The Official Liverpool Thread, Volume 4

[car crazy]

Wombat3 said:

Pardew + the Dembas, Tiote & Cabaye?

Everything at Newcastle is for sale for the right price.....

no pardew is too good, anyway he would never go to a smaller club lower down the league
Mcarthy is available as is Steve Bruce but they might be after big clubs too

[hornetrider]

anonymous said:

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Hmmm. We now know that Kenny didn't negotiate for the players - he approved of them to buy - buying was Commolli - sacked. Disagree on Suarez that it was instrumental in his sacking - if we were 4th/5th Kenny would still be in the job.

[Raja]

paulrockliffe said:

anonymous said:

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Simply, there has to be a manager. Getting rid of a manager can't be treated in isolation from the question of who should replace him. To put it another way, what's the point of getting rid of Dalglish if you can't replace him with someone better?

Whether any of the suggestions are better is a subjective question, but surely you can't fail to see the irony in Raja suddenly being filled with dread as it dawns on him that Bielsa isn't coming? He's been repeatedly asked who would come to Liverpool and do a better job and come up with nothing, now perhaps he might realise why people were asking that question months ago.

Ha. What a joke! Deal with it. Dalglish wasn't good enough.

Who we replace him with is up to the owners. I'd rather it wasn't Pardew etc but that doesn't mean Dalglish shouldn't have gone. I'm glad he's gone - relic from the past who believed that winning a Carling Cup would somehow offset failing to compete for top 4. 120 million wasted in less than 6 months, all of whom were players he wanted.

Time for a fresh start.

[phil_cardiff]

10 Pence Short said:

2seas said:

Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.

Is that what he did in 1991, when he walked out at the top of the league?

Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?

I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.

Firstly, my trolling friend, he left Liverpool in 1991 as he felt he was burned out and could not do justice to the fans and players as a manager.

Secondly, how do you equate being fired as not putting fans and players first? He clearly wanted to stay to put things right for the fans, players and himself.

Once again you evidence poor judgement.

[10 Pence Short]

phil_cardiff said:

10 Pence Short said:

2seas said:

Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.

Is that what he did in 1991, when he walked out at the top of the league?

Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?

I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.

Firstly, my trolling friend, he left Liverpool in 1991 as he felt he was burned out and could not do justice to the fans and players as a manager.

Secondly, how do you equate being fired as not putting fans and players first? He clearly wanted to stay to put things right for the fans, players and himself.

Once again you evidence poor judgement.

Where were Liverpool in the league when Dalglish resigned?

What benefit did Dalglish perceive he was giving the fans and players of Celtic by attempting to take them to court for firing him?

[Raja]

phil_cardiff said:

10 Pence Short said:

2seas said:

Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.

Is that what he did in 1991, when he walked out at the top of the league?

Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?

I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.

Firstly, my trolling friend, he left Liverpool in 1991 as he felt he was burned out and could not do justice to the fans and players as a manager.

Secondly, how do you equate being fired as not putting fans and players first? He clearly wanted to stay to put things right for the fans, players and himself.

Once again you evidence poor judgement.

Kenny put himself and his ego first. The nerve of the man, flying out to confront the owners with a back me or sack me ultimatum. All about perspective.

[hornetrider]

10P, do us all a favour and do one on this point, you have absolutely no fking clue my Mancunian chum and are making a dick of yourself. Seriously.

[phil_cardiff]

10 Pence Short said:

phil_cardiff said:

10 Pence Short said:

2seas said:

Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.

Is that what he did in 1991, when he walked out at the top of the league?

Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?

I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.

Firstly, my trolling friend, he left Liverpool in 1991 as he felt he was burned out and could not do justice to the fans and players as a manager.

Secondly, how do you equate being fired as not putting fans and players first? He clearly wanted to stay to put things right for the fans, players and himself.

Once again you evidence poor judgement.

Where were Liverpool in the league when Dalglish resigned?

What benefit did Dalglish perceive he was giving the fans and players of Celtic by attempting to take them to court for firing him?

1. What's that got to do with it? He left because he couldn't do his best for the club.

2. Perhaps he thought he'd been unfairly dismissed and was still the best man for the job? I don't know the ins and outs of the legal proceedings.

[phil_cardiff]

Raja said:

phil_cardiff said:

10 Pence Short said:

2seas said:

Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.

Is that what he did in 1991, when he walked out at the top of the league?

Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?

I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.

Firstly, my trolling friend, he left Liverpool in 1991 as he felt he was burned out and could not do justice to the fans and players as a manager.

Secondly, how do you equate being fired as not putting fans and players first? He clearly wanted to stay to put things right for the fans, players and himself.

Once again you evidence poor judgement.

Kenny put himself and his ego first. The nerve of the man, flying out to confront the owners with a back me or sack me ultimatum. All about perspective.

Source for the back me or sack me?

[deadmau5]

hornetrider said:

10P, do us all a favour and do one on this point, you have absolutely no fking clue my Mancunian chum and are making a dick of yourself. Seriously.

Hear hear

[FellowPazzini]

Raja said:

Kenny put himself and his ego first. The nerve of the man, flying out to confront the owners with a back me or sack me ultimatum. All about perspective.

