The Official Liverpool Thread, Volume 4
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Uhura fighter said:
"What liverpool FC deserves and what the Liverpool supporters deserve is far more important than me."
Kenny interview in the echo
More class in his little finger than anyone the other side of the pond.Kenny interview in the echo
hornetrider said:
Uhura fighter said:
"What liverpool FC deserves and what the Liverpool supporters deserve is far more important than me."
Kenny interview in the echo
More class in his little finger than anyone the other side of the pond.Kenny interview in the echo
KD has always wanted what's best for Liverpool Football Club and that will never change.
hornetrider said:
More class in his little finger than anyone the other side of the pond.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/06/article-...
Uhura fighter said:
"What liverpool FC deserves and what the Liverpool supporters deserve is far more important than me."
Kenny interview in the echo
Legend.Kenny interview in the echo
A lot of journo's, opposing fans and even some Liverpool fans think that Kenny doesn't have the ability to 'play the media game' and that he's very bristly when interviewed.
I think there's a slight, but key fallacy to this. It's not that he can't play the game - he's just not willing to. I actually really respect him for having his opinions and not wavering. For saying it like he sees it. Yes he can be blunt and yes he can be belligerent during interviews. If I were the owners, or an opposing fan, or a journo then this would upset me. But i'm not, i'm a Liverpool fan and I love it. I love that he calls bulls
t on people and he treats stupid questions with contempt.What's infinitely more important is how Kenny treats the players, fans and owners. In this respect surely no one can argue he has covered himself with glory and always been dignified. Everyone has their own view, and mine was that it was brilliant to see Kenny standing up for Suarez. It might not have been good for the 'image of the club' but who gives a s
t. He believed Suarez was in the right and he knew how much crap he'd get from the media but he went for it anyway. That shows courage. Suarez could walk into most top sides and i'm sure there will be some willing to pay him more. If he stays I think a lot of the credit will go to Kenny for sticking by him.Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.
2seas said:
Legend.
A lot of journo's, opposing fans and even some Liverpool fans think that Kenny doesn't have the ability to 'play the media game' and that he's very bristly when interviewed.
I think there's a slight, but key fallacy to this. It's not that he can't play the game - he's just not willing to. I actually really respect him for having his opinions and not wavering. For saying it like he sees it. Yes he can be blunt and yes he can be belligerent during interviews. If I were the owners, or an opposing fan, or a journo then this would upset me. But i'm not, i'm a Liverpool fan and I love it. I love that he calls bullst on people and he treats stupid questions with contempt.
What's infinitely more important is how Kenny treats the players, fans and owners. In this respect surely no one can argue he has covered himself with glory and always been dignified. Everyone has their own view, and mine was that it was brilliant to see Kenny standing up for Suarez. It might not have been good for the 'image of the club' but who gives a st. He believed Suarez was in the right and he knew how much crap he'd get from the media but he went for it anyway. That shows courage. Suarez could walk into most top sides and i'm sure there will be some willing to pay him more. If he stays I think a lot of the credit will go to Kenny for sticking by him.
Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.
A lot of journo's, opposing fans and even some Liverpool fans think that Kenny doesn't have the ability to 'play the media game' and that he's very bristly when interviewed.
I think there's a slight, but key fallacy to this. It's not that he can't play the game - he's just not willing to. I actually really respect him for having his opinions and not wavering. For saying it like he sees it. Yes he can be blunt and yes he can be belligerent during interviews. If I were the owners, or an opposing fan, or a journo then this would upset me. But i'm not, i'm a Liverpool fan and I love it. I love that he calls bulls
t on people and he treats stupid questions with contempt.What's infinitely more important is how Kenny treats the players, fans and owners. In this respect surely no one can argue he has covered himself with glory and always been dignified. Everyone has their own view, and mine was that it was brilliant to see Kenny standing up for Suarez. It might not have been good for the 'image of the club' but who gives a s
t. He believed Suarez was in the right and he knew how much crap he'd get from the media but he went for it anyway. That shows courage. Suarez could walk into most top sides and i'm sure there will be some willing to pay him more. If he stays I think a lot of the credit will go to Kenny for sticking by him.Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.
BRB, I'm just off to pleasure myself.
anonymous said:
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Simply, there has to be a manager. Getting rid of a manager can't be treated in isolation from the question of who should replace him. To put it another way, what's the point of getting rid of Dalglish if you can't replace him with someone better? Whether any of the suggestions are better is a subjective question, but surely you can't fail to see the irony in Raja suddenly being filled with dread as it dawns on him that Bielsa isn't coming? He's been repeatedly asked who would come to Liverpool and do a better job and come up with nothing, now perhaps he might realise why people were asking that question months ago.
anonymous said:
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No you misunderstand the tone of my post. I generally have agreed with Raja, if not always his choice of words. 
I believe I posted a note some months back defending Raja and saying that I had personal reservations about Dalglish as a long term manager for Liverpool when he was appointed.I guess what I'm asking Raja to do is not hide behind the "it's the owner's decision", but to put forward his own thoughts, mainly because I'm genuinely interested to hear his views. If he was so vocal about how bad Dalglish was, then he must have some idea of who he thinks would be able to do a better job.
For me it's Mourinho then Rafa. However, seeing some of the stats on AVB I'm starting to warm to him as a possible. He'd be a proper long term option! But then I'm not sure clubs or managers look for that anymore anyways.
