That Little Genius…
Discussion
hyphen said:
If your club was bought by a rich arab, would you then not want your own team to win as you spent so much?
It's less to do with the money, I'm a Utd fan so can hardly moan, it's more to do with the fact they now have the best frontline potentially of any club and the rest of the team isn't too shabby, but football isn't about just chucking mega money and winning stuff which I'm not sure the oil guys quite get yetSo if they have built on paper the Harlem Globetrotters of football and then fail to win anything, yes I would chuckle loudly
I'd also suggest that to cement a legacy as the GOAT then delivering in 3 competitive leagues in 3 countries while delivering for your national team vs doing it on 1 league where the club have bankrupted themselves to maintain their dominance and then a league where no one else really gets a look in isn't challenging yourself
Leicester Loyal said:
PSG have done some unreal business this summer, all on frees, even though the wages will be mega.
Anyone care to clarify the rules. Is it just Spain that have the wages cap or is it a EUFA/ FIFA rule, because PSGs income ( without unlimited Arab oil money) must be less than Barca’s and their wages higher now.Cliffe60 said:
Anyone care to clarify the rules. Is it just Spain that have the wages cap or is it a EUFA/ FIFA rule, because PSGs income ( without unlimited Arab oil money) must be less than Barca’s and their wages higher now.
La Liga have enforced their own rules which Barca, Real etc are having to abide by and is what caused Messi to have to leaveFFP is what PSG will be scrutinized against but has been found to be largely toothless to date
Bradgate said:
I can’t help thinking that if Messi genuinely loved Barca as much as his tearful performance at the press conference was intended to convey, he would have done a Buffon and stayed to help the club in its time of need in exchange for whatever salary they could realistically afford to pay him. It’s not like he needs PSG’s millions, after all.
He may love the club but that doesn’t mean he loves the people in charge of the club that have created this mess in the first place. Leicester Loyal said:
PSG have done some unreal business this summer, all on frees, even though the wages will be mega.
Yep, but if they've "saved" themselves £2-300m in transfer fees that'll help. Rumours are they're unloading 10 players, if true, that's serious! They've brought in a few good players but losing 10 to gain 3-4 is risky business. Messi is also no spring chicken any more.wastedyouth86 said:
Bradgate said:
I can’t help thinking that if Messi genuinely loved Barca as much as his tearful performance at the press conference was intended to convey, he would have done a Buffon and stayed to help the club in its time of need in exchange for whatever salary they could realistically afford to pay him. It’s not like he needs PSG’s millions, after all.
He may love the club but that doesn’t mean he loves the people in charge of the club that have created this mess in the first place. wastedyouth86 said:
anonymous said:
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That’s true but Messi doesn’t have time on his side. Barca have created the problem for themselves, only they are to blame.
You never know, after 6 months or so in a new enviroment, Messi might actually be saying to himself, I wish I'd left years ago...!!
anonymous said:
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But he couldn't stay.....2020. Messi wants to leave.
I agree it doesn't seem like he loves the club so much at this point and it's clearly a power play, but they must actually kicking themselves that he ended up staying because it's contributed to the financial situation they are in.
Why they didn't sell him for £100m while they could is, on paper, mystifying but I suppose they thought that La Liga would never actually go ahead and enforce the FFP rules on them
2021. Messi wants to stay.
He can't. Even for nothing. There is no way possible for him to stay without La Liga changing the rules, which they refused to do and is out of Messi's control.
People point to crocodile tears but I believe he genuinely didn't want to leave. Last year's power play was a bit salty, but I don't believe that Messi himself is fully in control of the situation. i.e his Dad does a lot of the background stuff.
Cliffe60 said:
Bradgate said:
I can’t help thinking that if Messi genuinely loved Barca as much as his tearful performance at the press conference was intended to convey, he would have done a Buffon and stayed to help the club in its time of need in exchange for whatever salary they could realistically afford to pay him. It’s not like he needs PSG’s millions, after all.
