The Official Newcastle United Thread

The Official Newcastle United Thread

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TameRacingDriver

18,119 posts

273 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Xenoous said:
FFP isn't actually fair, when it only benefits the 'Big 6'.
yes in fact it's a bit of a joke that this abbreviation even includes the word 'fair'. Surely they can come up with a more appropriate name. Maybe something like 'Anti-Competition Regulations'.

Gordon Hill

926 posts

16 months

Wednesday 15th May
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ellroy said:
What’s most annoying is the simple fact they’re utterly crap.

Penalty would’ve perhaps changed matters. After that it felt like we were chasing for the rest of the game- over/under hit balls etc etc

Bit unlikely for us now I fear but while there’s life there’s hope.
Utterly crap but beat you lot so what does that say?

Mannginger

9,111 posts

258 months

Wednesday 15th May
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[quote=Xenoous]Wilson, Longstaff, Kraft and Dubravka all need to go. We need another keeper, striker and left back, which means we need a big money exit, likely Bruno, which really pains me/quote]

Generally agree, although thought Emil was increasing in attack today. His pass for the Joelinton effort was sublime.

Dubs pains me. He's carried such a load this season, but he does weaken our overall defence

TX1

2,392 posts

184 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Gordon Hill said:
ellroy said:
What’s most annoying is the simple fact they’re utterly crap.

Penalty would’ve perhaps changed matters. After that it felt like we were chasing for the rest of the game- over/under hit balls etc etc

Bit unlikely for us now I fear but while there’s life there’s hope.
Utterly crap but beat you lot so what does that say?
That we are even crappier ?

Xenoous

1,060 posts

59 months

Wednesday 15th May
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TX1 said:
Gordon Hill said:
ellroy said:
What’s most annoying is the simple fact they’re utterly crap.

Penalty would’ve perhaps changed matters. After that it felt like we were chasing for the rest of the game- over/under hit balls etc etc

Bit unlikely for us now I fear but while there’s life there’s hope.
Utterly crap but beat you lot so what does that say?
That we are even crappier ?
I hate that this statement is true. We've had a terrible season after last year. We can bemoan injuries and extra games all we like, the truth of the matter is we played 6 European games more, that's all. Something went seriously wrong with our squad this year.

I get last year we over achieved, but this year it definitely feels like we've under achieved. Bring on next season.

TX1

2,392 posts

184 months

Wednesday 15th May
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What I find bewildering is how well Trippier played last season, he could not put a foot wrong, he was magnificent.
This season is the complete opposite, from the very start of the season it all went wrong and he prorbably would admit he made some proper howlers.

Flumpo

3,827 posts

74 months

Thursday 16th May
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TX1 said:
What I find bewildering is how well Trippier played last season, he could not put a foot wrong, he was magnificent.
This season is the complete opposite, from the very start of the season it all went wrong and he prorbably would admit he made some proper howlers.
He has always been a bit gaff prone throughout his career. But this season has probably been a perfect storm of overplaying, injury, age and his personal problems.

If he never plays for us again I will always remember him for being one of the highest class defenders we have ever had in my lifetime. I’m just gutted we didn’t get him when he was 27.

fathomfive

9,962 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th May
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Flumpo said:
TX1 said:
What I find bewildering is how well Trippier played last season, he could not put a foot wrong, he was magnificent.
This season is the complete opposite, from the very start of the season it all went wrong and he prorbably would admit he made some proper howlers.
He has always been a bit gaff prone throughout his career. But this season has probably been a perfect storm of overplaying, injury, age and his personal problems.

If he never plays for us again I will always remember him for being one of the highest class defenders we have ever had in my lifetime. I’m just gutted we didn’t get him when he was 27.
The only thing we should focus on with Trippier is the fact he signed for us and was instrumental in turning the team around.

Long after the gaffs are forgotten, we'll remember that.

And the free kicks against Everton and City.

He deserves to be very fondly remembered.

TameRacingDriver

18,119 posts

273 months

Thursday 16th May
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fathomfive said:
The only thing we should focus on with Trippier is the fact he signed for us and was instrumental in turning the team around.

Long after the gaffs are forgotten, we'll remember that.

And the free kicks against Everton and City.

He deserves to be very fondly remembered.
Exactly, he was exactly what we needed, when we needed it. He's getting on a bit now and really he shouldn't be regarded as a first choice going forward, passed his best now but he did the job he was brought in for.

GTO-3R

7,538 posts

214 months

Thursday 16th May
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Xenoous said:
Wilson, Longstaff, Kraft and Dubravka all need to go. We need another keeper, striker and left back, which means we need a big money exit, likely Bruno, which really pains me.

FFP isn't actually fair, when it only benefits the 'Big 6'.
Not bothered Villa has it...

TX1

2,392 posts

184 months

Thursday 16th May
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The comment I made regarding Trippier was not meant as a dig as like everyone else I am aware how influential he was in are our success in both previous seasons.

