How Would You Feel About A Gay Player In The Dressing Room?

[im]

DanL said:

Ultimately it seems that this is all about whether people feel comfortable or not. If someone isn't comfortable getting changed in front of someone else (for whatever reason) then they're free to head home and change there, surely? Or free to wait until the changing room is empty, or free not to go to somewhere that they'd have to share a changing room/showers in the first place. Lots of choice, no real drama.

Fair point, well made.

However, using that logic I take I can just stroll into the womens locker room tonight then?

"If you don't like it hun, pull your knickers up and get changed at home".

ETA: People! Please! Stop relating this to how you'd feel. Thats not the question before you.

Look upon it as you're the judge in a case brought before you by a bloke who has objected to getting changed in the same changing room as someone who is openly gay on the grounds that what is good for a woman should apply to him as well. He should be free of any form of PERCEIVED sexual pressure in that pursuit.

What do you decide and why?

Edited by im on Thursday 16th January 15:10

[anonymous-user]

im said:

Fair point, well made.

However, using that logic I take I can just stroll into the womens locker room tonight then?

"If you don't like it hun, pull your knickers up and get changed at home".

ETA: People! Please! Stop relating this to how you'd feel. Thats not the question before you.

Edited by im on Thursday 16th January 14:58

No because there is (I assume but I don't know) a law against that? There is not currently a law that says a gay man cannot enter the mens locker rooms

Another interesting angle for you

How many times have you seen a female news reporter (sports or otherwise) enter a male locker room to interview someone and how many times have you seen the opposite?

[im]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Another fair point - but if any of the players had said "wait a minute...I'm not happy about this..." what do you think would have happened?

If she'd continued anyway then the players wife or daughters might be distressed that despite his protestations she had continued on regardless.

I suspect the TV crews always get permission first as they are quite likely to burst in on 15 todgers swaying in the breeze live on camera on Grandstand at 5:15

Edited by im on Thursday 16th January 15:07

[CAPP0]

e21Mark said:

I see. I must confess, subtle isn't a word your previous posts have eluded too.

So his previous posts have definitely been subtle then?

[wolves_wanderer]

CAPP0 said:

e21Mark said:

I see. I must confess, subtle isn't a word your previous posts have eluded too.

So his previous posts have definitely been subtle then?

Now that is subtle

[e21Mark]

wolves_wanderer said:

CAPP0 said:

e21Mark said:

I see. I must confess, subtle isn't a word your previous posts have eluded too.

So his previous posts have definitely been subtle then?

Now that is subtle

[Super Slo Mo]

im said:

I suspect the TV crews always get permission first as they are quite likely to burst in on 15 todgers swaying in the breeze live on camera on Grandstand at 5:15

There's always a floor manager who talks to the team regarding this. Camera and crew have to wait outside the door until they get permission, if they get permission at all.
Having said that, it's not unheard of for the odd penis to enter the frame.

[Black can man]

GTO-3R said:

I know a few gay guys and wouldn't care less about sharing a shower with them.

I've not read the whole thread , but I pretty much go along with this, no big deal , I think a lot of men just think that because you go tackle out in the shower the Gay man is going get a boner , doesn't happen , I'm told .

[im]

Black can man said:

I've not read the whole thread , but I pretty much go along with this, no big deal , I think a lot of men just think that because you go tackle out in the shower the Gay man is going get a boner , doesn't happen , I'm told .

Read the thread fella. This thread has nothing to do with Gays getting boners. Although all of the hard of thinking keep steering it that way.

I'll summarise it again...

Look upon it as you're the judge in a case brought before you by a bloke who has objected to getting changed in the same gym's changing room as someone who is openly gay on the grounds that what is good for a woman should apply to him as well. He should be free of any form of PERCEIVED sexual pressure in that pursuit much as a woman would demand and get.

What do you decide and why?

[Black can man]

im said:

Read the thread fella. This thread has nothing to do with Gays getting boners. Although all of the hard of thinking keep steering it that way.

I'll summarise it again...

Look upon it as you're the judge in a case brought before you by a bloke who has objected to getting changed in the same gym's changing room as someone who is openly gay on the grounds that what is good for a woman should apply to him as well. He should be free of any form of PERCEIVED sexual pressure in that pursuit much as a woman would demand and get.

What do you decide and why?

I'll bail out now then , I really can't be arsed to read 7 pages of Gayness or anti gayness . Who cares these days .

I'm just not fussed

[Glenred]

Black can man said:

I'll bail out now then , I really can't be arsed to read 7 pages of Gayness or anti gayness . Who cares these days .

I'm just not fussed

One of those types eh? Plays both sides.

[Bill]

I'd be deciding it was a ridiculous waste of court time and he should get changed at home if he's so worried.

:hammer: Next...

[Black can man]

Glenred said:

Black can man said:

I'll bail out now then , I really can't be arsed to read 7 pages of Gayness or anti gayness . Who cares these days .

I'm just not fussed

One of those types eh? Plays both sides.

I worked in Soho for 13 years Glen , you get to see some very strange folk there.

[Glenred]

Black can man said:

Glenred said:

Black can man said:

I'll bail out now then , I really can't be arsed to read 7 pages of Gayness or anti gayness . Who cares these days .

I'm just not fussed

One of those types eh? Plays both sides.

I worked in Soho for 13 years Glen , you get to see some very strange folk there.

I won't ask!

[NDA]

I was reminded of this sketch.... Spin to 1:44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCer49nEfpY&fea...

[CAPP0]

I guess there's always the possibility that the gay guy in your changing room may think that you're a complete munter; boner crisis averted.

[im]

CAPP0 said:

I guess there's always the possibility that the gay guy in your changing room may think that you're a complete munter; boner crisis averted.

What are you on about?

[2seas]

Well I for one think this is a pretty interesting topic. If a straight guy is uncomfortable sharing a changing room with a gay guy then I can't form an argument as to why this would be 'wrong'. Which in turn implies it would be 'right' to offer the straight guy the option of being able to change/shower in private. As has been pointed out the justification is the same as a woman objecting to sharing a changing room with a man.

For all the people saying 'it doesn't bother me'. Ask yourself this: if nudity were legal and your mates suddenly decided to strip you naked and stick you in the middle of London are you sure you would feel completely comfortable in your nakedness? I'm guessing the answer is no. So, to some degree you are self conscious about being naked and if that scenario were to present itself you would feel violated as you have a right to privacy and that choice was removed form you...

That second paragraph is slightly tangential I admit, but there is relevance. The point is perhaps the answer is offering people a choice. So in a male only changing room simply having a few cubicles now gives any straight person uncomfortable changing in front of gay people a choice (to use the cubicle if they want privacy).

[e21Mark]

So ((in future) would people have to declare their sexuality in order to determine which changing room they use? (for fear of someone using said changing room, perceiving themselves as being found sexually attractive)

Edited by e21Mark on Friday 17th January 07:19

[Hugo a Gogo]

what about say a youth team, where some of the lads hadn't fully decided what their sexuality was?
or someone who was in denial, married with kids, but secretly fancied men
is there a test maybe?

btw, I know a fella who claims to be asexual, he's even been on a telly programme about it - he could go anywhere, perhaps if he had a certificate or something