How long till the £20k Evora?
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plenty said:
No-one's going to buy one needing a clutch or with a faulty gearbox.
Everyone's perspective on the issue will be different. As an eventual potential buyer I look at it like this. No, I wouldn't buy a car with a currently broken major component at this price point. I acknowledge that the NA Evora has some weaknesses, like many other cars (e.g. Porsche RMS / IMS issues, E46 M3 rear subframe failure).
I would potentially buy a car without clutch done but yes, my ideal car would have had a clutch change by a reputable source. If it didn't I'd factor that into my value assessment, and not pay at the top of my price range to allow budget for future fix if needed.
I would also be looking for gearbox serial number after #1564 if close ratio. ( https://www.lotustalk.com/threads/4th-5th-gear-fai...)
Edited by Ryvita on Tuesday 12th May 10:42
plenty said:
saaby93 said:
If the above issues with the gearbox and clutch are true why cant you pick one up that 'needs work'
The market for Evoras is tiny as it is. No-one's going to buy one needing a clutch or with a faulty gearbox.
saaby93 said:
plenty said:
saaby93 said:
If the above issues with the gearbox and clutch are true why cant you pick one up that 'needs work'
The market for Evoras is tiny as it is. No-one's going to buy one needing a clutch or with a faulty gearbox.Think the gearbox issues are rare, just my bad luck. If I was buying another, I'd want to buy one that was £3k or so under my budget so I had the money ready for a new clutch.
Gearbox issue is a rare but known problem with early close ratio boxes (see the lotustalk link above). The "long" / standard ratio does not have the issue.
- Another new add on Autotrader today, a liquid blue Launch edition car at £27,990. Can't wait for pictures, that's a good colour.
- Another new add on Autotrader today, a liquid blue Launch edition car at £27,990. Can't wait for pictures, that's a good colour.
The running costs on the Evora are a funny one. On the face of it, they aren't particularly high when compared to their German equivalents or indeed any other marque. When considering similar £30k older cars such as an Aston, R8 or Maserati Gran Turismo, I dont think £1k for discs and pads would cause such a stir or £3k for a clutch. However, as with any older car that was originally quite expensive, the running costs remain those of a £70k - £100k car, and probably more as its older.
The issue I see is that many Evora owners have evolved from Elises/Exiges, which are fantastically cheap to run. The fact the Evora comes with another cheap ass engine might make you think it will come with similar running costs, but the Evora was far more pricey to run compared to other Lotus. Against non-same manufacturer comparables, however, it doesn't stand out to me as being particularly costly.
The issue I see is that many Evora owners have evolved from Elises/Exiges, which are fantastically cheap to run. The fact the Evora comes with another cheap ass engine might make you think it will come with similar running costs, but the Evora was far more pricey to run compared to other Lotus. Against non-same manufacturer comparables, however, it doesn't stand out to me as being particularly costly.
Shnozz said:
The running costs on the Evora are a funny one. On the face of it, they aren't particularly high when compared to their German equivalents or indeed any other marque. When considering similar £30k older cars such as an Aston, R8 or Maserati Gran Turismo, I dont think £1k for discs and pads would cause such a stir or £3k for a clutch. However, as with any older car that was originally quite expensive, the running costs remain those of a £70k - £100k car, and probably more as its older.
The issue I see is that many Evora owners have evolved from Elises/Exiges, which are fantastically cheap to run. The fact the Evora comes with another cheap ass engine might make you think it will come with similar running costs, but the Evora was far more pricey to run compared to other Lotus. Against non-same manufacturer comparables, however, it doesn't stand out to me as being particularly costly.
I did some detail cost comparisons across everting I was looking at before buying the Evora, I looked at:The issue I see is that many Evora owners have evolved from Elises/Exiges, which are fantastically cheap to run. The fact the Evora comes with another cheap ass engine might make you think it will come with similar running costs, but the Evora was far more pricey to run compared to other Lotus. Against non-same manufacturer comparables, however, it doesn't stand out to me as being particularly costly.
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The Evora was the cheapest to run by some margin, even more so when depreciation was factored in. The Evora S costs a bit more than the n/a mainly down to fuel consumption an road tax
Shnozz said:
Against non-same manufacturer comparables, however, it doesn't stand out to me as being particularly costly.
