The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]
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Exactly.
4 VAR checks in one sequence of play on Monday.
Was Cacaido's goal offside -Yes
Was the tackle on Stirling in the build up to the goal a foul, so a penalty - No
Was the tackle on Fernandez that came just after the Stirling tackle, a foul, and so a penalty - Yes
Was the tackle on Fernandez so bad it warranted the ref reviewing it on the pitch side screen for a possible red card for Romero - Yes.
I'm a Chelsea fan, so although it worked in our favour, it's clear that the 6 mins or so it took to carry out this procedure is complete nonsense, and not good for football. Just let the ref run the game. Some things will work for you, some against you.
4 VAR checks in one sequence of play on Monday.
Was Cacaido's goal offside -Yes
Was the tackle on Stirling in the build up to the goal a foul, so a penalty - No
Was the tackle on Fernandez that came just after the Stirling tackle, a foul, and so a penalty - Yes
Was the tackle on Fernandez so bad it warranted the ref reviewing it on the pitch side screen for a possible red card for Romero - Yes.
I'm a Chelsea fan, so although it worked in our favour, it's clear that the 6 mins or so it took to carry out this procedure is complete nonsense, and not good for football. Just let the ref run the game. Some things will work for you, some against you.
It should be a very simple question, has it added anything to the enjoyment of the game? If the answer is no then it's not fit for purpose.
Baring one odd weirdo whose an accountant who deals in stats all day, I haven't met any other fan who actually has good things to say about VAR.
Unfortunately the game of football is no longer just for the fans, it's a multi billion dollar business with these decisions having the potential to make a big difference to clubs bottom lines so they will keep trying to chase this unobtainable utopia of zero mistakes to the detriment of the game.
Baring one odd weirdo whose an accountant who deals in stats all day, I haven't met any other fan who actually has good things to say about VAR.
Unfortunately the game of football is no longer just for the fans, it's a multi billion dollar business with these decisions having the potential to make a big difference to clubs bottom lines so they will keep trying to chase this unobtainable utopia of zero mistakes to the detriment of the game.
Guvernator said:
It should be a very simple question, has it added anything to the enjoyment of the game? If the answer is no then it's not fit for purpose.
Baring one odd weirdo whose an accountant who deals in stats all day, I haven't met any other fan who actually has good things to say about VAR.
Unfortunately the game of football is no longer just for the fans, it's a multi billion dollar business with these decisions having the potential to make a big difference to clubs bottom lines so they will keep trying to chase this unobtainable utopia of zero mistakes to the detriment of the game.
I doubt it the clubs chasing money that is driving VAR. I don't have any evidence to hand but I'm sure that all the "big" clubs got more decisions going their way before VAR. VAR is the ultimate expression of TV, where every incident is recorded from a dozen different angles, to be instantly analysed and errors highlighted. The hypocrisy of many pundits who bemoan VAR "killing the game", who are also quick to immediately point out a referee's mistake, via the medium of slow motion video, is common place.Baring one odd weirdo whose an accountant who deals in stats all day, I haven't met any other fan who actually has good things to say about VAR.
Unfortunately the game of football is no longer just for the fans, it's a multi billion dollar business with these decisions having the potential to make a big difference to clubs bottom lines so they will keep trying to chase this unobtainable utopia of zero mistakes to the detriment of the game.
WrekinCrew said:
The next logical step is for the broadcaster to run ads during a VAR break.
Don't give them ideas!I can see it now, every VAR decision will have a full 5 mins allocated to enable them to arrive at the correct decision. In the mean time here is a word from our sponsors
Guvernator said:
Unfortunately the game of football is no longer just for the fans,
Yep. Monday was the turning point for me. When you come away from the stadium wishing you had watched the game on TV instead of in person so that you can understand all the analysis, the game is fundamentally broken.VAR was a response to terrible refereeing errors, how soon we forget that. It's become a textbook case of the cure being worse than the disease. If it were up to me, I'd ditch it, putting the onus back on refs forcing them to actually ref the games for better or worse, keep the goal line tech which works ok & stop linesmen flagging only at the end of a phase of play.
President Merkin said:
VAR was a response to terrible refereeing errors, how soon we forget that. It's become a textbook case of the cure being worse than the disease. If it were up to me, I'd ditch it, putting the onus back on refs forcing them to actually ref the games for better or worse, keep the goal line tech which works ok & stop linesmen flagging only at the end of a phase of play.
Terrible errors still happen as it's based on dozens of uncontrollable variables and interpretation. You either accept that and move on or you tie yourself in knots trying to come up with the "perfect solution".When you need to keep changing the rules to try to accommodate the fact that VAR isn't good enough, then something is clearly wrong.
Does anyone even know the rules for offside anymore or handball for that matter? Seems to be something different every week!
Guvernator said:
Unfortunately the game of football is no longer just for the fans, it's a multi billion dollar business with these decisions having the potential to make a big difference to clubs bottom lines so they will keep trying to chase this unobtainable utopia of zero mistakes to the detriment of the game.
In theory that's no different to the game. Sure, team A may avoid the drop because of a var call, but that means team B goes down instead. Next season, it may be team A that goes down and team C survives. Sometimes it'll work for you, and sometimes against you. 48k said:
Yep. Monday was the turning point for me. When you come away from the stadium wishing you had watched the game on TV instead of in person so that you can understand all the analysis, the game is fundamentally broken.
Absolutely. When the fan at home knows more than people at the game, something needs to change. This first reared it's ugly head in the first season of VAR, Arsenal got a goal away at Man U that was flagged offside, when the tv replay showed it was well onside. People at home were texting Arsenal fans in the ground telling them not to worry, and the goal would be given. Just ridiculous. Guvernator said:
President Merkin said:
VAR was a response to terrible refereeing errors, how soon we forget that. It's become a textbook case of the cure being worse than the disease. If it were up to me, I'd ditch it, putting the onus back on refs forcing them to actually ref the games for better or worse, keep the goal line tech which works ok & stop linesmen flagging only at the end of a phase of play.
Terrible errors still happen as it's based on dozens of uncontrollable variables and interpretation. You either accept that and move on or you tie yourself in knots trying to come up with the "perfect solution".When you need to keep changing the rules to try to accommodate the fact that VAR isn't good enough, then something is clearly wrong.
Does anyone even know the rules for offside anymore or handball for that matter? Seems to be something different every week!
President Merkin said:
We're in broad agreement aren't we? Var doesn't work, they tinker with it & it gets worse. The options are stick with it or bin it & either way, there will be errors every week. We know this because we knew what went before & we see Var cocking up now, so it doesn't work consistently enough to fix the problems it was introduced to solve and it's had a fair crack of the whip by now too.
We are in agreement, it will be a long time before we can completely remove human error and judgement from the process so for the time being, errors will be present with or without VAR, therefore what we need to decide is whether the small improvement that VAR provides in accuracy is worth all the other disadvantages it brings with it. Long interruptions, potentially leading to more injuries due to stop start, worse experience for live fans, longer extra time (injuries again) and loss of spontaneity which for me is a huge one. One of the best things as a football fan is the elation of seeing your team score a goal, VAR has pretty much killed a lot of that, score a goal, have a half hearted cheer then wait a few minutes for VAR and then have another half hearted cheer. It's awful.
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