Just drove an Evora...

[heebeegeetee]

NoelWatson said:

heebeegeetee said:

I think the styling has been compromised by those rear 'seats', and those rear seats serve no purpose whatsoever, imo.

Someone that currently has a 2 seat car but would like a 2+2 for a couple of kids under 2 years old may disagree.

But i don't think that market is big enough, plus, i think at 2 the kids will know enough to express that they don't like sitting in a box. ahem.

Most families that can afford £50-£60k for a car, will have an elise and an mpv, shirley?

[BertBert]

So just as a driver's experience, does it drive better than an Elise and in what ways and to what degree?
Bert

[Fidgits]

BertBert said:

So just as a driver's experience, does it drive better than an Elise and in what ways and to what degree?
Bert

no.

its not as good as an elise.

an elise handles much better - however the evora does drive well, its a great turn in... but it feels much slower than an elise...

the areas where its better than the elise is its build quality, noise reduction and the ride - its so smooth over rough roads.

[NoelWatson]

heebeegeetee said:

NoelWatson said:

heebeegeetee said:

I think the styling has been compromised by those rear 'seats', and those rear seats serve no purpose whatsoever, imo.

Someone that currently has a 2 seat car but would like a 2+2 for a couple of kids under 2 years old may disagree.

But i don't think that market is big enough, plus, i think at 2 the kids will know enough to express that they don't like sitting in a box. ahem.

Most families that can afford £50-£60k for a car, will have an elise and an mpv, shirley?

I have a 330 touring, but would prefer to drive something more sporty that can take kids as well. I haven't driven it yet (just sat in), so am only speculating.

[heebeegeetee]

Fidgits said:

and the ride - its so smooth over rough roads.

I am delighted that a manufacturer - and who more appropriate than Lotus - has reminded the car world that this is the proper way to make a car fast, and not the dumbed-down, easy-option, supposedly "hardcore" method of making stiff riding, crashy-bangy cars, which all other things being equal would be just plain slower.

[Fidgits]

heebeegeetee said:

Fidgits said:

and the ride - its so smooth over rough roads.

I am delighted that a manufacturer - and who more appropriate than Lotus - has reminded the car world that this is the proper way to make a car fast, and not the dumbed-down, easy-option, supposedly "hardcore" method of making stiff riding, crashy-bangy cars, which all other things being equal would be just plain slower.

oh yes, the ride is the Evora's trump card... it really is...

its almost mercedes glide-link, but loses none of the feel or delicacy because of it... I think it was best summed up, and some miles per hour, downhill braking to a roundabout on frankly a terrible surface - while i could feel the wheel twitching and could tell just how bad the road was and how hard the chassis was working, it stayed straight and true and performed superbly..

if only they'd made it a faster...

[dom180]

Fidgits said:

BertBert said:

So just as a driver's experience, does it drive better than an Elise and in what ways and to what degree?
Bert

no.

its not as good as an elise.

an elise handles much better - however the evora does drive well, its a great turn in... but it feels much slower than an elise...

the areas where its better than the elise is its build quality, noise reduction and the ride - its so smooth over rough roads.

It probably feels a lot slower as Elise's are comparitively unrefined and feel a lot quicker than they are.

It probably makes for a better drift box than the Elise if that matters to you - Lotus designed the Evora to have more steering lock than an Elise so oversteer could be managed more effectively, identifying that as a constraint on the Elise.

[dom180]

Boggy said:

Well

Some really positive comments on the Evora following a demo and

The car's made in England employing local people keeping British job's secure, we all moan when job's are disappearing over seas Delhi, China etc well we have to pay proper money in this country so that's why I suppose

Edited by Boggy on Saturday 13th June 21:08

Funny how little this matters to most people Boggy - glad you liked the car.

[Fidgits]

i'm sorry, if your main argument for buying a car is that its built in britain then you should be buying Honda's and Nissan's - they employ far more people than Lotus in this country...

Edited by Fidgits on Monday 15th June 07:05

[Boggy]

NoelWatson said:

Boggy said:

Quicker than a Cayman S

Are Lotus being coy with the power claim, as the Porsche is supposed to have 320bhp? Did you drive the PDK Cayman?

