How Would You Feel About A Gay Player In The Dressing Room?
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Its actually quite an interesting thought.
Whilst this thread shows that most people wouldn't mind it at all, I equally agree that you can't blame someone who does mind it. It's not their fault that for whatever reason they are uncomfortable.
I suppose the answer is that anyone with a hang up about it should just change discreetly. Perhaps partition off showers?
I know that leisure centres are increasingly leaning towards communal changing rooms with changing cubicles and until now it never occurred to me that this might be to address this very issue?
Whilst this thread shows that most people wouldn't mind it at all, I equally agree that you can't blame someone who does mind it. It's not their fault that for whatever reason they are uncomfortable.
I suppose the answer is that anyone with a hang up about it should just change discreetly. Perhaps partition off showers?
I know that leisure centres are increasingly leaning towards communal changing rooms with changing cubicles and until now it never occurred to me that this might be to address this very issue?
im said:
JQ said:
This thread has highlighted that the vast majority of men (assuming the participants of this thread are representative) don't have the same objection to gay men. So why would you exclude them?
That is true but what is the logical response the first time somebody does object and says my wife and daughter don't have to put up with this, why should I?blindswelledrat said:
Its actually quite an interesting thought.
Whilst this thread shows that most people wouldn't mind it at all, I equally agree that you can't blame someone who does mind it. It's not their fault that for whatever reason they are uncomfortable.
I suppose the answer is that anyone with a hang up about it should just change discreetly. Perhaps partition off showers?
I know that leisure centres are increasingly leaning towards communal changing rooms with changing cubicles and until now it never occurred to me that this might be to address this very issue?
Whilst this thread shows that most people wouldn't mind it at all, I equally agree that you can't blame someone who does mind it. It's not their fault that for whatever reason they are uncomfortable.
I suppose the answer is that anyone with a hang up about it should just change discreetly. Perhaps partition off showers?
I know that leisure centres are increasingly leaning towards communal changing rooms with changing cubicles and until now it never occurred to me that this might be to address this very issue?
Some bloks sensibilities are not so macho and they are not happy with getting naked in front of somebody they feel will be getting some kind of sexual gratification from watching them shower etc.
Those guys (however small in number) may well argue that they have the same rights as women in this respect.
Anyway...it was just a thought experiment.
although as an aside I never knew that on a daily basis I was talking to sooooo many que....
blindswelledrat said:
I know that leisure centres are increasingly leaning towards communal changing rooms with changing cubicles and until now it never occurred to me that this might be to address this very issue?
I had assumed this was due down to that one guy who just will not get dressed and parades around for ages with nowt on, there is one in every gym, i'll admit it never occurred to me they may be gay, just thought they were weirdQuite frankly, even the suggestion of separating the changing rooms/showers is absolutely ridiculous.
In what is still a very homophobic world, what if someone hadn't `come out`? Do they declare themselves as gay? What if someone in there knows they are gay but they haven't said so, do the changing room attendants/referee/players confront that person. What if they then say no, I am straight? Oh sorry, crack on!
I can imagine you are thinking of people that are openly gay and that there are no grey areas but that simply is not the case.
Also, do we need separate rooms for gays, lesbians, men and women? or do gay men and women get to share?
Quite simply, if a person has a problem then they can get showered else where and change in private, this has worked for many many years and will works for many years to come.
For me it is a complete non issue. I really thought you were better than this im, how disappointing
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In what is still a very homophobic world, what if someone hadn't `come out`? Do they declare themselves as gay? What if someone in there knows they are gay but they haven't said so, do the changing room attendants/referee/players confront that person. What if they then say no, I am straight? Oh sorry, crack on!
I can imagine you are thinking of people that are openly gay and that there are no grey areas but that simply is not the case.
Also, do we need separate rooms for gays, lesbians, men and women? or do gay men and women get to share?
Quite simply, if a person has a problem then they can get showered else where and change in private, this has worked for many many years and will works for many years to come.
For me it is a complete non issue. I really thought you were better than this im, how disappointing
.im said:
Those guys (however small in number) may well argue that they have the same rights as women in this respect.