Chicken Chaser

7,875 posts

225 months

Thursday 16th May
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It still comes down to the squad. We've missed Pope, Botman, Trippier, Joelinton, Tonali, Willock, Barnes and Wilson for much of the season. We can't seem to get a break from the injuries either which must be concerning as it's gone on all season. Some of the players playing most of our games this year didn't feature at all last year as they were further down the pecking order. It's a season to write off but the club needs to focus on bringing better players in if they want to be around the top of the table.

Leicester Loyal

4,577 posts

123 months

Thursday 16th May
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Chicken Chaser said:
I think we need Europe. Unfortunately it's out of our hands.
Does 7th not get Europe?

GTO-3R said:
Xenoous said:
Wilson, Longstaff, Kraft and Dubravka all need to go. We need another keeper, striker and left back, which means we need a big money exit, likely Bruno, which really pains me.

FFP isn't actually fair, when it only benefits the 'Big 6'.
Not bothered Villa has it...
We'll see in 18/24 months time.

Patrick Bateman

12,213 posts

175 months

Thursday 16th May
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TX1 said:
What I find bewildering is how well Trippier played last season, he could not put a foot wrong, he was magnificent.
This season is the complete opposite, from the very start of the season it all went wrong and he prorbably would admit he made some proper howlers.
Sorry but that's just not true.

He did indeed have a dodgy spell but up to that point he had been excellent.

SWoll

18,622 posts

259 months

Thursday 16th May
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TX1 said:
Clear penalty, why not given he caught his foot from behind very clearly.
yes

About as clear and obvious a refereeing mistake as you'll ever see and nothing. Not even a "go and have a look at this" to the ref..

VAR needs scrapping as clearly not fit for purpose.

toon10

6,232 posts

158 months

Thursday 16th May
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SWoll said:
yes

About as clear and obvious a refereeing mistake as you'll ever see and nothing. Not even a "go and have a look at this" to the ref..

VAR needs scrapping as clearly not fit for purpose.
I've no issue with the decision not being awarded by the ref as even I thought it looked OK. After seeing the replays and the state of his sock, VAR should have looked and told the ref to view it for himself. I think the idea of VAR is right, but we've seen so many bad decisions or decisions not given at all that people are rightly questioning a) is it corruption? or b) is it incompetence? All clubs can point to VAR injustices too. The length of time it takes goals to be cleared is killing the atmosphere too.

Skyedriver

17,995 posts

283 months

Thursday 16th May
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Xenoous said:
Wilson, Longstaff, Kraft and Dubravka all need to go. We need another keeper, striker and left back, which means we need a big money exit, likely Bruno, which really pains me.

FFP isn't actually fair, when it only benefits the 'Big 6'.
Afraid Wilson is a definite move on, he's just too injury prone now, Longstaff has had a poor season but has improved the last two games. Probably a move to one of the lesser Premier clubs he'd shine, Dubs I've been a big supporter of but he was more punch than save last night. Krafth I've not been so sure of but he played well last night.
Tripps just didn't cut the mustard last night, maybe it's time for him to move on too. we've Hall & Livramento, Murphy can play that role as can Anderson who is a few years younger. I was really unsure about Bruno G last night. He was going in, winning the ball but then passing to the opposition. Just a bad hair day? Maybe.
There's quite a few sat on the bench, Dummitt, Targett, Richie for instance who would all get a game for a lesser team, surely they'd be happy to move.
I'm still not sure about Botman, he gets a lot of praise but Shaar is a better defender overall, more confident. And then there's Dan. Solid as a rock now back in his rightful position.
Next season we should have Big Joe fit, Willock back??, Tonali, not really sure how good he really is, maybe a quick transfer out too.
So that leaves Isak - great when on song but needs delivery, Gordon a star but the opposition know it and target him. Barnes seems Ok but he and Gordon need to feed Isak more as otherwise Isak goes looking for the ball and he's not there in front of goal when he should be.

There's a lot of criticism of FFP, I still don't fully "get it" but irrespective of the favouritism of it to the big 6, there seems refereeing/VAR favouritism to the 6. Maybe it's just my conspiracy theory but it seems like it. After all that's where the money is and where supporters worldwide, not just England, give their support (financial).

57Ford

4,115 posts

135 months

Thursday 16th May
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I thought Gordon spoke very well regarding VAR last night. I agree it should have been a penalty and the VAR should’ve directed the ref to have another look. As stated by Gordon, Rooney, Cole and the poster above, the idea is great but it simply has to be reliable and above all else, consistent. If it’s not, it shouldn’t be used at all.

Skyedriver

17,995 posts

283 months

Thursday 16th May
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57Ford said:
I thought Gordon spoke very well regarding VAR last night. I agree it should have been a penalty and the VAR should’ve directed the ref to have another look. As stated by Gordon, Rooney, Cole and the poster above, the idea is great but it simply has to be reliable and above all else, consistent. If it’s not, it shouldn’t be used at all.
He did speak well, you could see he was angry but he stayed composed.
It seems everyone except the Ref & VAR say it should have been a penalty, now I'm not saying there's any conspiracy or bending of the rules here but it does seem odd.

Patrick Bateman

12,213 posts

175 months

Thursday 16th May
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There's not a reality where Tonali leaves on a 'quick transfer out.'