Why not pay teenage girls to have a contraceptive implant?

[Martial Arts Man]

Just flicked onto Jeremy Kyle, and as usual, within 30 seconds my blood was boiling with indignant rage.

Anyway, it got me thinking, what can we do about all these pikeys spewing out babies left right and centre?

Clearly, reforming benefits etc is not going to happen under any political party's governance. Education doesn't seem to be working either.

So why not offer a lump sum, I dunno, maybe a few hundred quid to all those who choose to have an implant at 15?

I realise that the % of women having kids at this age is small, so the cost would be high to implement this scheme.

There must be a way of targetting this incentive scheme, even if it was just initially offered to those whose parents receive benefits or those on school meal lists in order to test its efficacy.


Prevention is better than cure after all.


So, wise sages, what are the flaws or unintended consequences of my system?

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Eddh said:

Yes why should I a tax paying person with a job pay for some free-loader who can't keep their legs closed to have an implant?

I don't know how much it would cost, but when you think of all the time and money that it costs in terms of Doctors, Midwives, Benefits, Social Housing at the moment, even if it cost the same or a little more, it would be worth it.

We are developing a seriously bottom heavy society. Just countering that phenomena would be worth paying the price. In my opinion, of course.

I believe that incentives are the only way to change behaviour, irrespective of how repugnant the said behaviour may be to you or I.

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Sheets Tabuer said:

It would fail under discrimination laws as it only applied to females.

You also have to look at the benefits for expectant mothers they include:

Housing benefit
Council tax benefit
£190 Health pregnancy grant
Income support
+ many others I didn't list

So lets say for instance that comes to £600 a month in benefit, you'd have to pay them more than that to have the implant to make it worth their while.

That's a fair point.

My assumption is that most teenage mothers don't really wish to be. May be a big flaw there.

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How's about using my idea as the carrot, with the stick being total reform of the benefit system for all future claimants.

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ben_reza said:

talk about a slippery slope!

we give them condoms for free, and they can get the implant for free.
That should be easy enough.

Yeah, but at the moment we pay them to have children.

That's the bottom of the slope, surely?

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tinman0 said:

Tony*T3 said:

If the welfare class didnt knock out loads of sprogs there be a population crisis in the UK. No one to sweep the roads, empty the bins or help the aged PistonHead class clear their bowels affectivly.

You think they get low paid jobs like being a binman? Are you having a laugh or something?

You think binmen are low paid jobs? Are you having a laugh or something?

30-50K Google said.

Seems a lot for what is basically, a very simple job.

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V8mate said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

G'kar said:

tinman0 said:

Martial Arts Man said:

tinman0 said:

Tony*T3 said:

If the welfare class didnt knock out loads of sprogs there be a population crisis in the UK. No one to sweep the roads, empty the bins or help the aged PistonHead class clear their bowels affectivly.

You think they get low paid jobs like being a binman? Are you having a laugh or something?

You think binmen are low paid jobs? Are you having a laugh or something?

30-50K Google said.

Seems a lot for what is basically, a very simple job.

Don't think so. My landlord was a HGV driver on the dust for a few years (left about 3 years ago).

He was lucky to see £800 a week after tax. The loaders got paid about 3/4 of that. They were always short staffed, and temps lasted under a week.

You think the pikey underclass are going to take a job paying £10k, where you have to be up at 5am, do some hard work, and smell like st at the end of the day?

Your in a dream world. Sorry.

There was a case of a road sweeper on £50k a few months ago, because he was taking on all sorts of on-call duties iirc, but he was found to be on an old contract and that was reduced fairly quickly once the media found out.

£800 a week after tax is comfortably above £50K pa.

Indeed, that's more than I earn! OK, I can't drive an HGV but even so, £30k AFTER TAX (=£40k ish before tax?) for loading bins? It may not be much fun, but it's not very skilled! You'd have to be on some pretty tidy benefits for it to be more lucrative than that!

I think tinman meant £800 net per month.

I hope so....

Sadly, I think he did indeed mean that.

£600 for a normal, non driving bin man, per month is unrealistic for any job.....they are full time though right?