Yep. They could find somewhere else to change. Presumably they're only worried about men they know to be gay, rather than the others who are in the closet, or bisexual, or just plain turned on by his pert little cheeks.im said:
e21Mark said:
im said:
I never knew that on a daily basis I was talking to sooooo many que....
There's an insight into your fears right there fella.(I've put the
on the same line this time to help)e21Mark said:
im said:
e21Mark said:
im said:
I never knew that on a daily basis I was talking to sooooo many que....
There's an insight into your fears right there fella.(I've put the
on the same line this time to help)...and no smiley face this time.
In the words of the great Jim Davidson "ping pong"
JiggyJaggy said:
I wouldn't be bothered. Just one more female in the world for the rest of us As long as the person in question is worth their space in the dressing room sporting wise then no probs.
I've never managed to understand the psyche behind someone with homophobic views. Logically it makes no sense. At the lowest level it removes additional competition from the gene-pool/increases the ratio of available females to males, which surely as a hetrosexual guy they should applaud? As long as the person in question is worth their space in the dressing room sporting wise then no probs. I've argued this point with homophobic guys before, but they (in 90% of cases) are under the extremely mis-guided delusion that (although visually revolting to the opposite sex), are somehow catnip to 'the gays' who would jump them at the first available chance.
I went to a boys school. There were quite a few kids there who were openly gay, even back in the 70s. It was fashionable for a while, with the Tom Robinson Band and all that.
Then there was me and the majority of others, who were straight but who were quite comfortable hanging around with the gay kids. It never bothered us. My best friend from school is gay, and I was best man at his civil partnership ceremony.
Then there was a minority who hated the gay kids and who tried to make their lives misery.
Of that minority, I should think about 80% of them eventually came out as gay when they grew up, and the remaining 20% I have my doubts about.
From that I have always concluded that anyone who is homophobic is trying too hard to disguise the fact that they are a massive bender.
Then there was me and the majority of others, who were straight but who were quite comfortable hanging around with the gay kids. It never bothered us. My best friend from school is gay, and I was best man at his civil partnership ceremony.
Then there was a minority who hated the gay kids and who tried to make their lives misery.
Of that minority, I should think about 80% of them eventually came out as gay when they grew up, and the remaining 20% I have my doubts about.
From that I have always concluded that anyone who is homophobic is trying too hard to disguise the fact that they are a massive bender.
It's an interesting thought experiment (when rephrased by other posters so I understood it a bit better!).
The underlying question seems to boil down to - should someone share a changing room with someone else who *might* find them attractive?
If this is the concern, what about gay people who would rather not be eyed up by other guys when they're changing? Should they be "made" to share a gay changing room, or even a male changing room?
Ultimately it seems that this is all about whether people feel comfortable or not. If someone isn't comfortable getting changed in front of someone else (for whatever reason) then they're free to head home and change there, surely? Or free to wait until the changing room is empty, or free not to go to somewhere that they'd have to share a changing room/showers in the first place. Lots of choice, no real drama.
The underlying question seems to boil down to - should someone share a changing room with someone else who *might* find them attractive?
If this is the concern, what about gay people who would rather not be eyed up by other guys when they're changing? Should they be "made" to share a gay changing room, or even a male changing room?
Ultimately it seems that this is all about whether people feel comfortable or not. If someone isn't comfortable getting changed in front of someone else (for whatever reason) then they're free to head home and change there, surely? Or free to wait until the changing room is empty, or free not to go to somewhere that they'd have to share a changing room/showers in the first place. Lots of choice, no real drama.
CIE560 said:
im said:
CIE560 said:
im said:
CIE560 said:
I'd be more worried about somebody spelling 'you' as 'u'.
Jeez....Try fitting the sentence into the subject line using the word You instead of a U...let me know how far you get....
DanL said:
If this is the concern, what about gay people who would rather not be eyed up by other guys when they're changing? Should they be "made" to share a gay changing room, or even a male changing room?
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Good point..
Perhaps there should just be two changing rooms: Perverts on one and BSR's Wife on the other.
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