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Countdown said:
Gargamel said:
Well worth a read... some facts here I didn't,t know
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/the-che...
A thought provoking point of view.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/the-che...
For all she wants to point out that too many women are scared to come forward, I wonder what her opinions is about how many false accusations are made?
Driver101 said:
There's a lot of people too eager to try and make him sound guilty.
For all she wants to point out that too many women are scared to come forward, I wonder what her opinions is about how many false accusations there are?
In his case, the only false accusation came from the CPS.For all she wants to point out that too many women are scared to come forward, I wonder what her opinions is about how many false accusations there are?
Gargamel said:
Well worth a read... some facts here I didn't,t know
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/the-che...
The huge problem with that article is it's written as though she was a rape victim.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/the-che...
Yet shes never claimed that - she's always said she can't remember - same as he's always said she consented,
same as she did with the other guy in the threesome.
With those two sides how come he was found guilty in the first place?
Surely without corroboration you'd have to err on not guilty presumed innocent, otherwise you're into miscarriage territory.
Isn't this more balanced
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths...
Why was it necessary to find the other two guys.
Can't it be accepted that someone might consent on the night then forget later?
Where does it leave that Canadian girl about a year ago, who is determined that women shouldn't be pilloried for having threesomes
irocfan said:
What is the answer? It has been mentioned on this thread, do you get something signed before each stage 'just in case', do you film the entire thing to ensure that there's no comeback?
Ive never been accused or convicted of rape myself. I seem to have managed to go my whole life without any of my partners thinking they've been raped. TBF I didn't find it difficult to tell, I didn't even need to pay off witnesses or drag any exes character through the mud either, I expect that if you walk in on your friend and he's giving some drunk girl one, then you ought not to just think it's OK to join in? That's the kind of avoiding being accused of rape sort of maxim I live by, seems to work.
It's really not that easy to get falsely convicted of rape.
el stovey said:
irocfan said:
What is the answer? It has been mentioned on this thread, do you get something signed before each stage 'just in case', do you film the entire thing to ensure that there's no comeback?
Ive never been accused or convicted of rape myself. I seem to have managed to go my whole life without any of my partners thinking they've been raped. TBF I didn't find it difficult to tell, I didn't even need to pay off witnesses or drag any exes character through the mud either, I expect that if you walk in on your friend and he's giving some drunk girl one, then you ought not to just think it's OK to join in? That's the kind of avoiding being accused of rape sort of maxim I live by, seems to work.
It's really not that easy to get falsely convicted of rape.
Claim against original legal team.....
from the daily mail
The legal team for Evans will now look at damages. Any claim for loss of earnings – Sheffield United released him following his original conviction – will be capped at £500,000. An application has already been put in for court costs which are likely to run into the hundreds of thousands and will be taxpayer-funded. A case against Brabners, the Manchester-based solicitors which represented him in his first trial, is also likely and damages could run into millions.
from the daily mail
The legal team for Evans will now look at damages. Any claim for loss of earnings – Sheffield United released him following his original conviction – will be capped at £500,000. An application has already been put in for court costs which are likely to run into the hundreds of thousands and will be taxpayer-funded. A case against Brabners, the Manchester-based solicitors which represented him in his first trial, is also likely and damages could run into millions.
irocfan said:
Countdown said:
Gargamel said:
Well worth a read... some facts here I didn't,t know
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/the-che...
A thought provoking point of view.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/the-che...
WRT to her past sexual history in normal circumstances I'd agree with the article that it should have no bearing upon the case, but given it seemed to be a common theme that she'd consent and have a grand old time and then not remember doing x, y, z it is at this point pertinent surely? As for CE sneaking up there, an easy explanation is that hotels tend to be a little funny about more than 2 adults having sex together, could this play into that?
We're supposed to be accepting that the lady in question had a varied (maybe 'non-standard') sex life and yet if CE enjoys creampies (gotta be honest the thought turns me stomach) that he's some sort of freak?
The law as it stands is a mixture of good and bad. It's good in as much as what it says to blokes is "... you can't get some girl drunk as part of your seduction 'technique', that is rape..." and it is good and proper that this is the case. It's bad in as much as (as far as I can make out) a girl can have 'morning after regret' and then claim she was excessively drunk....
What is the answer? It has been mentioned on this thread, do you get something signed before each stage 'just in case', do you film the entire thing to ensure that there's no comeback?
e21Mark said:
Touching that the girlfriend stood by CE despite accusation and admitted infidelity. She must really love him.
i know someone who has cheated many times, been found out, had a 2 year rape allegation against him. Still cheats, and his wife, who is fairly clever is still with him. It is beyond love.The Spruce goose said:
e21Mark said:
Touching that the girlfriend stood by CE despite accusation and admitted infidelity. She must really love him.
i know someone who has cheated many times, been found out, had a 2 year rape allegation against him. Still cheats, and his wife, who is fairly clever is still with him. It is beyond love.The Spruce goose said:
e21Mark said:
Touching that the girlfriend stood by CE despite accusation and admitted infidelity. She must really love him.
i know someone who has cheated many times, been found out, had a 2 year rape allegation against him. Still cheats, and his wife, who is fairly clever is still with him. It is beyond love.Pothole said:
The Spruce goose said:
e21Mark said:
Touching that the girlfriend stood by CE despite accusation and admitted infidelity. She must really love him.
i know someone who has cheated many times, been found out, had a 2 year rape allegation against him. Still cheats, and his wife, who is fairly clever is still with him. It is beyond love.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gretchen-kelly/the-t...
Some women have grown up expecting certain forms of treatment.
Moominho said:
e21Mark said:
Touching that the girlfriend stood by CE despite accusation and admitted infidelity. She must really love him.
She was a millionaire in her own right as well (or her family were anyway). So it wasn't a purely financial decision. 
e21Mark said:
She must have a serious lack of self worth and self esteem then.
Quite ! - she seems quite a sensible girl so I can only assume she's a saint. Seems very odd. Perhaps playing for a smaller club will stop him from shagging the next bit of skirt that comes along (although I doubt it). Their wedding will, hopefully, not figure in 'Hello' magazine (or similar) but if it does I hope that the fees received go to a charity helping those affected by rape/alleged rape/abuse in general.Halb said:
desolate said:
In his case, the only false accusation came from the CPS.
Is 'false' the correct term?Pothole said:
It is beyond belief. How low does a woman's self-esteem have to be to pout up with that kind of disgusting behaviour?
Not just her, anyone supporting those actions.https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths...
Its worth reposting this article. It's the only piece I have read on this case that bears any scrutiny whatsoever.
The comments above about Evans' fiancee are totally out of order. The poor woman was wronged and yet chose to stay with her man despite the most daunting odds of a happy future. Evans owes her his future and, I sincerely hope, will now take responsibility for delivering a happy, faithful family life to her and their child. She is to be lauded for her selflessness. It is an entirely worthy condition.
Its worth reposting this article. It's the only piece I have read on this case that bears any scrutiny whatsoever.
The comments above about Evans' fiancee are totally out of order. The poor woman was wronged and yet chose to stay with her man despite the most daunting odds of a happy future. Evans owes her his future and, I sincerely hope, will now take responsibility for delivering a happy, faithful family life to her and their child. She is to be lauded for her selflessness. It is an entirely worthy condition.
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