrist atm so not sure if I'll be able too, it hurt one these next two quite a bit so didn't push myself...

Bench
3 x 5 at 120kg

Chins
3 x 5 at 25kg

Oh and just incase you lot haven't seen this, I'll leave it here... How to pick up girls in the gym

[TheBALDpuma]

Was supposed to be oly day today but I tried clean and my wrist was in agony so..

Front squats for 3 up to 145kg

Box jumps. . . Linky
Didnt make this height, but was doing it without the extra box on top

Depth drops... linky

Pull overs
3 x 5 at 46kg

Edited by TheBALDpuma on Saturday 15th June 18:25

Edited by TheBALDpuma on Saturday 15th June 18:26

[TheBALDpuma]

didelydoo said:

C&J PR of 120kg this morning. Most i've ever got floor to overhead I think.

Pleased.

Great lifting.

I had a good session although my back was hurting from twinging it badly on Saturday.

Didn't push on my squats but still happy.
2 x 5 at 180kg
1 x 5 at 185kg

Bench
2 x 5 at 120kg
1 x 3 at 125kg

One arm row.
3 x 8 at 46kg

OH press
2 x 5 at 70kg
1 x 5 at 76kg

[TheBALDpuma]

smiffy180 said:

Your squats are really high in comparison to everything else. Is every day leg day?

Actually it's fairly in proportion. I know lots of people with 140kg bench press (1RM) which is very similar to mine, with squats only at 160 or 180kg (1RM) which is quite a way below mine. That is out of proportion.

[TheBALDpuma]

smiffy180 said:

TheBALDpuma said:

Actually it's fairly in proportion. I know lots of people with 140kg bench press (1RM) which is very similar to mine, with squats only at 160 or 180kg (1RM) which is quite a way below mine. That is out of proportion.

Yeh thats me
~150kg bench and 180kg squat (which I know is bad)

My bench used to be much stronger than my squat/dead but thet have both come on a long way lately and the bench hasn't improved at the same rate which is good really as it's a lot more in proportion.

didelydoo said:

Thanks - here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_0Q6YRf27Q

A good lift. A tip (whether you want it or not, I just can't help myself!) is that you let your hips rise faster than your shoulders, which changes your back angle. This is probably why you don't quite get full extension at the hip. It really isn't a massive problem as it's only slight, obviously as you got the lift (and have caught me up!) but just something to focus on I guess. People tend to do this (including me) when they're pushing big lifts, so I need to focus on it when lifting.

I like your jerk too. Snappy and powerful.

[TheBALDpuma]

Oh and not related, this fat loss malarky isn't too hard is it. Just over two weeks of cutting crap and reducing carbs and I've dropped 5kg. 88kg now. I was getting fat tbf. And when you're eating 4/4500 calories a day it's easy to cut 1/1500 out!

I think I'll try and get down to 85kg so I can compete in the <85kg category on PL later this year.

[TheBALDpuma]

A pretty poor DL session. Things are gunna get shaken up because it just 'aint working.

DL
210kg for 5, 3 and then 2! poor.

Dips
1 x 5 at 50kg
1 x 5 at 55kg
1 x 5 at 60kg

Chins
3 x 5 at 25kg

Pull overs
3 x 5 at 46kg

[TheBALDpuma]

AnonSpoilSport said:

Do you think you need a short break - or a totally different approach for a week or two, maybe 20 rep sets then back on a strength cycle when refreshed. Used to help me a lot.

I'm gunna just take a step back and make sure I get the reps for a few weeks by going easy. Maybe 205kg for 5. Almost a rest really as it will be comfortable. And pick the weights up over weeks. I'm also going to have sessions thrown in with no squats or DLs as my back keeps taking a bit of a hit. Lets my legs test s bit more too.

I'm confident this will fix things I've been doing wrong. It's a tough thing as I always want to be lifting what I feel I should be.