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48k said:
The T Boy said:
I'm reasonably happy with this squad, especially considering what is actually available.
this x eleventy billionThey worrying factor that the England national is bang average against the top teams in the world. I have heard lots recently about how England is doing at U17/U18/U19 etc which is great but there is no chance that will ever filter through to the national team. This is from 2017 but in the premier league 69% of all the players are foreign. Thats a crazy stat and just shows why we will always struggle as a national team.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10725...
Challo said:
48k said:
The T Boy said:
I'm reasonably happy with this squad, especially considering what is actually available.
this x eleventy billionThey worrying factor that the England national is bang average against the top teams in the world. I have heard lots recently about how England is doing at U17/U18/U19 etc which is great but there is no chance that will ever filter through to the national team. This is from 2017 but in the premier league 69% of all the players are foreign. Thats a crazy stat and just shows why we will always struggle as a national team.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10725...
The quality of forign players now playing in the PL should rais the bar for English players
I don't have any figures. But how many nations at the world cup have a higher % of their team playing in their nations top league?
48Valves said:
And when the % of English players in our top leage was higher we won what exactly?
The quality of forign players now playing in the PL should rais the bar for English players
I don't have any figures. But how many nations at the world cup have a higher % of their team playing in their nations top league?
I'd say if anything the number of foreign players in the PL helps those nations, their players get familiar with ours and our playing style.The quality of forign players now playing in the PL should rais the bar for English players
I don't have any figures. But how many nations at the world cup have a higher % of their team playing in their nations top league?
Rather than reducing the number, it would probably be beneficial for more English players to move abroad and play in Spain/German/Italy/etc.
Fittster said:
I'd have taken Ryan Sessegnon.
Now there is a wildcard if ever there was one. He has been outstanding, the best English left sided player in all divisions and finished the season so strong. But being outside the top division wont ever get a look in and we plump for Young or someone like that. Now if there was ever a gamble that was the best one Southgate could have made. As someone else posted up earlier, the midfield is a big concern. I keep reading on websites that Alli is proven at this level but I really don't think he is. I cannot remember a game he really stamped his foot on in the same we he has for Spurs. Has the same scoring rate as John Terry at international level. Not sure if its the system, or the players around him but he just goes missing game after game.
Dier and Henderson were both shown to be bang average against international opposition in the last tournament and subsequent matches. Dier especially is very culpable to being too slow on the ball against decent sides at international level and Henderson the king of the 40 yard sideways pass.
The midfield is a real concern, doesn't provide enough cover and doesn't support the attack enough through quality possession. I actually think the defence generally would be half decent but will get exposed by our fragile midfield.
Zetec-S said:
48Valves said:
And when the % of English players in our top leage was higher we won what exactly?
The quality of forign players now playing in the PL should rais the bar for English players
I don't have any figures. But how many nations at the world cup have a higher % of their team playing in their nations top league?
I'd say if anything the number of foreign players in the PL helps those nations, their players get familiar with ours and our playing style.The quality of forign players now playing in the PL should rais the bar for English players
I don't have any figures. But how many nations at the world cup have a higher % of their team playing in their nations top league?
Rather than reducing the number, it would probably be beneficial for more English players to move abroad and play in Spain/German/Italy/etc.
Zetec-S said:
48Valves said:
And when the % of English players in our top leage was higher we won what exactly?
The quality of forign players now playing in the PL should rais the bar for English players
I don't have any figures. But how many nations at the world cup have a higher % of their team playing in their nations top league?
I'd say if anything the number of foreign players in the PL helps those nations, their players get familiar with ours and our playing style.The quality of forign players now playing in the PL should rais the bar for English players
I don't have any figures. But how many nations at the world cup have a higher % of their team playing in their nations top league?
Rather than reducing the number, it would probably be beneficial for more English players to move abroad and play in Spain/German/Italy/etc.
coldel said:
Fittster said:
I'd have taken Ryan Sessegnon.
Now there is a wildcard if ever there was one. He has been outstanding, the best English left sided player in all divisions and finished the season so strong. But being outside the top division wont ever get a look in and we plump for Young or someone like that. Now if there was ever a gamble that was the best one Southgate could have made. As someone else posted up earlier, the midfield is a big concern. I keep reading on websites that Alli is proven at this level but I really don't think he is. I cannot remember a game he really stamped his foot on in the same we he has for Spurs. Has the same scoring rate as John Terry at international level. Not sure if its the system, or the players around him but he just goes missing game after game.
Dier and Henderson were both shown to be bang average against international opposition in the last tournament and subsequent matches. Dier especially is very culpable to being too slow on the ball against decent sides at international level and Henderson the king of the 40 yard sideways pass.