Piersman2 said:
anonymous said:
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No you misunderstand the tone of my post. I generally have agreed with Raja, if not always his choice of words. I believe I posted a note some months back defending Raja and saying that I had personal reservations about Dalglish as a long term manager for Liverpool when he was appointed.I guess what I'm asking Raja to do is not hide behind the "it's the owner's decision", but to put forward his own thoughts, mainly because I'm genuinely interested to hear his views. If he was so vocal about how bad Dalglish was, then he must have some idea of who he thinks would be able to do a better job.
For me it's Mourinho then Rafa. However, seeing some of the stats on AVB I'm starting to warm to him as a possible. He'd be a proper long term option! But then I'm not sure clubs or managers look for that anymore anyways.
I think AVB is the most logical choice
paulrockliffe said:
Simply, there has to be a manager. Getting rid of a manager can't be treated in isolation from the question of who should replace him. To put it another way, what's the point of getting rid of Dalglish if you can't replace him with someone better?
Whether any of the suggestions are better is a subjective question, but surely you can't fail to see the irony in Raja suddenly being filled with dread as it dawns on him that Bielsa isn't coming? He's been repeatedly asked who would come to Liverpool and do a better job and come up with nothing, now perhaps he might realise why people were asking that question months ago.
Nicely put.Whether any of the suggestions are better is a subjective question, but surely you can't fail to see the irony in Raja suddenly being filled with dread as it dawns on him that Bielsa isn't coming? He's been repeatedly asked who would come to Liverpool and do a better job and come up with nothing, now perhaps he might realise why people were asking that question months ago.
It's like a marriage, you can divorce the partner without having to worry about a replacement but a football manager's position has to be filled, with someone! So just saying 'get rid, get rid' is nonsencical if you don't think you know of a potential, hopefully better, replacement.
2seas said:
Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.
Is that what he did in 1991, when he walked out at the top of the league?Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?
I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.
Piersman2 said:
However, seeing some of the stats on AVB I'm starting to warm to him as a possible. He'd be a proper long term option! But then I'm not sure clubs or managers look for that anymore anyways.
Thing is, look what Chelsea did to him for being outside the Top 4. He was touted as a long term option but the owner was not prepared to give him the long term to shape his team and he was sacked for being 5th. Our owners have just demonstrated that they are exactly the same. Short term mediocrity in the league will not be tolerated. Europa League is not enough. It is Top 4 and Champions League at all costs - this is very arrogant indeed.What the owners fail to understand is that Top 4 is now much more difficult to attain than it was 3 years ago. Spurs have improved and will be there or thereabouts, but the important one is City. If the Spuds and Toon will forgive my arrogance for a moment, it is at the very least 5 into 4 doesn't go - and if you include Spurs its 6 into 4 doesn't go. Add Newcastle and its 7.
So... say AVB does come in and we are 6th or 7th at Christmas - what then? Sack him? These owners with no knowledge of the game will be the death of it.
Wombat3 said:
Piersman2 said:
Personally, i think much of the lack of support of Kenny from the yanks comes form the Suarez affair. The yanks will be very, very sensitive of the 'brand' and having any link to any form of rascism would be a massive no-no in any corporate office, especially stateside. That whole affair was not well handled, actually I'm struggling to think how it could have been done worse!
Nah, if they were going to bin him for that they would already have done so (and /or had a new manager installed by today). He's been binned because they don't reckon he's the right guy now - and who would put it past him to do the "back me or sack me" thing?If you're going to do the 'we are 1 team against the rest of the world' like Mourinho does so well, you better make sure you win well whilst doing it.
hornetrider said:
Thing is, look what Chelsea did to him for being outside the Top 4. He was touted as a long term option but the owner was not prepared to give him the long term to shape his team and he was sacked for being 5th. Our owners have just demonstrated that they are exactly the same. Short term mediocrity in the league will not be tolerated. Europa League is not enough. It is Top 4 and Champions League at all costs - this is very arrogant indeed.
What the owners fail to understand is that Top 4 is now much more difficult to attain than it was 3 years ago. Spurs have improved and will be there or thereabouts, but the important one is City. If the Spuds and Toon will forgive my arrogance for a moment, it is at the very least 5 into 4 doesn't go - and if you include Spurs its 6 into 4 doesn't go. Add Newcastle and its 7.
So... say AVB does come in and we are 6th or 7th at Christmas - what then? Sack him? These owners with no knowledge of the game will be the death of it.
But that simply isn't accurate, you assume that he was sacked solely on the basis of your league position, I think the Suarez affair, the transfers and then the perfomance in the league have all added to the final resultWhat the owners fail to understand is that Top 4 is now much more difficult to attain than it was 3 years ago. Spurs have improved and will be there or thereabouts, but the important one is City. If the Spuds and Toon will forgive my arrogance for a moment, it is at the very least 5 into 4 doesn't go - and if you include Spurs its 6 into 4 doesn't go. Add Newcastle and its 7.
So... say AVB does come in and we are 6th or 7th at Christmas - what then? Sack him? These owners with no knowledge of the game will be the death of it.
10 Pence Short said:
Is that what he did in 1991, when he walked out at the top of the league?
Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?
I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.
I also agree with this and it was one of my reservations about his appointment 17 months ago. Kenny loves the adulation when things are going well, plays up to it well, but when things get a little tougher then then other side of his personality comes through.Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?
I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.
What I have no doubt about though is his genuine feeling of being part of Liverpool. Although I sometimes wonder whether his comments are more to do with ensuring he walks away with the moral highground and the continuing adulation of the fans.
10 Pence Short said:
Is that what he did in 1991, when he walked out at the top of the league?
Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?
I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.
Aye, misty eyed rubbish. Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?
I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.
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