Is this true? or was a case of we don't want to sack over a text message?

[10 Pence Short]

hornetrider said:

10P, do us all a favour and do one on this point, you have absolutely no fking clue my Mancunian chum and are making a dick of yourself. Seriously.

And this is where it starts.

Instead of having an alternate point of view, your only response is "do one" and insult me.

Not for the first time, and I'm not the only one you've done it to, either.

Either answer the factual points I've made, or refrain from the personal insults, please.

[anonymous-user]

hornetrider said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Hmmm. We now know that Kenny didn't negotiate for the players - he approved of them to buy - buying was Commolli - sacked. Disagree on Suarez that it was instrumental in his sacking - if we were 4th/5th Kenny would still be in the job.

So he allowed Commolli to waste the money? Do you not think he should have said at somepoint WTF? As I said before he is was the manager, buck stops with him. I didnt say it was instrumental I said I think it contributed

Look at it like this, if you employed someone in a high up position and gave them your money to spend

They make a mistake - thats ok everyone does
They make another mistake - hmm slightly worrying but sure it wont be habit forming
They compound the second mistake causing your company to be linked with a racism case - really not very happy now but the fans wanted him as long as he performs in the cups and in the league we will forgive and forget

He didn't so they didn't

[2seas]

FellowPazzini said:

Raja said:

Kenny put himself and his ego first. The nerve of the man, flying out to confront the owners with a back me or sack me ultimatum. All about perspective.

Is this true? or was a case of we don't want to sack over a text message?

I can assure you Raja has absolutely 0 evidence to support his definitive statement.

[2seas]

phil_cardiff said:

10 Pence Short said:

phil_cardiff said:

10 Pence Short said:

2seas said:

Kenny prioritises his players and the fans above all else - to the detriment of his own image. Great man.

Is that what he did in 1991, when he walked out at the top of the league?

Is that what he did when he was dumped by Blackburn, sacked by Newcastle, then sacked by Celtic (taking them into a legal battle in the process), then sacked by Liverpool?

I'd argue on the evidence that Dalglish has little or no record of putting the fans and players above all else.

Firstly, my trolling friend, he left Liverpool in 1991 as he felt he was burned out and could not do justice to the fans and players as a manager.

Secondly, how do you equate being fired as not putting fans and players first? He clearly wanted to stay to put things right for the fans, players and himself.

Once again you evidence poor judgement.

Where were Liverpool in the league when Dalglish resigned?

What benefit did Dalglish perceive he was giving the fans and players of Celtic by attempting to take them to court for firing him?

1. What's that got to do with it? He left because he couldn't do his best for the club.

2. Perhaps he thought he'd been unfairly dismissed and was still the best man for the job? I don't know the ins and outs of the legal proceedings.

I opted to ignore captain troll.

Funny how when we talk about Kenny's experience and the things he's won the response is "that was an age ago and not relevant now". Yet when it suits their argument events from the past are suddenly more relevant than the MOST RECENT evidence.

Most recently Kenny has shown he's willing to back his players, knowing he himself would get crucified by the media. The fans love him and he has always treated them with respect and in turn earn't their respect.

[deadmau5]

10 Pence Short said:

hornetrider said:

10P, do us all a favour and do one on this point, you have absolutely no fking clue my Mancunian chum and are making a dick of yourself. Seriously.

And this is where it starts.

Instead of having an alternate point of view, your only response is "do one" and insult me.

Not for the first time, and I'm not the only one you've done it to, either.

Either answer the factual points I've made, or refrain from the personal insults, please.

You claim to be an United fan, yet; you have one post in the last five pages on the United thread, and even that was talking about a Liverpool player! Why are you so obsessed with LFC? You should return to the United thread to talk about all the players that you can't afford to buy this summer

[anonymous-user]

2seas said:

I opted to ignore captain troll.

Funny how when we talk about Kenny's experience and the things he's won the response is "that was an age ago and not relevant now". Yet when it suits their argument events from the past are suddenly more relevant than the MOST RECENT evidence.

Most recently Kenny has shown he's willing to back his players, knowing he himself would get crucified by the media. The fans love him and he has always treated them with respect and in turn earn't their respect.

I would be interested to know where his backing for AC was when he still wouldnt play the lad when Suarez was banned?

[10 Pence Short]

2Seas, I don't believe the fans of Newcastle or Celtic would agree with you. I don't agree with your statement that Dalglish has put the fans or players of clubs ahead of himself. To me, the evidence points squarely to the contrary.

[jammy_basturd]

Raja said:

Ha. What a joke! Deal with it. Dalglish wasn't good enough.

Who we replace him with is up to the owners. I'd rather it wasn't Pardew etc but that doesn't mean Dalglish shouldn't have gone. I'm glad he's gone - relic from the past who believed that winning a Carling Cup would somehow offset failing to compete for top 4. 120 million wasted in less than 6 months, all of whom were players he wanted.

Time for a fresh start.

What a cop out.

All negativity and no ideas of your own. Football teams need your kind of support like John Terry needs another criminal court case.

[hornetrider]

In other news - the medal thief has been shown the door

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18101799