The midfield is a real concern, doesn't provide enough cover and doesn't support the attack enough through quality possession. I actually think the defence generally would be half decent but will get exposed by our fragile midfield.
Surely Southgate should have picked another central midfield player like Wilshere/Shelvey to be in the squad. We just seem again to have a player like Delph who could do a job.
At international level you need players who are the best in their position. Not someone who might be ok.
Challo said:
The big concern is apart from Henderson and Dier we dont have any other central midfielders in the squad. Delph is not good enough and plays for City at left back, Lingard is a 10/Wide player, Sterling Wide, Loftus- Cheek plays wide for Palace.
Surely Southgate should have picked another central midfield player like Wilshere/Shelvey to be in the squad. We just seem again to have a player like Delph who could do a job.
At international level you need players who are the best in their position. Not someone who might be ok.
Aye I totally agree, there is little to choose from (Southgate cited the 33% just now in an interview) but it still stands that Dier and Henderson are bang average players on the world stage. I think it was a bit too late to bring Shelvey in, but Southgate should have given him a run out earlier in the season so its his own fault he was left without that option. Also agree on Delph, jack of all trades master of none. Why bother, just pick a player that plays their position week in week out and knows the role. Surely Southgate should have picked another central midfield player like Wilshere/Shelvey to be in the squad. We just seem again to have a player like Delph who could do a job.
At international level you need players who are the best in their position. Not someone who might be ok.
cliffe_mafia said:
Totally agree - Sterling has been magnificent for us this season. Unbelievable that some numpties above are considering leaving him out of the starting eleven. 18 goals and 15 assists in the Prem. Yes he misses too many (you could probably say that about Salah too 
) but he consistently drives the team on and makes things happen by forcing his way into the box.
I like him playing centrally too - especially on the counter he scares the hell out of big central defenders left one on one. ) but he consistently drives the team on and makes things happen by forcing his way into the box.if Kane plays you have to play Alli imho no question.
depends if he goes 3-5-1-1 or with Dier as a sweeper style midfielder - he was a centre half himself so I suspect he'll play safe and use the undoubted pace in the team.
Kane can hold the ball and be provider too so its not all lost in terms of attack, I reckon he'll play lingard and use rash / vardy from the bench to change the game if required.
formation isn't clear but you do have quite a few players that can switch positions especially across the front which is very useful.
depends if he goes 3-5-1-1 or with Dier as a sweeper style midfielder - he was a centre half himself so I suspect he'll play safe and use the undoubted pace in the team.
Kane can hold the ball and be provider too so its not all lost in terms of attack, I reckon he'll play lingard and use rash / vardy from the bench to change the game if required.
formation isn't clear but you do have quite a few players that can switch positions especially across the front which is very useful.
Nom de ploom said:
if Kane plays you have to play Alli imho no question.
I agree with this. I'd like to see Sterling on at the same time though.Vardy is a great striker but he needs the right kind of service and I'm not sure whether that's going to exist with the players in that squad.
I woudn't mind betting the proportion of goals vardy has scored were run throughs or running onto the ball was pretty high.
that killer pass or through ball isn't going to come from hendo or dier...alli possibly or even kane but vardy attacks the space and woys tactice against iceland exposed in the last tournament where there was no space and no plan b.
we'll need a plan b this time around for sure
that killer pass or through ball isn't going to come from hendo or dier...alli possibly or even kane but vardy attacks the space and woys tactice against iceland exposed in the last tournament where there was no space and no plan b.
we'll need a plan b this time around for sure
Yes a plan that doesnt involve chickens without heads!
I think you are doing Vardy a disservice, he scores break goals for Leicester because thats how they play. But in the box the guy is lethal, always sniffing out a chance, scored a few good goals for England getting onto crosses and you know any loose ball in the box or knock down.
I think you are doing Vardy a disservice, he scores break goals for Leicester because thats how they play. But in the box the guy is lethal, always sniffing out a chance, scored a few good goals for England getting onto crosses and you know any loose ball in the box or knock down.
coldel said:
Whats interesting is that partnership in the England set up has produced very little. Again no idea why, must be something to do with the formation, style of play or opposition.
Possibly because at Spurs they have Erikson laying it on a plate for them. England don't have that in the middle.Interestingly, since Coutinho left Liverpool they haven't had a creative midfielder playing but have relied on 3 pacy forward players to do all the work very succesfully. With Rashford, Sterling, Kane and Vardy this formation could suit England well, rather than trying to slowly build things up through the middle.
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