That's fair. I don't begrudge my unexpected £7k transmission bill too much as other than that the car stood me only consumables and (cheap) services for three years, and I sold it for slightly more than I paid. Had I not had the big bill which many owners won't, it would have been miraculously cheap to run.Most owners will have a very reliable and cheap experience but if the transmission does fail in any way it will be big money given that it will require 30+ hours labour to fix.
plenty said:
That's fair. I don't begrudge my unexpected £7k transmission bill too much as other than that the car stood me only consumables and (cheap) services for three years, and I sold it for slightly more than I paid. Had I not had the big bill which many owners won't, it would have been miraculously cheap to run.
Most owners will have a very reliable and cheap experience but if the transmission does fail in any way it will be big money given that it will require 30+ hours labour to fix.
£7k for a transmission? Arent they bog standard Toyota boxes?Most owners will have a very reliable and cheap experience but if the transmission does fail in any way it will be big money given that it will require 30+ hours labour to fix.
jamoor said:
£7k for a transmission? Arent they bog standard Toyota boxes?
£5-6k to rebuild. It’s 30 hours to remove and refit the ‘box. New ‘boxes could be had for £6k last time I checked which was last year, but you need to add the labour. Might as well do the clutch while you’re in there so that’s another £1.5k on top. Only the earliest long-ratio ‘boxes fitted to MY09 cars are stock Toyota. Since MY10 they have custom Lotus gearsets.
plenty said:
jamoor said:
£7k for a transmission? Arent they bog standard Toyota boxes?
£5-6k to rebuild. It’s 30 hours to remove and refit the ‘box. New ‘boxes could be had for £6k last time I checked which was last year, but you need to add the labour. Might as well do the clutch while you’re in there so that’s another £1.5k on top. Only the earliest long-ratio ‘boxes fitted to MY09 cars are stock Toyota. Since MY10 they have custom Lotus gearsets.
What's the cost of an engine?
Ryvita said:
- Another one appeared on PH yesterday, black 2012 with good spec and a 2bular at £28,495. The market is definitely coming back to life.
Looks decent value, although why anyone would spec only half leather when the cloth rear seats don't even come in the same colour as the front seats is beyond me. In fact why Lotus didn't colour match the cloth is beyond me.drgoatboy said:
The add states it's the improved my12 spec but is it? Looks like the wrong seats to me...
Probably referring to the improved gear linkage system. 2012 also brought the more robust CR gearing (as discussed above) and I think CR gears were made standard fit? Back seats are an odd choice in cloth I agree.drgoatboy said:
Ryvita said:
- Another one appeared on PH yesterday, black 2012 with good spec and a 2bular at £28,495. The market is definitely coming back to life.
The add states it's the improved my12 spec but is it? Looks like the wrong seats to me...Some of the MY12 changes started to make their way into MY11 cars, so it's possible that this car came with the MY12 gear cables (the biggest improvement) or they could have been fitted later as this is a common upgrade done on the earlier cars.
To confirm you can ask for the 10th character from the VIN printed on the windscreen - a MY12 car will be "C".
drgoatboy said:
Shown as sold now but this one has been floating around for a while but in different ads. Not sure how I feel about the mods but that is a really cheap S. Almost too cheap.
I had an offer for this car accepted by the seller two months ago. It was booked in for a PPI with a Lotus specialist but I had to pull out as the pandemic lockdown meant it was no longer a practical or financially justifiable purchase.IMO the comments made about the advertiser are unfair in this instance. He has owned the car a long time and has a very justifiable reason for sale. A true Lotus enthusiast who has been very meticulous with maintenance. I'm not normally a fan of mods but I like what he has done to the car, especially the more aggressive front end and genuine GT4 rear carbon wing. It sounded awesome with the plack style exhaust. The maintaining Lotus specialist supported my impressions.
I felt terrible about letting the seller down and if anyone is interested in the car I would encourage them to go view it. PM me if you want more info.
Think I'll be resuming my search early next year and hope a manual 400+2 will be in budget by then.
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