I've driven 3 now (Cayman's) Fantastic Car's they are, I'm not knocking them in anyway just simply saying that the Evora is quicker

08 Cayman 2.7
07 Cayman S
58 Cayman S Sports

Not sure about the power claim that Lotus are making but it feel's much more powerful than the figures quoted??? really impressed

Boggy

[Boggy]

dom180 said:

Boggy said:

Well

Some really positive comments on the Evora following a demo and

The car's made in England employing local people keeping British job's secure, we all moan when job's are disappearing over seas Delhi, China etc well we have to pay proper money in this country so that's why I suppose

Edited by Boggy on Saturday 13th June 21:08

Funny how little this matters to most people Boggy - glad you liked the car.

You've got to look after the people at home first, sorry every other country doe's

Boggy

[NoelWatson]

Boggy said:

NoelWatson said:

Boggy said:

Quicker than a Cayman S

Are Lotus being coy with the power claim, as the Porsche is supposed to have 320bhp? Did you drive the PDK Cayman?

I've driven 3 now (Cayman's) Fantastic Car's they are, I'm not knocking them in anyway just simply saying that the Evora is quicker

08 Cayman 2.7
07 Cayman S
58 Cayman S Sports

Not sure about the power claim that Lotus are making but it feel's much more powerful than the figures quoted??? really impressed

Boggy

So you haven't driven the new Cayman S?

[dom180]

Fidgits said:

i'm sorry, if your main argument for buying a car is that its built in britain then you should be buying Honda's and Nissan's - they employ far more people than Lotus in this country...

Edited by Fidgits on Monday 15th June 07:05

It wasn't my main arguement for buying one - I just noted that it's funny how little the fact that it's designed and built in the UK, seems to matter to most people.

My main reason for being interested in it, is the great reception the car's received from the World press. But if it also means not supporting German industry, so much the better!

Edited by dom180 on Monday 15th June 20:10

[Tripe Bypass]

From the reviews I've read, it seems the steering is maybe the best power assisted set up yet. Which just shows what Lotus can do considering that the rack is off a Honda Accord.

[heebeegeetee]

dom180 said:

Fidgits said:

i'm sorry, if your main argument for buying a car is that its built in britain then you should be buying Honda's and Nissan's - they employ far more people than Lotus in this country...

Edited by Fidgits on Monday 15th June 07:05

It wasn't my main arguement for buying one - I just noted that it's funny how little the fact that it's designed and built in the UK, seems to matter to most people.

My main reason for being interested in it, is the great reception the car's received from the World press. But if it also means not supporting German industry, so much the better!

You're going to be supporting the japanese industry though, like it or not.

It's a good job the japs and germans did come here if you ask me, and show us how a car industry should be managed. God knows what we'd have done if they hadn't.

[Fidgits]

heebeegeetee said:

dom180 said:

Fidgits said:

i'm sorry, if your main argument for buying a car is that its built in britain then you should be buying Honda's and Nissan's - they employ far more people than Lotus in this country...

Edited by Fidgits on Monday 15th June 07:05

It wasn't my main arguement for buying one - I just noted that it's funny how little the fact that it's designed and built in the UK, seems to matter to most people.

My main reason for being interested in it, is the great reception the car's received from the World press. But if it also means not supporting German industry, so much the better!

You're going to be supporting the japanese industry though, like it or not.

It's a good job the japs and germans did come here if you ask me, and show us how a car industry should be managed. God knows what we'd have done if they hadn't.

I'm sorry - remind me what the difference is between supporting a Japanese and Malaysian company? Or is it just because Lotus used to be british that I should be supporting them?

[LivinLaVidaLotus]

Might as well go the whole hog and thank the Americans then, as it was an American that showed the Japanese how to setup and develop their manufacturing after WW2, continual process improvement and all that jazz.

Just because it's the rack from a Honda Accord it doesn't mean they are buying it from Honda for example Granted, the engine is coming from Toyota so you are supporting people in other countries - but the engine and parts are usually nothing compared to the staff costs when it comes to hand built cars.

[Tripe Bypass]

I wasn't knocking Lotus for using a Honda rack (manufactured in India, assembled in Czech Republic), quite the opposite.

[dom180]

Actually it was the Brits that sorted VW out. (Edited: After having wreaked it!)

http://www.airrecce.co.uk/WW2/imagery/Wolfsburg/US...

http://www.ukcar.com/history/Volkswagen/index.html

Re, components and ownership, sure, but it's Lotus/Hethel that add the real value.

Edited by dom180 on Monday 15th June 21:22

[Fidgits]

I think you missed my point.

Is lotus not owned by proton, a Malaysian company? So there is no real difference.

If you really want to support a british motor manufacturer you should buy a noble or atom...