Correct me if I’m wrong but did he not ask for a transfer last year and Barca said no?If so the tears are a bit fake.
On the Buffon point; LaLiga rules are that the maximum pay cut a player can receive year on year is 50%, which he accepted with no complaints. He can't legally play for less money than that.
Even with the 50% Barca were over the wage cap so in the end it was impossible to keep him.
At the moment they haven't even registered Depay or Aguero because again even without Messi they are still over the wage cap.
So unless they start terminating players contracts Aguero and Depay are about to get paid for not playing.
It's worth considering that this is a club paying Griezmann £700k/wk.
Its a mess wholly of Bartomeu's making. The guy was insane.
anonymous said:
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The way out was to accept the CVC (ex F1 owners) deal put together by LaLiga. If Barca had accepted the deal then the wage cap was no longer relevant and they could've registered everyone.This whole thing was pretty political, the wage cap served LaLiga's purposes, which was to force Barca into a corner and give them the choice of losing Messi or accepting the deal. Tebas (LaL president) had assumed there was no way they'd let Messi leave.
Rightly, Barca clocked it was a terrible deal involving giving CVC 10% of all income until 2071. And ultimately made the right choice to reject the deal and take the short term pain of losing Messi.
It's backfired on LaLiga now though as they have a tough sell of their product with no Messi, a neutered Barca, no Aguero, and no global superstars in the league.
anonymous said:
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I don't think it has backfired on them, as La Liga are looking at the bigger picture and the future of La Liga long term, not the future of just a couple of years in the future which is all the President's of Barca and RM look ahead......as with any elected person, they look only as far as their term of office.Muzzer79 said:
But he couldn't stay.....
2020. Messi wants to leave.
I agree it doesn't seem like he loves the club so much at this point and it's clearly a power play, but they must actually kicking themselves that he ended up staying because it's contributed to the financial situation they are in.
Why they didn't sell him for £100m while they could is, on paper, mystifying but I suppose they thought that La Liga would never actually go ahead and enforce the FFP rules on them
2021. Messi wants to stay.
He can't. Even for nothing. There is no way possible for him to stay without La Liga changing the rules, which they refused to do and is out of Messi's control.
People point to crocodile tears but I believe he genuinely didn't want to leave. Last year's power play was a bit salty, but I don't believe that Messi himself is fully in control of the situation. i.e his Dad does a lot of the background stuff.
Barca didn’t sell him last year as they didn’t see any reason to. They had the ESL to fall back on as a new money tree and everything was going to be perfect again. Then it all went a bit off plan2020. Messi wants to leave.
I agree it doesn't seem like he loves the club so much at this point and it's clearly a power play, but they must actually kicking themselves that he ended up staying because it's contributed to the financial situation they are in.
Why they didn't sell him for £100m while they could is, on paper, mystifying but I suppose they thought that La Liga would never actually go ahead and enforce the FFP rules on them
2021. Messi wants to stay.
He can't. Even for nothing. There is no way possible for him to stay without La Liga changing the rules, which they refused to do and is out of Messi's control.
People point to crocodile tears but I believe he genuinely didn't want to leave. Last year's power play was a bit salty, but I don't believe that Messi himself is fully in control of the situation. i.e his Dad does a lot of the background stuff.
I'd definately put the blame at the door of Bartomeu, paying the players stupid wages, making some ridiculous transfers (The money they paid for Coutinho was ridiculous) and he has also made a mess of their academy so how Barca develop players isn't what it should be either. The club are a mess and from what I've read a lot of it is down to his management.
grassomaniac said:
I'd definately put the blame at the door of Bartomeu, paying the players stupid wages, making some ridiculous transfers (The money they paid for Coutinho was ridiculous) and he has also made a mess of their academy so how Barca develop players isn't what it should be either. The club are a mess and from what I've read a lot of it is down to his management.
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